Absolute truth eh...

Nothing in this life is an absolute truth. Think about it very carefully before you respond.


Now for the rest of this.

I don't claim to know a greater power exists, I only reason that IF the said power does exist, then IT MUST be responsible for those acts, as there is no other deductive and logical means to its existence. And I don't communicate with said power.

I tried reading the bible, and its a book filled with wonderful stories about the coming of age, and learning from ones mistakes. All with great intentions, but its not absolute, nothing is, especially the "book of god" compiled by ordinary men.

Faith in-oneself is a bit different than the type of faith I was refferring too, but you know that already I follow my instincts. I do not deny that I haven't done everything in life on my own; however, nor will I state "that it was God's destiny for me" for thing to happen the way they did.

We all have phantom communities, built upon by our parents, grandparents, mentors, etc. They are the real voices of reason. We think about an action, or a choice and think "what would aunt jenny do?" Or "what would my parents think of me?" Those of you who have decided to read the bible and believe in it, and put YOUR faith in God, are not speaking to you per se, but rather you have incorporated that being into your phantom community.

Ok, lets see where this gets taken.

Indeed. Thus I present you with a dilemma of Orwellian type (a la 1984):

I present to you a known absolute truth.


2 + 2 = 4


Does that not disprove that nothing in this life is an absolute truth?

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Not quite. Only what you have been told about what "2" symbolizes can only be a representative establishment of itself and that "4" is infact a reproducable element of the inclusion of "2".

All that aside, mathmatics are quite far from the point I'm attempting to make.

I disagree.

It's all the point.

You will pull apart the symbols, but I say to you, I know full well you know what it represents, though your knowledge of representation is irrelevant, I call to attention the simple mathematical fact.

Two plus two will always be four.

This is an absolute truth. This argument must be first established one way or another before the rest of the debate can continue.

Yes, that is an absolute truth...I will never argue mathmatics, trust me, its not my strong suit :P

Although FWIW, 2 plus 2 in certain context could be 22. Just a note

Indeed, but it would not be plus in our 'representation' being English, it would be "two AND two" :P But thats off topic :P

Anyway, I want to finish this, but I'ts 3:22AM here and I gotta be at work at 7AM X_X

You're an intelegent guy, later!

2+2= 10

1 2 3 10 11 12 13 20 21 22 23 30


2+2=1

2 raindrops + 2 raindrops = 1 big raindrop


2+2=0

photons + antiphotons = 0 photons.

Hmm. I think I can help you out here, but first, tell me, do you have any children?

You're nitpicking the representation, not the truth of the fact 2+2=4.

I hope your kid doesnt answer questions on his quizzes like that.

(assuming male kid, so I write "he")

"So, mini-honegod, if you take two blocks and add it to your bucket, that already had two blocks in it, how many blocks do you have in the bucket?"

"Twenty-two, one big one, and zero"

Twenty years later, he's at a job writing code, and since he can't understand why it doesn't work at all, he drives home frustrated, hoping to transverse the four mile journey in zero miles, by going two miles then negative two miles to save gas.

This plan fails and he ends up on the other side of the country, and keeps driving till he sees he only has two gallons of gas left. So he goes to the gas station to completely fill up his 22 gallon tank by adding two gallons, then ignoring the low gas light on his way home.

Indeed!

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Wow, YZF, you are much more close minded than I ever gave you credit for.
Regarding Phantom Communities (in the subjective nature of violentization) Per PhD Tom Mahoney:
"Phantom Communities are a hidden source of emotion in man, when you "talk" to yourself, you consult your phantom community. Violent actors act violently, not because they are mentally ill, or come from violent subcultures or are brain damaged or have low self esteem or are under the control of demons, but because they have different phantom communiities than the rest of us. Phantom Communities provide moral support for self images and allow us to make decisions that would be acceptable in our own community.

So what I'm trying to show you YZF is that these are not REAL communities, they are percieved! They are your conscious and subconscious which help you choose between right or wrong, well not you, you have already given up the ability to think for yourself and decided to take everything you have read in the gospel, well...as gospel. But for the rest of us who still question the world at large and everything around us, in the search of knowledge, rely on what our instincts tell us in order to draw logical conclusions from the facts presented to us.


Oh, and I must ask, when was the last time Jesus Christ came to you and visited over a cup 'o joe to discuss your needs so that he could pass them on to the big man upstairs? Was he there yesterday? Because I'll tell you what, there wasn't a single starbucks open anywhere.

Wow, there you go again, very eloquent response.

Don't you say below that the human reason doesn't go there? Way to be a hypocrite!

Wow, no kidding?! You mean I can't understand everything in the world and explain it!? Crap?! Whatever will I do with myself?!

Now, I ask you the same questions...EXPLAIN THOROUGHLY how the universe exists and "because God created it" is not a valid response.

Can you explain vividly what happens after death? No, you can't. You can only reason to the best of your knowledge from what you have read in the bible.

Just as I live a life of uncertainty, so do you. When you think about, and I mean really think about it, you will realize we have much more in common than you see.


oh, would you mind answering this question for me:

Anyone see anything wrong with this statement?

I’m not familiar with this guy’s work but from reading the quote above I can see that he’s pretty short sighted. Claiming that people act differently because of different “phantom communities” and not because of other factors is pretty flimsy. What makes one’s phantom community different from another’s? The very same factors that he claims have no influence.

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Let's see how long this lasts.

On the contrary, I think it's hilarious, tho, on the level that it is believed, sad.

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Wrong. People make choices. People weigh their options then make a decision. People do not 'snap'. The significant experiences which make people dangerous, violent crimnals do not occur all at once, but occur gradually over time. Perople are what they are as a result of the social experiences they have undergone in their lives. Dr. Lonnie Athens (look it up) explained quantitative research V. Qualitative research "Violent acts are not explosions...They are decisions"

Even St. Augustine-17 centuries ago wrote about the subject "The Confessions"
Sin/Crime is a 5 step process
1. The mind conceives an action (Fantasy)
2. Which is then referred to the senses
3. Individual then considers the possible consequences
4. Then decides to commit the sin (crime)
5. Rationalizes the sin (crime).

Few things are as they seems, and few things are as simple as you lead yourself to believe.

I was going to say nothing, but we don't want to start the math arguement again.