http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5c1670b3b

lol

actually... that isn't a .50 handgun. And that video is several years old.

The gun is a Thompson Centerfire Contender that was build up by a custom gunsmith to showcase his skills and IIRC it has an elephant cartridge chambering. Something in the nitro express line of cartridges. A .50 or a .500 S&W aren't nearly that powerfull, I've shot both.

Lol - I thought of massive .50 exit wounds when I read the title of this thread.

actually... that isn't a .50 handgun. And that video is several years old.

The gun is a Thompson Centerfire Contender that was build up by a custom gunsmith to showcase his skills and IIRC it has an elephant cartridge chambering. Something in the nitro express line of cartridges. A .50 or a .500 S&W aren't nearly that powerfull, I've shot both.

Something along the lines of a .600 Nitro Express, right?

actually... that isn't a .50 handgun. And that video is several years old.

The gun is a Thompson Centerfire Contender that was build up by a custom gunsmith to showcase his skills and IIRC it has an elephant cartridge chambering. Something in the nitro express line of cartridges. A .50 or a .500 S&W aren't nearly that powerfull, I've shot both.

well, it doesnt take a gunsmith to have a Contender in such a caliber, since the barrel is simply removed and a different one is installed anytime you want to change the caliber of the gun. Hard to see in the vid exactly what else, if anything, was done to it. The T/C is not bad, I remember shooting everything from .223 to 7-30 Waters and then some with one. single shot break actions are not my game, though.

Something along the lines of a .600 Nitro Express, right?I seriously doubt it.

The .600 Nitro Express generates 95.5 ft-lbs. of recoil. Most people couldn't deal with that in a 25+ lb. double rifle, let alone a pistol. It would easily break your wrist and/or your arm, not to mention whatever got in the way of the pistol as it left your hand.

For comparison, the .340 Weatherby Magnum, which is one of the nastiest of the Weartherby cartridges where recoil is concerned, generates less than half of that (41.4 ft-lbs. with a 200 grain bullet), and is not at all pleasant to shoot in a rifle weighing less than 8 lbs.

Your 7-30 waters generates only 9.4 ft-lbs. of recoil with a 120 grain bullet, which is less than a .44 Magnum (~10.1 lb-ft w/240 grain bullet). No comparison. :)

The biggest cartridge I've ever heard of anyone firing in a TC Contender is the .45-70 (~13.5 lb-ft. w/405 grain bullet), and the guy who owned it (6'4", 280 lbs.) said it was no fun to shoot at all. I'm sure Mark could do it without a problem, of course. :bigthumb:

The biggest cartridge I've ever heard of anyone firing in a TC Contender is the .45-70



Than you haven't heard of much along those lines. Go talk to any serious metalic silhoutte shooter and you'll find 45-70 is small potatoes. Think of it like a 410 shotgun shell with a rifled slug.

After all, even derringers are routienly chambered for 45-70:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Alex-7/sdfy789.jpg

Never underestimate the power of american "magnumitis"

The breaking of bones through firing of high powered pistols is pure fantasy bench racing. I've never heard of a single such incedent.

And a 600 nitro double rifle doesn't weigh anywhere near "25+ lbs" you're about ten pounds high.

I seriously doubt it.

The .600 Nitro Express generates 95.5 ft-lbs. of recoil. Most people couldn't deal with that in a 25+ lb. double rifle, let alone a pistol. It would easily break your wrist and/or your arm, not to mention whatever got in the way of the pistol as it left your hand.

For comparison, the .340 Weatherby Magnum, which is one of the nastiest of the Weartherby cartridges where recoil is concerned, generates less than half of that (41.4 ft-lbs. with a 200 grain bullet), and is not at all pleasant to shoot in a rifle weighing less than 8 lbs.

