First, I like to welcome our newest member...Antichrist. I sure hope this topic brings the nice guy out in the open to discuss how M1A1 tanks can row over...well...Antichrist words.

Second, the meat and potatoes, the so called Antichrist himself. That is if he is real. We never hear of this Antichrist until 100 of years later after Jesus' death. Christ never mentions it except the author who seems to write like he licked a toad. Really. Anyone ever read Revelations? It is one of the most difficult book to read ever. That is my humble opinion of course.

Discuss.

One interpretation of Revelation states that the antichrist will be a world leader who will bring about peace over all nations..... for 3-1/2 years, until he enters the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and declares himself to be God.

After that, Judgement is poured out on the earth, and death begins.

Sorry about the duplicate thread czarofsomething in Shooting the Breeze.

naw its all good.

One interpretation of Revelation states that the antichrist will be a world leader who will bring about peace over all nations..... for 3-1/2 years, until he enters the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and declares himself to be God.

After that, Judgement is poured out on the earth, and death begins.
Hasn't death been with us already? Maybe its been happening ever since we could die.

first off, there are not multiple "revelations"...you can always identify a Bible hack when he refers to the letter in this manner...it is THE Revelation of Jesus Christ

I know, you are like a child right out of the gates, tripping over everything, but it’s your heart that matters. Good boy. However, the earliest manuscripts are called "The Apocalypse/Revelation of John. Not the revelations of Christ. Not like I gave a shit anyway. But at least we know from the start we won’t gather any more insightfulness from you than what we already know. That is too bad.

So anyway, back to revelations, did you people know that many scholars think different people wrote revelations due to various mood swings in the writings?

so how does the wrathful slaughterer reconcile with the meek and humble christian ?

it seems to be a 180° flip from "love love love" to "kill kill kill".

actually the killing IS a constant, all that changes is WHO DOES the killing.

wrong...it was always "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" from 90 AD when John received it on the Isle of Patmos
It isn't your fault. You merely believe what everyone tells you if they are under the banner of the cross. Because of this, you really believe that the title to the book of revelations is The Revelation of Jesus Christ. But truly I say to you, the title you are referring to is really the first sentence in the book...The Revelation of Jesus Christ ... unto his servant John. It’s like calling the title of another fictionist book "Once upon a time" which we all know isn't the main title also. But we all know what you mean, right?

Since the earliest manuscripts had the MAIN title worded "The Apocalypse/Revelation of John", we'll just call it that. Also, did you know the most common 'MAIN' title found on later manuscripts is The Apocalypse/Revelation of the Theologian? No, probably not. But if it upsets you for me calling it other than what you like it to be called, I'll be more than happy to accommodate you and call it by its first sentence. It's gay but ok.

first off, there are not multiple "revelations"...you can always identify a Bible hack when he refers to the letter in this manner

thats funny--when your boy bx7 did it, I dont recall seeing any such "bible hack" BS from you about it....

http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=119525&postcount=122

Originally Posted by bx7
Why would a Christian think that another person would be made to bow down at his feet? Well if you folks were reading a One Year Bible like myself, yesterday you would have read through the following passage where this does make some sense:

Revelations 3:

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, 'These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens":* "I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, *and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.



hmmm.....

it's the most thrilling book to a true Christian, and requires spiritual discernment, which eludes those on the outside

Unfortunately for you, it was never intended to arouse the reader. You are so incredibly preoccupied with the thought of so much death and destruction that you fail to see what your mission actually is on this rock. Youre too busy finding excessive amounts of joy in so much destruction that you forgot all about seeking and saving the lost along the way. And while I agree that it is good for God's enemies to be dealt with, the most incredible part of that book shouldnt be the death and destruction--it should be that God has offered His mercy to save you from that end! There is no more horrifying account to be found anywhere, and thanks to God's grace, a person can be spared from it--THAT is what makes it so telling. Instead, you look at all the death and obliteration and get excited. Death happens each and every day--albeit not on that scale--but how often do you actually get a chance to receive that much mercy in the midst of so much immediately coming doom?? THAT is what makes Revelation so important and fascinating. I have always felt that Revelation is either the most terrifying or the most comforting book, depending on your faith...imagine the comfort that must come with truly knowing that God will spare you from all that pain. Its a real shame that the first thought that enters your mind is excitement over all that anguish. God does not preach humility all over the place, only to intend that the chosen abandon that humility at the end. You should learn that.

