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Old 01-27-2006, 10:45 AM
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Priest could face trial for saying Jesus existed

An Italian judge heard arguments Friday on whether a small-town parish priest should stand trial for asserting that Jesus Christ existed.

The priest’s atheist accuser, Luigi Cascioli, says the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people for 2,000 years with a fable that Christ existed, and that the Rev. Enrico Righi violated two Italian laws by reasserting the claim.

Lawyers for Righi and Cascioli, old schoolmates, made their arguments in a brief, closed-door hearing before Judge Gaetano Mautone in Viterbo, north of Rome. They said they expected the judge to decide quickly.



Cascioli filed a criminal complaint in 2002 after Righi wrote in a parish bulletin that Jesus did indeed exist, and that he was born of a couple named Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.

Cascioli claims that Righi’s assertion constituted two crimes under Italian law: so-called “abuse of popular belief,” in which someone fraudulently deceives people; and “impersonation,” in which someone gains by attributing a false name to a person.

Church committing fraud?“The point is not to establish whether Jesus existed or not, but if there is a question of possible fraud,” Cascioli’s attorney, Mauro Fonzo, told reporters before the hearing.

Cascioli says the church has been gaining financially by “impersonating” as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

He has said he has little hope of the case succeeding in overwhelmingly Roman Catholic Italy, but that he is merely going through the necessary legal steps to reach the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to accuse the church of what he calls “religious racism.”

Righi, 76, has stressed substantial historical evidence — both Christian and non-Christian — of Jesus’ existence.

“Don Righi is innocent because he said and wrote what he has the duty to say and write,” Righi’s attorney, Severo Bruno, told reporters.

He said he told Mautone during the hearing that Righi was not asserting a historical fact when he wrote of Jesus’ existence, but rather “an expression of theological principles.”

“When Don Righi spoke about Christ’s humanity ... he was affirming that he needs to be considered as a man. What his name is, where he comes from or who his parents are is secondary,” he said.

Fonza said he countered that there have long been questions of Christ’s existence and that the matter warranted discussion in the court.

“When somebody states a wrong fact, abusing the ignorance of people, and gains from that, that is one of the gravest crimes,” Cascioli told reporters.

Righi’s brother, Luigi Righi, attended the hearing and said his brother was “serene but bitter.”
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WTF??? looks like the rest of the worlds following in America's foot steps of suing people over stupid shit, eh?
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It needs to go to trial.
I want the evidence of Jesus shown in court.
Lets make it a legal matter.

I mean... The church does'nt think its above the law does it?
Molesting little kids is one thing...
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Religon in China has been defanged.

They are more tolerant, but have mandated that writtings regarding jihad, revelations or anything that may note some sorta doomsday event must be omitted.

Muslims in China hang around whorehouses and are harmless.

They even mingle with visiting Jews.

Also, Asian countries tend to mix up religons. I met many people that were Christian and Buddhist or some other combo.....
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the church in western Europe is pretty much dead, has been for quite some time....atheistic evolutionary beliefs has alot to do with it....and America is headed down the same path, although it may not get to quite the same level of apostacy

meanwhile, the church in persecuted countries like China, Russia, and easter Europe is getting stronger, that's how it always works....the church thrives on persecution

thats good for Werstern Europe, that means they are wakeing up
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sums up the fate of western Europe perfectly....in fact the world dictator will arise from within the old Roman Empire, and the seat of his power will be Rome!
if that actually comes to pass, i'll be like whoa.
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globalism
the rise of the E.U. as the world political and economic power
the internet driven, cashless society
unrest in the middle east, focused on Israel
microtechnology

all conspire to make 666 a certain future reality
So that's your theory for the end of the world?

We've stopped using cash, and switched to electronic funds! I better get my bottled water and bread ready and head for the basement!
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Whether you're a believer of the bible or not... Some of the prophecies of the "end of time" take no effort to plug in. I'm sure yzf will be more than happy to make a list.
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atheistic evolutionary beliefs has alot to do with it


You're definitely the biggest nut in the turd MarKKK.

Make sure you blame ALL of society's flaws on those evil athiests and evolutionists.
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I think the biggest "sign of the times" is the growing apathy, the increasingly desensitized, hard hearted nature of people that will be part of the Tribulation
I'll bring the marshmallow and Graham crackers...you bring the Hershey bars.
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you'll be dead....and no one will care
Boy that makes me sad.
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