Your 7-30 waters generates only 9.4 ft-lbs. of recoil with a 120 grain bullet, which is less than a .44 Magnum (~10.1 lb-ft w/240 grain bullet). No comparison. :)

The biggest cartridge I've ever heard of anyone firing in a TC Contender is the .45-70 (~13.5 lb-ft. w/405 grain bullet), and the guy who owned it (6'4", 280 lbs.) said it was no fun to shoot at all. I'm sure Mark could do it without a problem, of course. :bigthumb:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bigbores&Number=34889&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1week&Main=34889&Search=true#Post34889

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bigbores&Number=34889&Forum=All_Forums&Words=&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=1week&Main=34889&Search=true#Post34889Awesome. And totally pointless and useless.

Awesome. And totally pointless and useless.

Exactly. Good for a laugh.

And a 600 nitro double rifle doesn't weigh anywhere near "25+ lbs" you're about ten pounds high.For a bolt-action rifle (15-18 lbs.), but not for a double rifle. Two barrels worth of .600 NE is a lot of steel.

Have you ever handled a large caliber double rifle, or are you just going off what you read on Wikipedia?

Have you ever handled a large caliber double rifle, or are you just going off what you read on Wikipedia?


Yes, many. 416 rigby, .475 nitro express...lots of big double guns.

Grew up around, and worked for this guy for quite a long time: http://hueycases.com/

clue me in on the vast amount of practical experience you have in this area so I can take your bench racing a little more seriously.

:)

Grew up around, and worked for this guy for quite a long time: http://hueycases.com/Well color me all impressed and shit... :rolleyes:

So how'd you manage to turn that into a career slinging office supplies?

clue me in on the vast amount of practical experience you have in this area so I can take your bench racing a little more seriously.What would be the point? You've never handled a .600 NE double, so you can't speak from firsthand experience either.

BTW, a .416 Rigby isn't a big double, and was that a .475 NE or a .475 NE No. 2?

.475 NE or a .475 NE No. 2?

I honestly have no idea. And I never shot it either.

I'm not trying to impress, just leting you know I've been around this stuff in a physical sense and am not jabbering off shit from Wikipedia. I've held more double guns than you have :blah:

416 rigby is pretty damn big. Way bigger than the bone jarring 45-70 you respect so much when shot through a pistol.:lmfao:

And I don't sling office supplies.....that was baby usher. Get your shit talking ammo streight. I' the broke dick used car salesman :eek:

I've held more double guns than you have.Perhaps, although it doesn't mean much if you haven't handled one in the .577+ range.

If you're so experienced with doubles, you should know that they dwarf the "standard" caliber doubles.

416 rigby is pretty damn big.I've shot one, thanks.

Way bigger than the bone jarring 45-70 you respect so much when shot through a pistol.I never said I respected it. I said it was the biggest round I personally knew of anyone firing in a TC, and the owner said it was no fun to shoot.

You should try re-reading my posts before putting words in my mouth.

And I don't sling office supplies.....that was baby usher.Like I care...

Like I care...


Like you don't....


Find me an example of a 25lb+ double rifle. (A reasonable example) and I'll write "jimlab owned me" under my screen name for a month. I promise.

That's where this started.

You aren't anywhere near as savy in this area as you pretend to be.

That's where this started.No, let's be accurate. This started with a quick estimate of the weight of a .600 NE (16-20 lbs. empty, depending on type of rifle) and turned into you trying to act like you're the king of double rifle trivia because you once worked at a gun store. :rolleyes:

Admit it, you're absolutely desperate to show me up because you can't compete with me in any other arena. :bigthumb:

You aren't anywhere near as savy in this area as you pretend to be.Sure, whatever.

BTW, savvy is spelled with two v's...

Speaking of large handguns. Look at the beast I saw at the gun store this week.



Smith & Wesson has assembled an "Emergency Survival Tool Kit" that revolves around their 460PD or 500PD revolvers, it is available with either. S&W's Herb Belin, who developed this kit, emphasizes the short and very powerful .460 S&W and .500 S&W Magnum handguns as defense against bears. The idea of the snub nose is that it allows easy use even if attacked while in your sleeping bag in a tent, according the Herb. A longer barrel would make it more difficult to use in such a confined place and at point blank range, accuracy isn't that much of an issue. That's not an unheard of occurance, so he has a point.