Sorry chum. Try not to be silly. You know I have the proof. If you really gave a shit, you'd look it up yourself. For some reasons you are afraid to. But I wouldn't want you to waste your time like I did. It is all fiction material anyway from a mentally sick man. Therefore it doesn't matter.

wrong...it was always "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" from 90 AD when John received it on the Isle of Patmos

falsehoods from crackpot sources


too bad jesus didn't have time to write it down himself, maybe it wouldn't be so crazed.

but then again maybe all jesus could think about at the time was a parable about an anthill and a kid with a magnifying glass.

your sources? still waiting
Jesus, I really feel sorry for your company whom has an engineer that fails in researching. Do you need this much attention or are you that dumb? Like I said, it is up to you if you care to look. Start by looking at the photos of the original manuscripts. Go ahead. I am sure it is all over the internet. Look at them all.

I can’t believe I am showing you how to do research.

Naw,too lazy to post photos, offer symbolic to English, yada yada yada. It is really your problem. You realize, no one here thinks I am incorrect on this Title. Just you. If you want to go through life thinking you are right with this, it doesn't gain me much to change that. I'm just helping out by pointing this out to you and is really your benefit to not look like a sloppy biblical idiot. Truly is.

i guess

Want to talk about Bible? Or how much bible penis you have?

Christ appears in a lot of people dreams. And since the events written never happened, this too was only a dream. For example, real life Jesus never spoke in a character of returning again and killing your neighbor.

thats funny--when your boy bx7 did it, I dont recall seeing any such "bible hack" BS from you about it....


Hey now! Was this supposed to be an insult?



Isn't there some conjecture that the abomination that causes desolation refers to Titus who sacrificed a pig in the temple?

Hey now! Was this supposed to be an insult?



Isn't there some conjecture that the abomination that causes desolation refers to Titus who sacrificed a pig in the temple?

no, bx, it wasnt an insult. I simply made the point that Mark is so inconsistent with his points of view. He doesnt bother with even so much as a polite correction when you post 'revelations', but when someone else does it, he instantly goes on the attack and proclaims that the person is an ignorant "bible hack".

I'm extremely consistent and document just about everything I post

by sharp contrast, you contribute nothing of value to these threads, psycho jonnie

God created weeds...

I just showed a perfectly clear-cut case of your inconsistency...do you deny this? Or are you just saying what you think sounds good now??

you showed nothing, you are nothing

Why didnt you bother to correct bx, then, if you are so consistent? You didnt mention one word! HMMM...looks like I did show something after all...

bx is a friend and a brother

you're an annoying outsider who can't take a hint: you aren't wanted here...go change some diapers

ah, so correcting someone should only take place if they arent a friend, then?? Wow, more inconsistencies from you...

What ever in the bluest of blue hell ever made you think I cared about what you want in terms of this forum? Just curious. After all, you do hold the current record for the number of times that the people who run this forum have kicked you out of it...seems to me that if I wasnt wanted here, they would have put me out the way they have to you. hmmmm.....

but its your place to correct everyone else, for some strange undefined reason? Tell me what that reason is, hypocrite

It never was your place to determine who is bound for hell and who isnt, Mark...did that ever stop you? Even once? Didnt think so.

