islam isn't as 'nazi' as people think

and personally i feel as though its just a follow up to all the previous books written as a result of God sending an angel to enlighten a given prophet about whats what:

kinda interesting

It could be because they are a derivative of Judaism.

But no, it always has to be Satan with you.

Give people some credit, I think plenty of them are wicked without Satan's intervention.

After all, he's just one guy, he can't be in Guantanamo, Iraq, and Arcata all at the same time. Even God doesn't pull hat tricks like that.

the beautiful irony of this is: lies have made their way into the religious books, causing contradictions and logical errors, and thus turning people off from ALL relgion has to say, not just the worthlessness weaved within the truth. Even Jesus' parables foretold that, but peopel are so confused and conflicted, they just go right back to acting like "self-righteous pharisees" The bible, torah, quran, to some degree are all perverted by man at this point and from contstant translation and loss of meaning through translation. Jesus himself knew it would happen. THIS is why - Creation - keep having to send signs and enlighten more nad more people. Do you think the qur'an was the last elightenment? People are being enlightened all the time! But they are "the seeds that grow among weeds" and no one listens to them. They get mocked for bringing forth such simple truths like PEACE, LOVE, RESPECT, INTELLECT, LOGIC and the thirst for KNOWLEDGE: what would you call those people YZF? dirty hippies? fundamentalist liberals? when will the fingerpointing and name calling end? When will people open their minds? The most hilarious thing about it is, everyone knows those simple things, beyond all the dogma, ritual and scare tactics, WORK. Period. Creation didnt come this far based on the crap we lie to each other about. The God of creation IS evolution itself, not against it.

In one breath you complain about how the koran is all about world domination and subjigation of women, the next you complain about how it's all copied from the bible... do you not see the irony?

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Do we have any Muslims here? I would seriously enjoy a logical/theological discussion on the tenets and foundations of the faith. And please, no pretenders. I'd rather talk to a Jihadist then some wishy washy prayer mumbler.

Heck, how about observant orthodox Jews? Give me some Talmud and I"ll give you some Tanakh.

Assuming they were correct to begin with. After all, if the Quaran was a lie when it was given to Mohammed, perhaps the Bible was a lie when it was given to the Apostles.

And how was that scroll dated, pray tell?

And yet that still makes you wrong because C-14 has dated material back 9000 years.

You contend that the world is only 6000 years old.

You can't have it both ways, either C-14 is wrong always, or the world is older than 6000 years.

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Special Dispatch-Jihad & Terrorism Studies Project March 20, 2007 No. 1508

Islamist Website Instructs Mujahideen in Using Popular U.S. Web Forums to Foster Anti-War Sentiment among Americans

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In the past few months, Islamists engaged in "media jihad" have increased their efforts to expose as broad a Western audience as possible to their jihad films, which purport to document the growing success of the mujahideen in Iraq and Afghanistan. As part of this endeavor, they have posted jihad films on popular free video-sharing websites such as YouTube, LiveLeak, and Google Video, hoping that such films will tip public opinion in the West against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan * thus pressuring Western governments to withdraw their troops from these countries.

As part of the campaign to foster anti-war sentiment among Westerners, and more specifically among Americans, a member of the Al-Mohajroon Islamist website with the username Al-Wathiq Billah instructed mujahideen in how to infiltrate popular American forums and to use them to distribute jihad films and spread disinformation about the war.

The following are excerpts 1)

"Raiding American Forums is Among the Most Important Means of Obtaining Victory in the Fierce Media War... and of Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American"

"There is no doubt, my brothers, that raiding American forums is among the most important means of obtaining victory in the fierce media war... and of influencing the views of the weak-minded American who pays his taxes so they will go to the infidel American army. This American is an idiot and does not [even] know where Iraq is... [It is therefore] mandatory for every electronic mujahid [to engage in this raiding]."

"It is better that you raid non-political forums such as music forums and trivia forums... which American people... favor... Define your target[ed forum]... and get to know it well... Post your contribution and do not get into... futile arguments..."

Indicate You Are an American

"Obviously, you have to register yourself using a purely American name... Choose an icon that indicates that you are an American, and place it next to your nickname [in the forum]."

"In my experience, the areas most visited in American forums... [are titled] 'Random Thoughts' and 'What's going on in your mind?'... [The former] takes priority in the American forums, and is highly popular. You should post your contribution there... This should include films of the mujahideen in Iraq, mujahideen publications in English, and images and films of the Americans' crimes, [such as] killing unarmed civilians in Iraq... etc."

"Invent Stories About American Soldiers You Have [Allegedly] Personally Known"

"Obviously, you should post your contribution... as an American... You should correspond with visitors to this forum, [bringing to their attention] the frustrating situation of their troops in Iraq... You should invent stories about American soldiers you have [allegedly] personally known (as classmates... or members in a club who played baseball and tennis with you) who were drafted to Iraq and then committed suicide while in service by hanging or shooting themselves..."

"Also, write using a sad tone, and tell them that you feel sorry for your [female] neighbor or co-worker who became addicted to alcohol or drugs... because her poor fiancé, a former soldier in Iraq, was paralyzed or [because] his legs were amputated... [Use any story] which will break their spirits, oh brave fighter for the sake of God..."

How to Make Americans Feel Frustrated With Their Government

"You should enter into debate or respond only if it is extremely necessary... Your concern should [only] be introducing topics which... will cause [them to feel] frustration and anger towards their government..., which will... render them hostile to Bush... and his Republican Party and make them feel they must vote ton bring the troops back from Iraq as soon as possible."

"Do not... discuss issues pertaining to Arabs or Muslims at all, whether negatively or positively... because this could be a trap for you... In addition, do not ask people to circulate the material [you have posted] in other forums... as these types of requests will expose you..."

Endnote: (1) http://www.mohajroon.com/vb/showthread.php?t=48233 .

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Amazing how born-agains act like the story of Christ - born of a virgin mother, adored by wise men, performer of miracles, died on a tree or cross, and ascending to the realm of the god(s) is something they invented...

It's a hero-story that predates Christianity by hundreds and even thousands of years. The Egyptians, Mesopotamians, ancient greeks, etc. all had similar tales from which the Christian alegory was plagerized, updated, repackaged, and sold ot the disenfranchised tired of Roman oppression and the corruption of local rabbis.

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amazing how people were 'aping' the bible thousands of years before Moses, eh? Must be Satanic premonition...

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naaw, just showing that you are RIGHT in saying that Islam apes Christianity.

they too consider infidels to be too stupid to be able to understand the truth and so need to have carefully crafted lies told to them so that their minds will walk the right path despite not knowing why they are walking that way.

our Christian 'leaders' have used that method to herd the flock for centuries, the Mohammedans have just discovered the usefulness of disinformation when the sword is inadequate.

What, and the OT doesn't have a plethora of examples of killing or enslaving the infidels?

Right. Nevermind written history, carved heiroglyphics, etc. provide direct evidence to prior hero myths with precisely the same plot...

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