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Old 01-13-2007, 09:52 PM
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Was Jesus an original or a copy?

Who knows. I think Jesus existed. But what bugs me about the Bible are the conflicts between the two authors, Matthew and Luke. And so I wonder if their story was made up.


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The below from http://www.bandoli.no/nooriginaljesus.htm

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The problem for Jesus is that all these deities are much older than him. You don't have to be very bright to see where the authors of the Gospels got their "devine inspiration" when they created the Jewish version of the popular God-Man/ World-Saviour of Antiquity.
The originality of Jesus

Who was the Son of the highest God, and the biggest healer in Antiquity? He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Hear and behold: former paralysed walked again, the blind could miraculously see again, and the deaf could listen and the mute speak after the Master's gentle touch! But he did not only heal the body, he also healed the soul. They called him Saviour and Redeemer, and he healed both rich and poor, men and women, young and old, slaves and free men, friends and enemies. In one occasion a paralysed man was brough to him in his bed, and took his bed and left walking after the Saviour had touched him. What was this Saviour's name?

… Asklepios.

Who was born by a mortal virgin mother and had a divine Father, and was known as the "Saviour of the world"? Before he was born his parents wandered to a bigger town, and prophets had foretold his birth and that he would be a king. This instigated a search for the infant Saviour by a leading figure who wanted to kill him. After growing up the Son of God was shown all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. He also walked on water and when he met his end his mother and his favorite disciple stood by him. He then tells his mother: "Do not cry, I'm going to heaven". When he dies he utter: "It is finished" and the earth trembles and darkness cover the land. Then he ascended to heaven, and his greatest achievement was to conquer death.

His name was of course...Hercules.

We all of course know the Redeemer who was no figure of pagan Greek polytheism. He was the true Saviour who wanted to help and save the sinful humans, by sacrificing himself. But he was willing to do this, out of love, pity and compassion for the humans.

His name:...Prometheus.


Now, who was the real Son of God, born by a mortal virgin mother, and often presented as the venerated newborn infant, or depicted riding a donkey? He healed the sick and did numerous wonders, among those making fine wine from plain water. He was killed but resurrected from the dead and became immortal. The followers of this God often ate a holy meal in a kind of sacramental union with the deity to achieve immortality after their death. One of this god's finest achievements was his death, his sacrifice, which delivers the whole human kind.

The God was the very popular Dionysos.

Who is the "Light of the World", the One, the God who defeated death? Born of a virgin mother, considered the first true King by the people. Who rose from the grave and ascended to heaven. He defeated death, and must be considered the single true God.

Of course the Egyptian Osiris!

Now, the real God often called the "Light of the world", "The good shepherd", "The lamb" and is "…the way, the truth, and the life". Identified with a cross. Who could that be?

Horus, (the son of Osiris).


The original "Light of the world" was the mediator between God and man and was born on the 25.th of December. Local shepherds witnessed his birth and gave him gifts. He had 12 disciples, and when his work was done on earth he gathered together to a last supper, and then ascended to heaven. At doomsday he will return to pass judgment on both the living and the dead. The righteous will go to heaven and the sinful will be killed in a giant fire. Sunday is his holyday, and this religion gave us the seven days of the week. His followers called each other "brothers" and their leaders "fathers". They practiced babtism and established a sacred meal ritual, where flesh and blood was symbolically consumed by initiates. Above earth was heaven, and below the dark hell with demons and the sinners.

The 'Light of the World' is of course the sungod Mithra.


Wise men were led to his birth by a star, and his conception was miraculous. After his birth the ruler in the area wanted him dead and started a hunt for the child. But his parents were warned by a heavenly messenger who told them to escape over the river with the holy child. Here, he was met by shepherds. The boy grew up and did many great deeds, and was the mediator between God and man.

His name: Krishna.

Who then, was the God whose mother was told by an angel that she would give birth to a holy child destined to be a Saviour? Even as a child he instructed the priests in the temple in religous matters, while his parents were looking for him. He started his religious career when he was ca 30 years of age, and surrounded himself with 12 disciples. One of the disciples is his favorite another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around talking in parables and metaphors. This God called himself "Son of Man" and was referred to as "Prophet", "Master" and "Lord". He did many great wonders and healed the sick, blind could see again and deaf hear.
He also walked on water. When one of his disciples tried to do the same, he started to sink - his faith was not strong enough.

We are here obviously talking about Buddha.

Our Saviour cannot be mistaken for any other. He performed countless miracles on earth, miracles well attested to by bystanders. He healed the sick and the crippled, restored sight to the blind, cast out demons, and even raised the dead! His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. While still a child, he exhibited extraordinary knowledge of religious scripture. He reformed the corrupt and worldly religions of his day. He was crucified, rose from the tomb and appeared to his disciples to prove to them his power over death, after which he ascended to Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. He was known as "the Son of God!" His message is of love and compassion.

