check out these pics and judge for your self if these mustangs are gonna flop! Some pictures dont look bad ,but some of them are just plain ugly as crap.


http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA04/mwsema04.htm

http://www.saleen.com/2005_s281.htm

http://goroush.com/2005.htm

I like the girl in red :eyecrazy:

seen them somewhere else... dont like them

After the SVT, I don't know why Saleen and Roush even bother.

I agree, the louvres are gay

I agree, the louvres are gay

Remember when cars had louvres?

Celicas, Camaros, i've even seen some fc's with them.

I used to think they were "cool" :)

http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA04/images/IMG_2336_JPG.jpg

im sold. :drool:

dude, that s10 is BAD

http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA04/images/IMG_2355_JPG.jpg
i dont care, that does NOT belong in an american car...

i think they went toooooooooo retro with the new mustang, i like the generation before this better. you had a hint of the old car in there, but it was totally its own car.

the following is why i don't understand the engineers at Ford...

"Under the hood of every S281 is a high-performance 4.6-liter V8 engine. In the 3-Valve model this engine produces 325 horsepower. In, the supercharged S281 SC the horsepower leaps to 400. And for the S281 E, which will be introduced next spring, the engine produces a mind-boggling 500 horsepower. Now you know why the E in the name stands for Extreme."

now, in 93 GM put an underrated 275hp LT1 in camaros/firebirds (300hp on SS and TA) until 98, when there came the 315hp LS1 (325hp on SS and TA) each at 350ci respectively. the LS1 used in the new GTO gives 350hp. GM gave teh new LS2 (used in teh corvette, GTO, SSR, and SS concept and possibly nextgen camaro) with 400hp. the new z06 will pack 500hp NA (yeah ford, thats mind boggling, esp how we did it NA) and is still totally emissions legal and gets relatively good gas mileage. probably around the same price as the 281E mustang.

what i'm saying here, i'm not bashing mustangs or ford drivers or whatever, theyre great cars that have been around for a long time. what i am saying, however, is that if i were a ford fan/driver, i would be yelling at ford "there's no replacement for displacement" because the GM guys are getting nearly 100ci more of it! all we gotta do is bore the holes a little bigger, guys, it aint that hard. 4.6l v8? thats less than a small-block, thats a puny block. you buy cadillac sedans with tons more punch than that. wouldnt it be embarresing when granny beats you in a caddi?

GM doesnt have a direct competitor with the mustang right now, but the fact that a stock 2002 LS1 f-body has more umph than a 2005 pony car is not impressing the legend of american muscle. frankly, i'm no ford fan, but i'm mad at ford! new mustangs are no match for outdated f-cars (forget about big-block ponchos!!! saw smokey and the bandit last night btw) and were chevy to release the SS concept, ford would be taking the back seat-- no no, the trunk, since the SS packs 430hp stock. GM keeps uppin the ante, had finance problems but will bring back the muscle car legend in due time (the GTO was a start).

so i say this to ford: UP THE ANTE SOME MORE!!! GM has cars sittin on 364ci and 500hp NA while ford has em sittin on 281ci and (ford makes this the BIG CLAIM on their website for the mustang--) "the first mainstream production mustang to break into the 300hp arena"... GIVE US MORE, this is WEAK

what i'm saying here, i'm not bashing mustangs or ford drivers or whatever, theyre great cars that have been around for a long time. what i am saying, however, is that if i were a ford fan/driver, i would be yelling at ford "there's no replacement for displacement" because the GM guys are getting nearly 100ci more of it! all we gotta do is bore the holes a little bigger, guys, it aint that hard. 4.6l v8? thats less than a small-block, thats a puny block. you buy cadillac sedans with tons more punch than that. wouldnt it be embarresing when granny beats you in a caddi?


Ford seems to be catering to the masses, and in all honesty, that's what they should be doing. It would be nice to see the current 4.6L V8 be bored/stroked to 5.0 or more, but why? It makes 300HP stock now and although the Mustang isn't exactly a light car, it's not terribly heavy either. It's nice to cater to enthusiasts, but it doesn't exactly make you much money, unless you're a company like Ferarri.

It doesn't exactly matter anymore whether the engine is a small block, power is power. And that's what some muscle car enthusiasts have yet to realize. Sure the 4 Banger turbo may not sound as deep and throaty as the V8, but a 250HP four banger that weighs less than 3200 pounds can hand a muscle car it's ass on a platter in some cases.

The BMW 4.4L V8 makes nearly 300HP, is that so wrong? even though it doesn't have the displacement of a LS1, but makes good power?

Granny in her 4000lb Automatic Cadillac ain't gonna touch Jonny Leadfoot in his manual V8 4.6L Mustang. So that isn't really an issue here. Caddy makes powerful cars, but none are in the 13 second 1/4 mile range stock. Excluding the Cadillac Sixteen.

Ford is doing what they should be doing. Creating a mainstream sports car that makes good power and doesn't need nearly 6.0L of displacement. Yea the Cobra has a blower, but again, Power is Power. No matter how it gets to the ground.

all i gotta say is ford did the right thing by SC'ing the 03+ cobras...it made getting a Cobra worth it...but since body styling has changed, etc, i would def. like to see what SVT has in store for Mustangs..

ps...interior is trashed..looks like a Thunderbird/luxury car....it cant come close to looking like a domestic muscle car..

