the Golden Calf

honegod · #1 12-27-2006, 04:41 AM

1 the hebrew slaves fled egypt following the fire tower of god

2 god killed two priests for using the wrong fire.

so there is a holy flame, a fire of god.

3 the hebrews put a LOT of Gold into the flame and out comes a Golden Calf.

4 the jews assume it was god who built the Calf and fall to worshipping the MIRACULOUS calf that formed by itself IN GODS HOLY FIRE.

oops.

if god didn't want them to worship a calf why did he GIVE them one so ostentatiously ?

if them tempting him with the gold was offensive, making all that gold turn into lead and run into the ground would have made the point to a bunch of jews, yes ?

bx7 · #2 12-27-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by honegod

1 the hebrew slaves fled egypt following the fire tower of god

2 god killed two priests for using the wrong fire.

so there is a holy flame, a fire of god.

3 the hebrews put a LOT of Gold into the flame and out comes a Golden Calf.

4 the jews assume it was god who built the Calf and fall to worshipping the MIRACULOUS calf that formed by itself IN GODS HOLY FIRE.

oops.

if god didn't want them to worship a calf why did he GIVE them one so ostentatiously ?

if them tempting him with the gold was offensive, making all that gold turn into lead and run into the ground would have made the point to a bunch of jews, yes ?

Which is your favorite death metal band?

honegod · #3 12-27-2006, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bx7

Which is your favorite death metal band?

none, really, I tend more to industrial, Ministry leaps to mind

or to the roots, Black Sabbath.

death metal is too middle of the road.

I just downloaded The March of the Wooden Soldiers from Babes in Toyland, excellent

followed it with War Pigs, then 'The Bells {of christmas}' by Savatage.

I test listened to some 'evanescence' I ripped for the 12 year olds new MP3 player, checking the quality of the encoding level I chose, I think it's supposed to sound like that.

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she's on her own with the usher CD.

honegod · #4 12-27-2006, 06:24 AM

shucks, you've got me trying to remember where I last saw the Glorious 9th by Ludwig Van, the Ormandy, Phillydelthia Philharmonic, Mormon Tabernacle Choir version.

aznpoopy · #5 12-28-2006, 04:05 PM

i don't remember the making of the golden calf in of itself to be a miracle.

i always thought aaron forged it.

czarofzar · #6 12-28-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by honegod

1 the hebrew slaves fled egypt following the fire tower of god

2 god killed two priests for using the wrong fire.

so there is a holy flame, a fire of god.

3 the hebrews put a LOT of Gold into the flame and out comes a Golden Calf.

4 the jews assume it was god who built the Calf and fall to worshipping the MIRACULOUS calf that formed by itself IN GODS HOLY FIRE.

oops.

if god didn't want them to worship a calf why did he GIVE them one so ostentatiously ?

if them tempting him with the gold was offensive, making all that gold turn into lead and run into the ground would have made the point to a bunch of jews, yes ?

Good read. So are you implying that Moses was an agent for Egypt? He fucking sets up the slaves in a mountain somewhere and gets them ambushed?.

No word from Egypt yet about God's attack on it's nation during moses time.
Appearently, an organized nation never reported of suffering from a man named moses.

honegod · #7 12-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Exod.32

24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.

czarofzar · #8 12-28-2006, 05:22 PM

dusting off bible......

czarofzar · #9 12-28-2006, 05:36 PM

Yeah. that good old black magic...

Moses somehow had a hand in the orchestrated genecide. Ran out of food?

czarofzar · #10 12-28-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yzf-r1

genocide?

the world hasn't seen anything yet...men will die like flies

why is that frightening to you?

aznpoopy · #11 12-28-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by honegod

Exod.32

24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.

dusted off my KJV

exodus 32:4

"And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, "This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt."

czarofzar · #12 12-28-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by yzf-r1

genocide?

the world hasn't seen anything yet...men will die like flies

Then what is the relevancy of this statement? How did that apply to the genecide of moses people?

And what do you think of the profound differences of the Honegod's and Poops bible quotes? There is no doubt what was revealed here. One's interpretation of god magic, other was man made. We just wont know whos right and which bible is correct.

Honegod was right. God may be clear but the fate of man is doom.

czarofzar · #13 12-28-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yzf-r1

it's GENOCIDE

Exodus 32, complete context....READ before you post stupid comments, poop mis-referenced the verse he quoted

Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt."

When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

"I have seen these people," the LORD said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation."

But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. "O LORD," he said, "why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say, 'It was with evil intent that he brought them out, to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth'? Turn from your fierce anger; relent and do not bring disaster on your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.' " Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back. The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

When Joshua heard the noise of the people shouting, he said to Moses, "There is the sound of war in the camp."

Moses replied:

"It is not the sound of victory,
it is not the sound of defeat;
it is the sound of singing that I hear."

When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf they had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

He said to Aaron, "What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?"

"Do not be angry, my lord," Aaron answered. "You know how prone these people are to evil. They said to me, 'Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don't know what has happened to him.' So I told them, 'Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.' Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!"

Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, "Whoever is for the LORD, come to me." And all the Levites rallied to him.

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."

I stopped after Exodus 32, the story about genecide. I would have had read more, but whatever you offer after that verse would likely be full of bias rhetoric fluff.

I offer fact with which we both witnessed the two genuine approach to a biblical line.

czarofzar · #14 12-28-2006, 09:44 PM

i see. I fucked up

rtryb2200 · #15 12-28-2006, 10:01 PM

One of the worst blasphemies in all of the Bible was the sin of the Golden Calf. The Jewish people just received the Ten Commandments...and what did many of them do? They demanded that Aaron the High Priest create a Golden Calf for the Jews to worship as a god. Using the Messianic Jewish reasoning, we could ask, "But weren't the worshippers of the Golden Calf Jewish?" There is no doubt that the worshippers of the Golden Calf were Jewish, but there is equally no doubt that the worshippers of the Golden Calf were in violation of the Ten Commandments. Is there anyone advocating for "Jews for Paganism?" The same argument holds for Jesus and the Apostles. Just because they may have been born Jewish, does not make their beliefs correct or Jewish.