More hypocrisy from the most dishonest person I have ever known

if I do correct people, it's almost always on issues of empirical scientific fact or Biblical doctrine, that's what you fail to grasp: you try to correct me about my personal character, as you you are in ANY position to do so

I told you, many times, I don't respect you or your judgments of my character, do you get it? what is your true motive here, aside from being a prick?

jumping up and down in excitement while repeatedly calling someone an adulterer isnt what you just claimed. Finding joy in someone's illness doesnt have shit to do with "empirical scientific fact" or "biblical doctrine" either, liar. Praying and wishing for people to die isnt either one of those, nor is threatening physical harm on others. Declaring a person worthless to all of humanity has nothing to do with those two situations either, moron. Shall I keep going, or will you finally either shut the hell up or be honest about your actions?

jumping up and down?

he is an adulterer, plain and simple, he admitted it

are you?


you are a lost cause, really. You know the Word but refuse to follow it. How should one confront a person, Mark? With "asshole" and "mindless" and "worthless"? Consider the elect that was commanded to meet with Saul. how did he confront Saul, the one responsible for many deaths? This man MURDERED PEOPLE, and yet even he was treated with more decency than you show anyone here. Youre pathetic and I pity anyone with that much anger pent-up, I really do. And even though you refuse to admit it, I am not the source of your anger. When I dont even post, you commit the same acts, you just direct them at other people in here. You live in a world filled with people that dont agree with you, and you have been given a mission....and youre too busy being angry and trying to one-up everyone that youre stuck on your own ego instead of that mission.

A faithful person does not make shit up about others. Yet you do. To this day you cannot produce one scrap of evidence that I am not married, yet you claim it constantly. You even admitted one time that you did not have any proof, but you still parrot it around. This is not the behavior of the elect.

A faithful person confronts without the anger. Look, we arent even talking about people you have even met. If you cannot control yourself to the degree we all have witnessed just over the internet, what do you do in real life?

There are two sides to God--the mercy and grace, and the wrath. You focus almost exclusively on that wrath. That is pathetic.

jumping up and down?

he is an adulterer, plain and simple, he admitted it

are you?

Now who is lying.....I've never admitted I was an adulterer. And on the contrary, I even posted what adultery is in my defense, and you still wanted to twist it into something else. I never cheated on my wife when we were married.

Face it skidMark, you are lying right now about this and all you want to do is cover your tracks by lying. You hatred for me is glaring and you actions prove it. You have stated that you 'hate' me but then you come around and say that I'm not your enemy?

I think that you need to talk to a shrink because you bi-polar delusions are catching up with you skidMark.

And what about you?? You have clearly admitted that you have had sex outside of marriage, which is the same sin... What makes you different? How many times have I ever thrown that in your face? Yet you want to continually condemn me? What type of unforgiving 'Christian' are you? Do you not see your name drawn in the sand? Are you still wanting to throw stones?

Face it skidMark, you may babble the bible, but you definitely don't walk in the Word based on you actions here.

1. you admitted divorcing your wife, for a cause other than infidelity

2. you admitted to having a new girlfriend you were intimate with

that is adultery, by anyone's definition (who knows scripture)

Sure... right. Like I said, you have twisted things again.
I did not divorce her, she left on her own accord, I gave her the choice. I did not pay for the divorce, I did not file the papers. She did, it was all of her works.

I may be guilty of fornication, but adultery I am not.


no, that is fornication
the O.T. penalty for fornication was not death, the O.T. penalty for adultery was death
I'm not defending either one, but adultery is more serious

So now you are grading sin? Isn't all sin at the same level other than the one unforgivable sin? Doesn't God hate all sin? It's only in the eyes of man where different sins are graded. And who are you to throw around people sins?

Also, didn't Jesus change the Law of Moses concerning this?

You may think you know scripture, but who is picking and choosing now skidMarked?

Face it, your only goal here is to place yourself into some high and mighty, who's the false prophet now? Who is the accuser?

not according to your statement here
http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=122435&postcount=14

I feel bad doing this, I feel like a psycho jonnie loser looking up old links on people

sorry :)

BTW, read the rest of the thread to refresh you memory....just like the bible, you pick and choose content and take things out of context. READ the rest of the thread, get the whole picture, and commit it to memory....until then get off you 'I'm cleaner than you' attitude. We all fall short, and you are just as sinful as the rest of use here. We all fall short. Seems to me that you need to learn about tolerance and looking beyond a persons 'sins'.