We give you: Apollonius of Tyana*

And there is of course the God-man, the prophet, the founder of a great monotheistic religion that still exist today. He preached that there was only one true God, and his teachings focused on the eternal fight between good and evil. The teachings include the idea of the Saviour will wake the dead and pass judgment on all. The righteous ones goes to Paradise and the sinful straight to a burning Hell. The very word of Paradise stems from this religion. This semigod started his career in his early thirties, and had a following of disciples. As a band of monks they wandered around, preaching their religion. He was eventually killed and sent to heaven.

And he was the Persian Zarathustra.
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:25 PM
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wow, thought you had a hot date tonight.....must have been a change in plans since your girlfriend lie was exposed....oh well....we had a blast, thanks for asking! The saints pulled off a good win, and they didnt play their best at all, so now it's on to tomorrow, where we will see who wins the Seahawks-bears game. Then we'll know who they will play next week!

man it really must suck to be so sad that you have to make up a social life....
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:37 PM
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well then, its a good thing you let her air out at a sensible hour, isnt it??
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Old 01-14-2007, 04:33 AM
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Who knows. I think Jesus existed. But what bugs me about the Bible are the conflicts between the two authors, Matthew and Luke. And so I wonder if their story was made up.
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care to elaborate on that?
20 years. 20 years of you studying the bible and you have NO CLUE of what I am talking about?

Ok. I'll pretend you were used as a tool and were told to overlook this conflict.

Matthew said Jesus was born near the end of Herod’s reign. Meaning his birth was around 6-4 BC.

Luke tells us that Jesus was born around the time when the Roman governor Quirinus took a census in Judea. That would place his birth at 6-7 AD, ten years from the end of Herod's death!

I am going to use honegod's virtual time line model here

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the article is a bit misleading, but it is interesting to see similarities between 'saviors' in different religions/mythologies.

but they really twisted the myths to try to parallel the story of jesus.
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Frankly, I never heard of most of these guys the story told about. I am convinced that all the story's ever written about these people, including jesus, are misleading and is the author's point.
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:47 PM
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the correct time frame is about 4 BC, most scholars agree on this

the problem is not with the gospels, it is with "historians"
You mean 'your' scholars agree with it. The ones who would likely agree with your ignorant butt.

BTW, which historians? Anyone in particular? I want to know if you know what you are talking about.
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:59 PM
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because you are known to lie. You lie, you fry. And with your statement, you've already proven you never done any research on this matter.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:07 PM
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I don't lie, psycho jonnie just repeats accusations
I had time and read his accusations last night. Jesus Mark. Sometimes I really think you are just playing along. But then there is this nagging feeling of why you are pushing for loneliness hitting 40.

Are you socially worthless IRL as well?
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Sometimes I really think you are just playing along.
4 years or so ago, I had the same thought... but no one keeps this up for that long if they're not totally broken.

The saddest thing is that Mark doesn't have a single redeeming feature or quality that'd make it worthwhile to look past his religious insanity.
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4 years or so ago, I had the same thought... but no one keeps this up for that long if they're not totally broken.
yer kidding me. Mark has been around and doing the same thing for 4 years? Sounds like Mark needs a bigger brother to grab Mark's neck and shove him to the right path.

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The saddest thing is that Mark doesn't have a single redeeming feature or quality that'd make it worthwhile to look past his religious insanity.
Unfortunately, you are right. Mark is pretty shallow toward all human lifeforms. And no one will care enough to go toe to toe with him and would rather see him ride it out till his death.
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I don't lie, psycho jonnie just repeats accusations
ahem, accusations that your own words and actions prove to be correct, dumbass. Take yesterday, for example, you clearly admitted to the conversation about having no girlfriend, yet you had previously denied that conversation ever took place, even going as far as to wrongfully attack the credibility of someone that you could have helped closer to God! YOUR OWN WORDS are all that were used to make that accusation and to prove it, you retard, so when are you going to start telling some truth?? BE A MAN, not just another moron.

Another fine example just happened earlier today--you tried to cite a source that clearly states "we dont know what the geography was", and you used that to claim that you did in fact know that the continents were all one back then. That is how you fuck up--you make shit up and ASSume things to bolster your point. Well, MY point is, if even your half-ass-cracked website can say "we dont know", why do you have to lie and claim you do know? BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR, thats why. Not MY words--YOUR words prove it. Fuck you very much!!
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yer kidding me. Mark has been around and doing the same thing for 4 years? Sounds like Mark needs a bigger brother to grab Mark's neck and shove him to the right path.



Unfortunately, you are right. Mark is pretty shallow toward all human lifeforms. And no one will care enough to go toe to toe with him and would rather see him ride it out till his death.
um, well, many have speculated that marky has already had an older male in his family grab certain, well, other parts, of him....but I dont think that it helped in the manner youre talking about now...
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yer kidding me. Mark has been around and doing the same thing for 4 years?
Longer. Here's a dusty gem from 5/23/02...

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?...8&postcount=34

Has he changed at all in the last 5 years? Not that I can tell.
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so why are any of you here is the real question, why do you care?
No, the real question is, if we're all hell-bound degenerates who don't give a shit about what you have to say, why are you so fucking anxious to log right back in after being banned?!?

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