The revolvers is equipped with a 2.75 inch unported barrel and a bright yellow Hogue Recoil Reducing Grip. Unless they are truly magic, best be prepared for a very sore hand after firing this one on the range. Anyone with a wweak grip need not apply.

The remainder of the kit includes: an Ultimate Survival Blastmatch firestarter and four packages of WetFire tinder, Ultimate Survival Saber Saw, Jet Scream whistle and 2 x 3 StarFlash signal mirror, a Silva Polaris baseplate compass, two MPI Mylar Space Emergency Blankets (Note to Herb, see above article) and a Smith & Wesson Extreme Ops liner lock folding knife. Also included is the book, "Bear Attacks of the Century - True Stories of Courage and Survival" by Larry Mueller and Marguerite Reiss; just in case you weren't paranoid enough about bears. All this is packed into a fitted bright yellow Harddig Storm Case. A ballistic nylon holster for the revolver is included. MSRP is $1150

How practical is this kit? Well, individually, the componets are generally very good and ought to be carried on your person for use if needed. If you are traveling into bear country, a powerful firearm is advisable. While a rifle or shotgun with slugs is preferred, most of those we know that travel in such areas also carry a powerful handgun and you'd be hard pressed to find one more powerful than these two.



http://www.equipped.org/GRAPHICS/sw_emergency_tool_kit_case_200w.jpg
http://www.equipped.org/GRAPHICS/sw_emergency_tool_kit_200w.jpg
http://passtheammo.com/wp-content/uploads/sw_emergency_tool_kit_400_0.jpg

No, let's be accurate. This started with a quick estimate of the weight of a .600 NE (16-20 lbs. empty, depending on type of rifle) and turned into you trying to act like you're the king of double rifle trivia because you once worked at a gun store. :rolleyes:

Admit it, you're absolutely desperate to show me up because you can't compete with me in any other arena. :bigthumb:

Sure, whatever.

BTW, savvy is spelled with two v's...


I referenced the only experience I have in this area because you accused me of relaying wikipedia info. Not to pretend I'm the "king" of double rifles. That's what you where doing when I got here.

What got my attention was you "seriously doubting" anyone fired anything bigger than a 45-70 out of a thompson center because of the risk of breaking bones or some shit :rofl: You where wrong about that.

and this weight bullshit. You kicked it off at 25lbs, and I didn't agree. Then you informed me that I must be thinking of bolt actions, because double rifles do infact have two barrels and are very heavy. I asked you to show me an example, and you dropped your estimate from 25+ to 16-20lbs. I'm gonna count that as the second time you've been wrong in this thread.

you're absolutely desperate to show up everyone on the internet. Jumping peoples shit when you only marginally know what your talking about. then getting pissed off when they don't believe you. When people call you out on something, it's not because they're jelous of you. It's because you're wrong.

I'm shure you lots about lot's of things. So go start a thread about software or bushings if you feel like "owning" some fuckers.


:bigthumb:

That's what you [were] doing when I got here.Were, not where.

What got my attention was you "seriously doubting" anyone fired anything bigger than a 45-70 out of a thompson centerNo, re-read my post. I said I seriously doubted that it was a .600 NE pistol.

because of the risk of breaking bones or some shit :rofl:Fire a .600 NE pistol without letting go of it and let me know.

You [were] wrong about that.Easy for you to say, but not so easy for you to spell, apparently.

I asked you to show me an example, and you dropped your estimate from 25+ to 16-20lbs. I'm gonna count that as the second time you've been wrong in this thread.You're saying that 16-20 lbs. is wrong? Prove it.

Jumping peoples shit when you only marginally know what your talking about.The only one jumping anyone in this thread is you. I expressed doubt, which is... get this... my personal opinion. Woah.

then getting pissed off when they don't believe you.Note my reaction when it was pointed out that it is in fact a .600 NE pistol. Did I get pissed off?

When people call you out on something, it's not because they're [jealous] of you. It's because you're wrong.I think you covet my spelling ability.

I eagerly await your next semi-literate reply.

[You're saying that 16-20 lbs. is wrong? Prove it.