So Jesus hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes....did he ever act once the way you act now by pointing out peoples sins? Did he ever once make them feel less of a person? No he broke bread with them, and gave them the gift of the Sacrament. I think you really need to learn this lesson....

I may be guilty of fornication, but adultery I am not.


According to Jesus, if you've looked at a woman with lust in your eyes, you're guilty of committing adultery. I am too and so also is yzf.

According to Jesus, if you've looked at a woman with lust in your eyes, you're guilty of committing adultery. I am too and so also is yzf.


Good, thanks, so now we can bury the semantics of the discussion.

Seems now that skidMark is then just as guilty of the same sin as I am according to Jesus. Maybe this will shut him up. BTW do us a favor and quote the passage so that all of us can learn.

Good, thanks, so now we can bury the semantics of the discussion.

Seems now that skidMark is then just as guilty of the same sin as I am according to Jesus. Maybe this will shut him up. BTW do us a favor and quote the passage so that all of us can learn.

You want it, you got it:


NIV
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ [fn5] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Now enough with the mudslinging, let's work on AntiChrist doctrine.

we left off here, bx

Right, here we are. So is this the same event Jesus predicted? This eschatology and dispensationalism stuff I just don't fully get.

But what about the loss of the temple in 70? I'll reread the passage tonight and be ready to contribute tomorrow.

ditto....

and you claim to have a wife, but yet you're up at 2 AM arguing with me on the internet

you're so full of crap it's unbelievable, jonnie

1--where in the world did you learn how to tell time??

2--please, DO TELL, where is it written that a married man cannot be awake at night? That argument carries as much weight as saying "Mark cant be a real christian because he likes peanut butter...."

Grow up, Mark...."You shall not bear false witness....", remember? Stop lying.

the temple will be rebuilt, although that seems impossible (now) because the DOR is there

in the spirit of universalism championed by the Beast, it may be constructed adjacent to the DOR, I tend to think this is very possible

it is known that the Jews have detailed plans to rebuild the temple, and have since the 60s, they are simply waiting for the right opportunity to do it...the seven year pseudo peace orchestrated by the Beast will be that opportunity

all the current unrest in the middle east points to the coming showdown that will result in the rise of the Beast and initiation of this peace pact, and the entire world will worship the beast in part because of his diplomatic efforts

they will say:
who is like the Beast, and who can make war with him??

I expect this to happen within 20-30 years

when people tell me understanding of prophecy isn't critical, I just shake my head

do you think that the beast is someone already on the world scene, or someone who isnt known yet?

1--where in the world did you learn how to tell time??

2--please, DO TELL, where is it written that a married man cannot be awake at night? That argument carries as much weight as saying "Mark cant be a real christian because he likes peanut butter...."

Grow up, Mark...."You shall not bear false witness....", remember? Stop lying.
HA! When I wake for no reason, I get up sometimes to read this religious forum. It makes me so sleepy.

Why would an all knowing god need a Book of Life?
answer: this is a dream. This is only a dream.

God only knows

which is probably why I asked what you THOUGHT, and not what you KNOW.

the temple will be rebuilt, although that seems impossible (now) because the DOR is there

in the spirit of universalism championed by the Beast, it may be constructed adjacent to the DOR, I tend to think this is very possible

it is known that the Jews have detailed plans to rebuild the temple, and have since the 60s, they are simply waiting for the right opportunity to do it...the seven year pseudo peace orchestrated by the Beast will be that opportunity

all the current unrest in the middle east points to the coming showdown that will result in the rise of the Beast and initiation of this peace pact, and the entire world will worship the beast in part because of his diplomatic efforts

they will say:
who is like the Beast, and who can make war with him??

I expect this to happen within 20-30 years

when people tell me understanding of prophecy isn't critical, I just shake my head

Is this all part of dispensationalism? I grew up attending SBC and got all the pre trib rapture stuff and then the trib followed by the millenial reign. But since I've come to the conclusion that some Reformer ideas are correct, including the TULIP stuff, it seems to me they have a different view of things.

