Failing Jesus

I really like to get back into debating religion. Maybe I can entertain a few people or perhaps make their minds work.

Today's topic is failing Jesus. Why do I say Failing Jesus? Well, I will explain.


Here from John:
22 At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; 23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. 24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26 “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 “I and the Father are one.”

The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.

Jesus basically ducked away from his stone throwing audience like it actually hurt. Some God. But that’s not the point. Jesus himself was unable to convince people outside of his clique. Which to say, he wasn't any good at convincing people. Not really god like if you ask me. He was a loser. Sorry but true.

God never made sense then...never made sense now. And Jesus taught at ground zero...face to face....and none, outside of his disciples, understood jesus. Jesus failed at God teaching. Why? Jesus was man.

Therefore, God never gave a shit to the people at that time. If he did, Jesus would have save souls.

Whether Jesus is God or had god like powers, proof is in the pudding that Jesus didn’t have god like awareness nor guidance. Definitely not power of persuading. Maybe Jesus likes rocks being thrown at him or made fun of, but for Jesus to waste his time speaking at this particular location just so his words can be recorded for the future is telling of God’s empty powers.

lol never heard of this one. Never heard of a girl ragging for 24/7 for that matter. God's finger works wonders? How'd they know it stopped? Did they peer into her vagina? Dumb

simple. Remember, the writting of this event happen many years later. So what other reasons did Jesus go there than to preach about how he is God? especially if he knew no one would believe him.

I say, why did Jesus go there anyway? To actually try and convince to the masses that he was indeed god, jesus failed and got pelted.

so the only way for a person to understand the words of jesus is for god to open their eyes.

jesus did NOT do any eye opening, so jesus was not god.


so unless jesus did NOT want to spread the Word to everybody he and the father were NOT one.

I perceived power going out from Me....
your faith has made you well.

totally interesting, the power given to jesus was TAKEN from him AGAINST HIS WILL by a human female.

that puts me in mind of samson and his hair.

hey, and samson ALSO HAD TO DIE A BLOODY DEATH AFTER BEING TORTURED.

of course samson never RAN AWAY from a crowd of people armed with stones, so the parallel is not exact.

Jesus is God and God is omnipotent, right? This means that Jesus spoke knowing that His words would fall on deaf ears. Having such foreknowledge and yet speaking anyway implies that there was another purpose behind His words.

Suggesting that the Almighty failed in anyway is silly. He must merely think it and it would be so. If something did not happen, it is because He did not want it to.

__________________
Let's see how long this lasts.

Right! I mean that is Jesus himself who was up there talking to these poeple! Who else better can convince Christianity if it isn't the founder? If Jesus can't then Christianity fails.

This pulled out of your butt for moses beg the differ.

but the only ones who CAN "see" him are those ALREADY CHOSEN for 'salvation'.

so this bloody woman, who had enough faith to steal jesus' superpower for her own benefit, was SHE "saved" ? was her faith great enough to put her at the forfront of those who gathered the "chosen" into christs church ?

or did she just disappear back into the faceless, cursed to hell, crowd ?

And there was a lot of touching going on during jesus' trials. How many people with faith touched him as he passed by with no results?

Surely the bleeding girl knows the real results. No one will doubt a woman's bleeding history for who would actually want to look?

I wouldn't have wasted my time touching jesus if my vagina bleedith. I would have touched him to save mankind. She was selfish.

so jesus preaching to the multitude seems, futile, since the exact same effect as far as showing the flag to the chosen few could have been equally fulfilled by private meetings, like the post sacrifice church did it.

what other function than causing the church to be noticed by the people who were garunteed to HATE it ?

the bible DOES say that the "worldly", those unchosen and so cursed, WILL activly hate the saved for being saved.

howcome they even KNOW about the saved ?


it sounds like jesus should have been TAUNTING the unsaved masses thronging to hear him speak, to get them riled up enough to CARE enough about the saved to hate them, as they MUST per gods plan.

for example telling jokes about the unsaved so that only the saved could see the point, parables.

Right! But the word of mouth, of touching jesus will heal, never took off because it never worked. Evident of lack of participants during and after the trail of Jesus. You don't read about masses of people straining to touch the REAL DEAL and jesus healing masses by the thousands as his life is snuffed out in a crescendo. Only evidence was People generally got annoyed by his holy guilt trip and was happy to rid this man, whom called himself God, die.

since god can't screw up all results are intended for his delight.

including hell.

since the cursed have NO choice they can do NOTHING to deserve hell.

the ONLY way god could NOT delight in hell is if he COULD screw up, allowing evil to be UNINTENDED.

What did you expect? It wasn't football season. people all around heard about this gentle healing dude and wanted to listen to what Jesus said. Not like they had other things to do and wanted to see a magic show. Since jesus voice wasn't amplified, and spoke in parables, not many people walked away satisfied. Why I said that is noticed the Jesus crowds dwindled into a very tiny stream to only his family and disciples near the end of his life on Earth. The honeymoon was over and people got fed up with him.

Interesting to note that some on his own people wasn't convinced of this. We learn about the doubting Thomas and of course our friend, Judas. And where in the world did you dig up this information about jesus healing the whole entire region? Sounds like a story for hopefuls. HA! Next thing they'll feed you that the oranges grew to the size of basketballs.

But it wasn't. And remember even the curing disease in the whole entire region wasn't mentioned in a few short words. Which i am sure had room for the bible. Like I just did.. In 7 words.