Jesus Camp

While He did say that, it does not in any way change the point I made. Jesus was sent into a world in darkness. And no matter what he "also" said, the point remains that the world was indeed in darkness.


Logical is not even the issue--it takes more than logic to even consider the concept of creationism. And again, the fact remains that so few people, whether in biblical times or now, actually understand. Like I said, if creation was so inherently logical, then more people would believe without looking for proof. Well, thats my opinion anyways. Remember, parables were used as a method to conceal the true meaning from all but those who were supposed to get the message. Logic? No. Selection, yes.


Look, Mark, we can debate whether or not you have focused on C14 all day long, but it would be awfully easy to find examples of you specifically mentioning C14 in here. Not only that, but I only said you mentioned that there is a problem with carbon dating---you took it upon yourself to assume what exactly the problem was that I was thinking of. Tell you what--instead of snipping and clipping my post, lets revisit what I said in its entirety about carbon dating:

In other words, I was AGREEING with the many times you have talked about the incorrect concepts regarding dating ancient remains. And even then, here you go, telling me how right you are and how wrong I am--even though we are talking about the same thing! And for the record, you have talked about the problems with carbon dating. You even posted a link before, to debunk myths about it. And in that link, it was clearly stated that carbon dating produces no actual concrete age of an item, because the relationship between actual years and "radiocarbon years" is not fully understood. But its cool, if you need to argue with me for agreeing with your point of view, go ahead.

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

um, dude, it is not a jump--they are inextricably connected. we were talking about faith, and in christianity, you either take it all or you take nothing. You yourself have preached about how the entire bible is the Word, havent you? All the conversations and references to the "buffet method of religion", and suddenly you dont remember?

Lest you forget, in biblical times, these people were not scientists. What you today consider "obvious evidence" had no concrete explanation then--only FAITH.

sigh....

do I have to keep repeating this? why are you snipping my post yet again, just to argue a point with me THAT I DONT EVEN DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT??

Again, for the third time, take a look at the WHOLE post I made.

look, seriously, you seem like an intelligent guy, so why are you pulling this crap now? It is so plain in that post that I completely agreed with you about the common incorrect perceptions regarding carbon dating....so then, as a result of me agreeing with you, you once more argue the point? Man, did you go out drinking last night? Or did you just get done sniffing some glue now? READ THE POST, Mark, before you try to argue against what you THINK it says. That way, you wont make yourself look this foolish again.

if only you had taken the time to read what I wrote before getting your defenses up, you would have seen that you and I are on the same page on this. be honest and stop cherry-picking already

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

...and the reason you keep mentioning Darwinism is because you like to pretend that science hasn't advanced its understanding of evolution or biology since.

Same old, same old. you get disproven, then reintroduce the same argument months later...

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Specific chapters, yes, but a part of the same book, no? Is not Genesis directly linked to Matthew? Is it not altogether the same plan from the same God? The events during Jesus' time on Earth could not have happened if there was no earth created. And again, you missed the entire point about those miracles---I showed you how, in scripture, reference is made to other people performing miracles and driving out demons, but NOT doing God's work in the process. So, while you now want to get into the issue of how many witnessed Jesus healing someone, the fact remains that the act itself was not proof of God, since the bible talks about others doing the same things not for God.

Funny, once again, I already addressed this. And in order to do so, I did read your post. Clearly, I addressed your point. you were talking about how faith was not the only part of it. I showed you how faith is precisely that. You claimed that there is proof, I showed you how that "proof" requires faith to interpret it one way or the other. Dont sit there and tell me I am not reading your posts just because you didnt get the answer you wanted. Try being honest, Mark.

Oh, and I see you still did not address your errors in snipping my posts just to have a reason to argue. What about it? Nothing to say? you had plenty to say when you were snipping and clipping to serve your own purpose, even though I agreed with your assessment to begin with....I think you need to be big enough to admit such a thing.

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

I didnt call them the same, pal, I said they are linked. And they are. God uses various methods at different times to get one's attention. Plain and simple.

By the way--

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

Which I didnt sidetrack, Mark. Try using a little honesty. I addressed that point quite plainly, it is not my fault that you failed to comprehend it. Now, if you cannot just discuss things like an adult, perhaps you need to confine yourself to the kiddy pool. There is no reason whatsoever for the way you address people in here, I dont care what anyone did or didnt say to you. Certainly I was one of the worst in this place, and if I was able to get rid of that garbage, you have no excuse.

By the way, the original topic of this thread was NOT "evidence of creation". So, do tell, what in the world is it that makes you think you can discuss anything you choose off the main topic, but jump on anyone else if they say something you dont like? You really do need to get over yourself.

And while were at it, take note--thats three times now you have been asked to address your persistent attitude that was in error. it is also three times that you have ignored it. Ignoring your mistakes doesnt take them away.

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

Look, dude, this is an internet discussion forum. I dont give a damn one way or the other that you have a problem with people coming in here to discuss things. Thats what this place is. And contrary to your ridiculous attitude, no one needs your permission to post here. I am sorry that this disturbs you, but thats the fact, jack, so once again, get the hell over yourself. You dont make the rules in here, you are no more important or entitled to anything here than anyone else. So get off it. What I posted was related in a specific way, and I dont give a damn if you have a bug up your back side about that.

I am. I havent been anything but honest. You, on the other hand, three times over, are trying to argue with me on a point that I have repeatedly said I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT...and even then, you still dont have the balls or the decency to admit a mistake and simply apopogize. That is where you fail. Be a man already. And stop trying to pass off fault for your screwup onto someone else, as usual.

Again, do you know how to read? Seriously?

--the faith issue was NOT mine...it was being discussed between you and manntis already. So stop bullshitting. Its getting you nowhere.
--the issue about miracles was specifically to show that what you called "evidence" cannot be interpreted as such when it happens because you have the luxury of 2000 years of hindsight that those people did not have.

Tell you what--why dont you try being man enough to admit when you are shown to be wrong clear as day and stop looking to invent a mistake for someone else?

Irony, where art thou??

Look, this is ridiculous. You screw up threads all the time by going into a non-religious thread and bringing up God....I brought up a related religion point in a religion thread. Get the hell over yourself, and fast.

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

that did not involve me??? THIS PLACE INVOLVES ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO BE HERE. Someone needs to slap you back into reality, pal, you do not have any right or business thinking you get to determine who can be in here and who cannot. This isnt your forum. Get over yourself.

In either case, I was already involved in this thread and I certainly dont need your permission to post in it anytime I choose.

By the way, when do you apologize for all the threads you derail? Didnt think so.....

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

here marky comes..

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

I thought you might like that....

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"some people are like slinky,
their not realy good for much.
but you cant help but smile
when you see one tumbling down the stairs"

Half

Thats because its rated 'R', and too much for 'wittle marky' to handle.

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