Here's a short bit on the rejection of dispensationalism:

http://www.geocities.com/pvrosman/Dispensationalism_The_Case_Against_Premillenialism .html

satanic in origin

Huh?


such people want to steal the hope of the rapture and the return of Christ to rule and reign, but they cannot back up anything they say with scripture, in full context, and in context with all prophecy

Ouch! You are harsh. You are rough. I thought I was a zealot. You got hate in your eye number 47 and that's good. Hate keeps a man alive.

This came from PuritanBoard. And I suspect they'd like to bind you to a stake and make you a heretic barbecue.

hatred for lies/error...passion for the truth

I'm not saying these men are unsaved (and I've had debates with the amillennial crowd or whatever position they choose, Gary Demar is a great example), but they lack discernment
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/amillennial.HTM

how ANYONE in their right mind can believe the events of the Tribulation, when "if those days were not shortened NO ONE would be left alive", have already occurred, is completely beyond me

I'll have to do more research on the positions. This is an excellent topic to discuss. Not as significant as Sanctification but good none-the-less.

Is the black horse related to the world's dependence on OIL?

haha...no

but the final battel will be fought on horseback, and that always fascinated me...the gas guzzling machines of war will be empty shells

Now hold on a minute. Do you know that dispensationalism has been around for less than 200 years? And that the classic premill view is not the same as the current premill? I can't explain it yet, I'm still doing research. I would jump all over a JW on the defeat of Arianism by the early church, the silence of several hundred years and then mini revival of it with Charles Russell. Now I'm not saying the church has always been absolutely correct but I'll say the earlier you go back the truer things were.

Plus this stuff about horses. You seem pretty set on a literal translation but how would John be able to identify jets, trucks, helicopters, tanks? He wouldn't have the vocabulary. Now, I'm not saying a literal translation is incorrect, but I cannot fathom a return to horses. The whole world's economy will collapse with the loss of cars. Billions would die.

Think about this for a little while, the last battles invovle millions of people. How are you going to get millions of people transported with horses? You need millions of horses, hay for millions of horses, more food for the foot soldiers who will burn more calories walking half way around the world to get there. Who will be left to fight when everyone is trying to logistically make this possible?

so it looks like we just need to watch for a sudden massive upswing in the middle east horse population ?

Now hold on a minute. Do you know that dispensationalism has been around for less than 200 years? And that the classic premill view is not the same as the current premill? I can't explain it yet, I'm still doing research. I would jump all over a JW on the defeat of Arianism by the early church, the silence of several hundred years and then mini revival of it with Charles Russell. Now I'm not saying the church has always been absolutely correct but I'll say the earlier you go back the truer things were.

Plus this stuff about horses. You seem pretty set on a literal translation but how would John be able to identify jets, trucks, helicopters, tanks? He wouldn't have the vocabulary. Now, I'm not saying a literal translation is incorrect, but I cannot fathom a return to horses. The whole world's economy will collapse with the loss of cars. Billions would die.

Think about this for a little while, the last battles invovle millions of people. How are you going to get millions of people transported with horses? You need millions of horses, hay for millions of horses, more food for the foot soldiers who will burn more calories walking half way around the world to get there. Who will be left to fight when everyone is trying to logistically make this possible?
Stop. It was only a dream. Really was.

do too

hey mark, what large campaigns were fought on horseback in WWII?

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"

- Einstein

think about what occurs after a nuclear conflict or major catastrophe, what happens to oil supplies?


I would have to agree with this--even a nuclear war will not kill every last person on the planet, and once all the technology is wiped out, the basics are all that will be left

Albert isn't God and can be wrong from time to time. Nuclear missiles aren't aimed in areas where people arm themselves to feed their families. Think mountain regions. There will be at least guns. Since we have superior memories, we will duplicate guns and form militias. This will turn into bombs, etc etc etc etc etc on and on and on.

oh noooz. YZF forgot he turned a page

or did you forget?

