Difference between Science and Faith.

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Who are a victim of faith?

He who believes God is with him but has no way of establishing the truth of the matter. In a way, believers, especially the evangelical type, are salesman: they (a) create a need for their product in convincing people they have a problem. And (b) they show why their product is the ideal cure, and that (c) brand(s) X(other faiths and religions) are not as good as theirs!

We will never fully understand the universe and I'm sure if you ask someone who study's some part of the universe they'll say the same thing. Every answer we get just leads to more questions. What these people aim for is a better understanding of the universe. Granted there will be some in that group that think they are hot shit and think they know everything, but every group of people has a few of those types mixed in.

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So any assertation of thought and trying to comprehend the universe means man is at the centre of the universe, according to you?

As opposed to the church preaching Man is the master of all animals, and the Earth is the centre of the universe?

Sounds more like you're running it through your persecution filter, then railing against a perceived slight that exists only in your mind.

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This makes one a victim how exactly?

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Let's see how long this lasts.

For starters, we can say;

a victim of guessing

or a victim of fear

how is the hiding god put upon by being ignored ?

if any fool could look and WATCH him pushing the sun up over the horizon, investigating how the sun magically rises ON ITS OWN would be absurd indeed.

but he's hiding, so we CAN'T just shout "hey god, what are you standing on when you push the sun up in the morning ?"

I see no reason to ask YOU.
you haven't gone and looked.

Is guessing exclusive to faith? If not then what is relevance of linking the two?

Also, what are the averse effects of guessing? At this point it seems to be on par with being a victim of typing or a victim reading.

The problem with this statement is that is suggests that all those with faith live in fear, and those without it do not.

Perhaps we need to redefine the word victim?

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Let's see how long this lasts.

no hope.

in god all things are known or unknowable, set, fixed, immutable.

as opposed to every question being askable, with the hope of finding an answer.

the christian "impossible" becomes "don't know how", with all the fun of looking.

I thought up some more;
victims of religion. ha.

Guessing and fear is the attribute of faith. 'Am i going to heaven? Guess so." Which is no way the same as "Am I going to get laid? Guess so."

The dumber you are, the more absolutely certain that there is a god, and you also 'know better' than to allow your mind to be receptive to the thought that there is no god, or try to disprove god when new evidence suggest 'no god'. Religion might and can make you dumber.


That isn't a problem from where I am standing.

careful here....the absence of fear does not automatically equal the presence of more knowledge, or even of correct knowledge. Humans only fear what they know of, if you dont know that there is something to fear, why would you fear it?

Curious, what are your personal feelings about death? Does it scare you? Where do you feel you will go after death?

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

Consider a trusting child, unafraid of heights, strangers, etc. It's not that the child is more wise that his or her more cautious counterparts, but simply naive.

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if I choose the stupid child to shame the smart kid does that make me a good father ?

dragging the smart down to the level of the stupid is EVIL.

boosting the stupid to the highest that they can reach, and letting them be proud of reaching that heighth is good.

Someone called back to you saying there is a hidden land mine near the path you are traveling on. Was it hear say? How did they know about it? Do they know where? Why not put a marker near the bomb? How many times must you cross near the danger until you relax and realize there is nothing of relevant danger?
This type of danger will not go away until ample tests are administered and the path becomes safe again.
Many tests point that there isn't a god. You may walk with no fear of your soul for you don't have one.

I haven't faced death to state I am scared or not. I think there isn't anything beyond death and to worry about death is folly. It's coming. I rather see it later but not my problem to worry about. Maybe my surviving family.