Mark
95SE

no, see, you don't get it... the ford motors arent catering to the masses, if it had more displacement and therefore was making more power i'm sure ppl would appreciate that much better. and about the 4banger, yeah i know with a turbo or blower they can make some nice power, but i'm not comparing those to the mustang. i'm talkin strictly muscle cars. cause u put a turbo or blower on something with 350ci and 8 cylinders to spread the power over, its gonna do a heck of a lot more. muscle cars are in a different class than 4bangers, i know on the street it doesnt matter, i'm talkin strictly factory favors here. and yes, a caddi could whoop a mustang quite easily, besides the sixteen. the new v-series cars have quite a bit of power, and also have options for a manual transmission. these cars are well into the 13s stock, and not too far from 12s. the BMW 4.4l serves a much different prupose than the mustang, BMW also runs that engine with much more than 300hp. but again i'm talkin strictly the class that mustang is a part of. i'm not sayin ford needs 6.0l of displacement, i'd personally love to see the comeback of the 5.0. i'm jus saying they could do so much more. the fact that a 2005 mustang can't compete evenly with an outdated f-body is disappointing, again i'm NOT ford bashing, i just personally wish they would do more to compete. then again, they do sorta have the market to themselves at the moment...

I'm not sure how hard it would be to bore/stroke the current 4.6L to 5.0 or more, but I don't see Ford doing that in the immediate future. And it looks like the 4.6L has a long life to live at the moment.

Sure the F-body cars outdid the Mustang in performance, but sales...different story. Ford knew what the people wanted, and they did it. Got rid of the Ol' Skool 5.0L pushrod motor, created an OHC 4.6L beauty, had good price points, and didn't make the Mustang look like a bloated car. Not that there's anything wrong with pushrods, but for some reason people "prefer" OHC although they have no idea what it means. Power is power, but the masses don't understand that.

Sure a CTS-V will hand a GT Mustang it's ass, and with 400HP to boot, I can see why. But, that's like comparing apples to oranges. If we put the SVT Cobra against the CTS-V in a str8 line, the Cobra would own. That's the only car in the Caddy lineup that'll be able to keep up with the Stang, and the STS, but who pushes their STS to it's limits?

I like GM cars no doubt, but if GM wants to make a comeback with the Camaro, it should be smaller than the last Gen Camaro, keep the LS1 and 325HP and make a sensible price point for the V6. GM had most of that right, but the Camaro was too big, and i've heard that from tons of people. Although when u line up a Mustang and a Camaro side by side, they are similar in size but the Camaro just looks big as hell. People don't like big coupes anymore. The El Dorado, Thunderbird, etc. all in the detroit junkyard.

Once GM gets back into the Sports car Arena, then maybe things will change. But until then, like u said, Ford has the market to themselves.

EDIT: GM, really needs to scrap the Monte Carlo. Or if they do keep it, make it RWD on a new platform and use the Northstar 4.6L V8. That would be a nice mustang competitor if they can make it look good, not have a model featuring hubcaps, and change the name.

yeah i agree with a lot of what u said... i will never understand it, but in nearly 10 years of the f-body, the only change they made was the nose and the dash (actually just the camaro's dash, it got the firebird dash). well, the motor too, but that was understood since we always get what teh corvette drove the previous year. they didnt market it, and after a while the awesomeness of the car rubbed away, as other cars kept changing. so its NO guesswork as to why it quit selling. i mean, you can buy a new one, or buy one 2-3 years old for much less that is nearly exactly the same. so noone bought new ones. i do think that once chrysler puts out a couple new cars (rumors of a charger are floatin) and chevy releases whatever their musclecar will be (ss, chevelle, camaro, who knows) then things will change. the import market isnt as big as it once was.

whatever GM's new musclecar will be, it will have a 5.3l OHV v8, thats almost certain, as a base. a 6.0l OHV like in the corvette will also come out as an option probably a year later, so that should stiffen things up

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Granny in her 4000lb Automatic Cadillac ain't gonna touch Jonny Leadfoot in his manual V8 4.6L Mustang. So that isn't really an issue here. Caddy makes powerful cars, but none are in the 13 second 1/4 mile range stock. Excluding the Cadillac Sixteen.
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no not the 13's but! an ETC or STS of about 95-96 can make a 14.5 1/4 mile.... stock... not bad for a luxury granny car

does that also exclude the cts-v? :)

does that also exclude the cts-v? :)

A SVT Cobra will eat a CTS-V for lunch. It's not fair to compare a Mustang GT to a CTS-V.

no not the 13's but! an ETC or STS of about 95-96 can make a 14.5 1/4 mile.... stock... not bad for a luxury granny car

That's about right for a 300HP car that weighs in at over 3500 pounds.

But just like I said before, who pushes their STS/ETC to its limits? And those cars handled like shit. Not that the Mustang is a master on the twisties, but the STS/ETC handled like the boats that they were.

does that also exclude the cts-v? :)
i mentioned that, those cars do low 13s in the 1/4, and arent far from 12s... the svt cobra has, 390hp supercharged? the cts-v, 400hp NA? albeit 200lbs heavier thanks to luxury options....

A SVT Cobra will eat a CTS-V for lunch. It's not fair to compare a Mustang GT to a CTS-V.

I was referring to BabyUsher: Caddy makes powerful cars, but none are in the 13 second 1/4 mile range stock. Excluding the Cadillac Sixteen

and the V-series cars, which are in the low 13s

quit yer crying.