Ah, ANtiChrist just joined us. HELLO ANTICHRIST! TELL US WHAT TO DO!

Albert isn't God and can be wrong from time to time. Nuclear missiles aren't aimed in areas where people arm themselves to feed their families. Think mountain regions. There will be at least guns. Since we have superior memories, we will duplicate guns and form militias. This will turn into bombs, etc etc etc etc etc on and on and on.

czar, you really should take a step back and use some common sense before posting things like this. First of all, let's consider the US. Where do you think an enemy would target their nukes??

Cheyenne Mountain, CO...."NORAD"

Where are our nukes, which would be a prime target?

--Minot AFB, North Dakota
--Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota
--Malmstrom AFB, Montana
--F. E. Warren AFB, Wyoming

There goes the "mountain regions". Whatever area isnt directly affected by the blast will be affected by the radiation that spreads afterwards. And, look at the weather pattern, the jet stream....nuclear fallout up there will spread to a very wide area towards the east and south, which is basically the heart of the country.

Sub bases would be a prime concern, due to our missile boats. We have sub bases on both coasts....they would be hit.

In a real full-scale nuke attack, much of the northeast would be gone because of strategic importance, both with military installations and with military industry. The entire VA area would be history, especially considering that this is where the US Navy stores its "special weapons". The Northwest would be heavily hit, as mentioned above. California would also probably get a good shot because of the major Navy bases there. What is left?

As for guns, what are you going to do with a gun? I'll tell you what--use it, if youre lucky, but only until you run out of ammunition or until it breaks. Then, where will you get parts to fix it, or more ammo to shoot?? Think about that. Our industry would be toast....no more bullets being made...

I can't wait for it to happen. Guys like me will find xtains and kick their asses for fun. First stop is NC.
:blah:

anyway, there will be an organized effort to regroup civilization. USA has already has in place hidden caches in case something like that happens. Like me, you just hope to be dead.

I can't wait for it to happen. Guys like me will find xtains and kick their asses for fun. First stop is NC.


Come on now, you're far too old to be kicking any asses there czar.

Come on now, you're far too old to be kicking any asses there czar.
It ain't going to happen in my lifetime. Besides, I'm sure someone would beat me to it in NC. :bigthumb:

Ah, ANtiChrist just joined us. HELLO ANTICHRIST! TELL US WHAT TO DO!

Sober up before posting next time. You're claptrap is starting to disintegrate under its own weight, and will be steamrolled in short order.

I saw antichrist viewing these pages. So how bout a nice cup of sthu

I can't wait for it to happen. Guys like me will find xtains and kick their asses for fun. First stop is NC.
:blah:

anyway, there will be an organized effort to regroup civilization. USA has already has in place hidden caches in case something like that happens. Like me, you just hope to be dead.

hidden caches that would need to survive a massive number of nuclear warheads dropping down....you always seem to forget about that small detail.

Where do you think an enemy would target their nukes??

Cheyenne Mountain, CO...."NORAD"

Where are our nukes, which would be a prime target?

--Minot AFB, North Dakota
--Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota
--Malmstrom AFB, Montana
--F. E. Warren AFB, Wyoming


Skydivr, ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!. Don't ever post information like this publicly again. You could be giving our enemies information to attack us with. You don't know czarofar. He could be a Russian spy or a Taliban. Now you've blown it and put our whole country at risk. Thanks alot.

Sheesh!

hidden caches that would need to survive a massive number of nuclear warheads dropping down....you always seem to forget about that small detail.
sure if location is known. and only one is needed kthxnoob

Skydivr, ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!. Don't ever post information like this publicly again. You could be giving our enemies information to attack us with. You don't know czarofar. He could be a Russian spy or a Taliban. Now you've blown it and put our whole country at risk. Thanks alot.

Sheesh!
See? Even BX7 belittles me as I expect from all of youz. Quit being pussys.

off topic
Wow, Captain Obvious to the rescue!

