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Old 07-26-2008, 10:39 PM
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May I suggest a couple solar panels on the roof to charge a seperate battery used to run the Hydrogen cell. Also you may need a relay that can support more current. I'm guessing that thing is drawing like 20 amps.
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And unless you are using the hydrogen and oxygen gas to get a more complete burn, rather than as free fuel, you are not going to gain any mileage unless you have a seperate battery not charged by the alternator.
it is supposed to work by enabling much leaner a/f ratios without knock than otherwise possible

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_enhancement

fro the wiki - wired article on truckers using it with diesel
http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2005/11/69529

from that article - a vendor specializing in this stuff that doesn't look super shady
http://www.chechfi.ca/index.html
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But to run leaner he would need at least a fuel computer and his only makes 15 liters an hour. Don't know the size of his engine but that's only 20 crank rotations on a 1.5L honda. Even if the engine only draws one percent of it's output each crank rotation it would only last 200 seconds at idle. I would expect it to take a couple hundred liters per hour to have any kind of positive effect. I would really like to see this work but there is a reason car makers aren't using this technology yet. I'm guessing he is going to use more gas from the extra load on the alternator. I'm not trying to be negative as I hope you prove me wrong, I'm just trying to be realistic.
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not at all. i've never tried it and i have no idea if it really works.

i just thought the links could add to the knowledge base of the thread.
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Does anyone know what the optimal hydrogen to air ratio is? I could not find it and I googled.
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http://www.etvcanada.com/F/data/PDF_CHEC.pdf

"Published data show that hydrogen burns nearly one order of magnitude faster than petroleum fuels, thus approaching ideal thermodynamic cycle; and hydrogen has a shorter flame quench distance, allowing flames to travel closer to the cold zones, thus improving combustion. These hydrogen properties improve engine performance and emissions."
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Its not that the car is running on hydrogen, although it's possible. The hydrogen allows more of the gas being injected to burn, which means you can use less (sometimes alot less) gas to get the same power.
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Its not that the car is running on hydrogen, although it's possible. The hydrogen allows more of the gas being injected to burn, which means you can use less (sometimes alot less) gas to get the same power.
I competely understand that it's just the hydrogen to air ratio I'm worried about. At a ratio of 100 air to 1 hydrogen your rig can support 2 minutes and 40 seconds of run time at 750 rpms.
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I competely understand that it's just the hydrogen to air ratio I'm worried about. At a ratio of 100 air to 1 hydrogen your rig can support 2 minutes and 40 seconds of run time at 750 rpms.
That's if you stored the hydogen. This is free flowing. So when you increase the volatage, you get more HHO.
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I competely understand that it's just the hydrogen to air ratio I'm worried about. At a ratio of 100 air to 1 hydrogen your rig can support 2 minutes and 40 seconds of run time at 750 rpms.
its not a full 15L ready to use, it produces a fixed amount at a constant rate. The gas that does go down the intake will help the fuel to burn better. Its a fact that gas doesn't burn at 100% efficiency in a car motor. This little bit of gas in each chamber will boost it from 75% to 85%. Of coarse I'm guessing at numbers but you get the idea.
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I understand that but the gas you are injecting is minimal. What is the displacemant of the engine you are using this system on?
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"Published data show that hydrogen burns nearly one order of magnitude faster than petroleum fuels, thus approaching ideal thermodynamic cycle; and hydrogen has a shorter flame quench distance, allowing flames to travel closer to the cold zones, thus improving combustion. These hydrogen properties improve engine performance and emissions."
If that is true, the rotary could benefit a lot from that :P

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If that is true, the rotary could benefit a lot from that :P

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