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Old 10-31-2008, 09:51 AM
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Archeologist finds 3,000-year old Hebrew text

An Israeli archaeologist has discovered what he says is the earliest-known Hebrew text, found on a shard of pottery that dates to the time of King David from the Old Testament, about 3,000 years ago.



The shard -- or ostracon -- contains five lines of text divided by black lines.
1 of 2 Professor Yosef Garfinkel of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem says the inscribed pottery shard -- known as an ostracon -- was found during excavations of a fortress from the 10th century BC.

Carbon dating of the ostracon, along with pottery analysis, dates the inscription to time of King David, about a millennium earlier than the famous Dead Sea Scrolls, the university said.

The shard contains five lines of text divided by black lines and measures 15 by 15 centimeters, or about 6 inches square.

Archaeologists have yet to decipher the text, but initial interpretation indicates it formed part of a letter and contains the roots of the words "judge," "slave," and "king," according to the university. That may indicate it was a legal text, which archaeologists say would provide insights into Hebrew law, society, and beliefs.

The researchers say the text was clearly written by a trained scribe.

The shard was discovered at the Elah Fortress in Khirbet Qeiyafa, about 20 miles southwest of Jerusalem. The fortress, measuring 2.3 hectares (about 5.7 acres), is the earliest-known fortified city of the biblical period in Israel.

Excavations began there in June. So far, just four percent of the site has been excavated, the university said.

Because the ostracon is similar to that found in other Israelite settlements, and because no pig bones were found at the site, archaeologists say the site was likely part of the Kingdom of Judea. Jewish dietary laws forbid the eating of pork.

Among the artifacts found at the site are more than 100 jar handles bearing distinct impressions which may indicate a link to royal vessels, the university said. Such a large quantity found in such a small area is "unprecedented," the university said.

The site of Khirbet Qeiyafa is located near the place where the Bible describes the battle between David and Goliath -- the Elah Valley, which shares its name with the fortress.

Garfinkel said it is the only site in Israel in which to investigate King David.

"The chronology and geography of Khirbet Qeiyafa create a unique meeting point between the mythology, history, historiography and archaeology of King David," he said.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are the earliest-known copies of the Bible, some dating back about 2,000 years.

It is widely believed that the first set of Dead Sea Scrolls was discovered in 1947 by a Bedouin shepherd who ventured into a cave in the Judean Desert in search of a lost sheep or goat.

The texts, written on crumbling parchment and papyrus, were found wrapped in linen inside earthenware

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Old 10-31-2008, 11:26 AM
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ur biased.... admit it.

let's talk about fossils and such.....
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:34 AM
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Lets talk about the fallacy of literal genesis, based on the fact that asexual lizards could not of been on the ark.
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I understand that the "meatasaurus'" were eating tofu and refried beans during their stay on the Ark.

How's is it that animal didn't suffer some serious genetic ailments as a result of inbreeding?

Bad enough that Noah and his family were banging each other....
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interesting...more and more of these discoveries validate the Bible as the only reputable text of it's kind (sorry, Muslims)
FYI, Islam recognizes biblical scholars and profits, they just don't accept Jesus' salvation. These discoveries don't validate biblical text "as the only reputable text of it's kind" either, they just confirm the time line of the bible. If anything, the bible is the first major record of history, nothing more.

Sidenote: I would also like to point out that they had to use reverse extrapolation of known data points and carbon date the text in order to find it's age. This is all stuff you are firmly against as being a valid method of finding out information. Strange that you agree with the findings when it lines up with religious text. You can't pick and choose what findings you wish to agree with because they may or may not coincide with the biblical record.

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certainly the rate of mutation greatly accelerated with the re-truncation of the gene pool after the Flood...and that is in fact recorded in Genesis 11
Is that a scientific "fact" or a biblical "fact?"
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LOL, you aren't going to give up with that tired bullshit, are ya? shove an asexual lizard up your ass, superhack

the only "fallacy" here is you thinking you're in the faith
How long are you going to ignore it.

You continually cover your ears and shake your head with this conclusive evidence...."No it can't be true!"

Thats twice this week you've attacked me personally with name calling and crap....you should read the forum rules. Great role model of a Christian.

BTW, by telling me to shove a lizard up my ass, are you condoning sex with a lizard now? Isn't that a sin according to Leviticus 18? Are you now condoning sex with animals?

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you mean "prophets"? Muslims deny whatever parts of scripture don't suit their erroneous belief system, including the promises to Issac (which they ascribe to Ishmael)

and that's not enough? a 3500 year, peerless history or accuracy and veracity, the Book stands alone, and the Quran recognizes "the people of Book" as the enemy

but guess what? they lose...
Yeah, prophets, my mistake. Anyway, Muslims believe that the Jews and Christians distorted the text.

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3:78. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
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5:13. But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them — barring a few — ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind.
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2:58-59, 7:161-2. And remember it was said to them: "Dwell in this town and eat therein as ye wish, but say the word of humility and enter the gate in a posture of humility: We shall forgive you your faults; We shall increase (the portion of) those who do good." But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed.
Cup as half full or half empty if you ask me. Ultimately, one person's interpretation disagreeing with another person's interpretation.
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....BTW, by telling me to shove a lizard up my ass, are you condoning sex with a lizard now? Isn't that a sin according to Leviticus 18? Are you now condoning sex with animals?
Not a sin according to GOD since for a day or so, prior to Eve, Adam was banging it out with animals.

If it's a sin that implies that the "Almighty" made a mistake.....
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Not a sin according to GOD since for a day or so, prior to Eve, Adam was banging it out with animals.

If it's a sin that implies that the "Almighty" made a mistake.....
I have heard that, when Eve took her first bath in the ocean, thats how the smell got in the fish.

But I dont think that Adam was banging animals. He was probably lonely watching the animals do their thing, tired of Pamala Handerson, thus Adam pleading with God for some.
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According to Hebrew tradition, even Adam, the first human being, is confused when his Creator brings him the animals. In Genesis Adam only gives these creatures names. Yet God's whole purpose in creating the beasts, according to the second creation account (Gen. 2), is "to make a helper (Hebrew ezer, denoting a companion or partner) fit for (Adam)," which Adam nonetheless fails to find. In rabbinic sources we are told the lengths to which Adam goes to find the right helper: he couples with each female animal, then complains to God, "Every creature but me has a proper mate!" It is only then that God, through trial and error (Adam's first wife Lilith leaves him, and the first Eve is rejected by Adam), creates a fit companion.

Adam, being the first human was not born, but created by God. God then decides that Adam needs a mate, so He takes a rib from Adam and creates Eve. Why God chose to use a rib from Adam to create Eve is not clear as God didn’t need anything to create Adam. But the point here is Eve was created by God resulting in two supernaturally created beings, therefore they were not related as you and I would normally think.

Incest did occur with Adam and Eve's children as would be expected in order to start to populate the earth, this was allowed by God up until the time of Moses.
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