25+ pounds was wrong. and I have proven it.


I'm a pretty bad speller, but that doesn't have much to do with any of this.

You wHere stating opinions, But they wHer incorrect. I guess you're pretty salty about that, but the fact remains.

I eagerly await your next attempt to change the subject.

25+ pounds was wrong. and I have proven it.I believe your exact words were...

you dropped your estimate from 25+ to 16-20lbs. I'm gonna count that as the second time you've been wrong in this thread.Prove it.

people couldn't deal with that in a 25+ lb. double rifle

Then I called your "quick guess" high and you said:

For a bolt-action rifle (15-18 lbs.), but not for a double rifle. Two barrels worth of .600 NE is a lot of steel.



Then I asked you to show me an example of a "25+lb double rifle" and you said:

This started with a quick estimate of the weight of a .600 NE (16-20 lbs.)

That's when you backed your "quick estimate" down. to nearly the same weight you said a bolt action would be.

I'm gonna count that as the second time you've been wrong in this thread.


The first being:

you "seriously doubting" anyone fired anything bigger than a 45-70 out of a thompson center because of the risk of breaking bones or some shit :rofl: You where wrong about that.

And that one was just rediculous, while they where just "your personal opinions" they where just plain wrong as fuck, and you were throwing them around like you know what you're talking about. you silly fuck.

You got cought pulling specific numbers out of you ass and pretending like you knew what the fuck you were talking about. You simply do not.

I guess your just used to winning arguments over bushings.........

How many times am I going to have to remind you of our exchanges in this thread?


Prove it.



Proven.

It would easily break your wrist and/or your arm, not to mention whatever got in the way of the pistol as it left your hand.


*Cue napoleon dynamite voice*


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You fucking nerd.......................

And that one was just [ridiculous], while they [were] just "your personal opinions" they [were] just plain wrong as fuck, and you were throwing them around like you know what you're talking about. you silly fuck.That's pretty funny. You can't spell for shit, can you. :roll:

Please point out where I said "anything larger than a .45-70 would break the wrist of the shooter". Use my actual posts, not a reconstruction of words from my posts.

You got cought pulling specific numbers out of you ass25+ is not a specific number. It's a range, or more accurately, an estimate.

You, on the other hand, have yet to provide a specific number, despite your claimed expertise on the subject. You also offered a .416 Rigby as an example of a big double you'd handled, when it is actually a large medium and not a big bore cartridge and therefore not even in the same class as the .600 NE.

and pretending like you knew what the fuck you were talking about. You simply do not.Neither do you. You can't tell me unequivocally what a .600 NE double weighs because you've never weighed one or handled one... so now you're avoiding the fact that you have no proof that the second range I offered (16-18 lbs.) is inaccurate.

You stated...

you dropped your estimate from 25+ to 16-20lbs. I'm gonna count that as the second time you've been wrong in this thread."My .600 [Jeffery double] weighed 16 pounds and was regulated for 100 grs. of cordite and a 900-gr. bullet. With that load and weight, I found it pleasanter to shoot than the 13 1/4 pounds [Westley Richards] .577 which was regulated for 100 grs. of cordite and a 750-gr. slug" - John Taylor, African Rifles and Cartridges

You do know that doubles built by different manufacturers can differ in weight, right? And as the expert on double rifles, you do know that the action of a double can add weight depending on whether it has a box lock or side locks, right? Apparently the second range I offered isn't so wrong after all.

How many times am I going to have to remind you of our exchanges in this thread?I guess until you learn to read and can comprehend what I actually said vs. what you'd like to think I said. :bigthumb:

Until then... go sell some more used cars and put the money towards a fucking education, you illiterate cunt.

^ I never said I didn't think the second range you offered was accurate. Just your first offering of 25+lbs


I am pretty tired of this though, so I give up.

Just like this snake gives up to van dam:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Alex-7/snakepunchio7.gif
Unless you really want to keep going around in circles, quoting eachother, and spell checking my responses for me?


You silly fuck

Did I mention that my dad could beat both of your dads up?