:rolleyes:

sure if location is known. and only one is needed kthxnoob

sure, you have one cache....that possibly survived....and there would be a war going on. Which means you would have to find them first, because someone else would also be looking for them, no?

And then, if you found them, what then? Like I already told you, they will be of limited use at that point. besides, if such an event ever were to take place, your focus, as one of the few survivors, would be on surviving, not on arming up to fight a war. What would you eat? Any clean drinking water around? How about medical care? You would be alive in a world filled with even more pollutants than before, and with far less means to handle them....

kthxnoob....:owned:

There isn't enough nukes in the world to cover the whole entire planet. otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about sticks and stones. Moreover, radiation won't kill coal plants that were missed. Coal plants will power factories. Factories will produce goods. Goods can be.....

Plenty of food in the Yukon Territory. We will all go over Arks property, hunt for our bitches at home and drink Moosehead.

I saw antichrist viewing these pages. So how bout a nice cup of sthu

You must really be as dumb as your mother looks, because the point flew right over your mullet.

you even have a point? That's a first.

There isn't enough nukes in the world to cover the whole entire planet. otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about sticks and stones. Moreover, radiation won't kill coal plants that were missed. Coal plants will power factories. Factories will produce goods. Goods can be.....

Plenty of food in the Yukon Territory. We will all go over Arks property, hunt for our bitches at home and drink Moosehead.

what part of common sense are you stubbornly refusing to get ahold of here?

"radiation wont kill coal plants"??? Radiation WILL, however, kill PEOPLE. And in a full scale nuclear war, MILLIONS will be killed right off the bat. Then, as the radiation travels, millions more will be killed or become sick.

Or, are you thinking that a coal plant will resume operations, to power a factory, which will produce goods, all without human participation?

With the number of strategically vital targets in the US, the only way an enemy could hope to achieve "victory" is to saturate the country with tons of nukes, spread out all over the place. The one bomb dropped on Hiroshima was only a 15-kiloton yield weapon....nukes were not nearly as powerful back then as they are today. In fact, testing of nukes in a 7 year period leading up to the early sixties was sufficient to cover THE ENTIRE WORLD'S ATMOSPHERE with low-dose radiation. And these were only tests, many of which took place with smaller weapons! By comparison, just one of our Peacekeeper ICBMs today carries up to eleven(treaty requirements actually only allow 10 but it can carry 11) warheads, each of these has a max yield of 475 kilotons. One missile carries up to 4,750 kilotons! And we have over 500 of these missiles in service......plus 500 more Minuteman missiles that carry 3 warheads each....then there are our sub-based missiles. I think you can see where this is going. And thats just us!

what part of common sense are you stubbornly refusing to get ahold of here?

"radiation wont kill coal plants"??? Radiation WILL, however, kill PEOPLE. And in a full scale nuclear war, MILLIONS will be killed right off the bat. Then, as the radiation travels, millions more will be killed or become sick.

Or, are you thinking that a coal plant will resume operations, to power a factory, which will produce goods, all without human participation?

With the number of strategically vital targets in the US, the only way an enemy could hope to achieve "victory" is to saturate the country with tons of nukes, spread out all over the place. The one bomb dropped on Hiroshima was only a 15-kiloton yield weapon....nukes were not nearly as powerful back then as they are today. In fact, testing of nukes in a 7 year period leading up to the early sixties was sufficient to cover THE ENTIRE WORLD'S ATMOSPHERE with low-dose radiation. And these were only tests, many of which took place with smaller weapons! By comparison, just one of our Peacekeeper ICBMs today carries up to eleven(treaty requirements actually only allow 10 but it can carry 11) warheads, each of these has a max yield of 475 kilotons. One missile carries up to 4,750 kilotons! And we have over 500 of these missiles in service......plus 500 more Minuteman missiles that carry 3 warheads each....then there are our sub-based missiles. I think you can see where this is going. And thats just us!

Nothing wrong with your common sense, except it smells of fear. Therefore common sense removed itself from half of your thoughts as evident to your overstated letter. Especially when you conveniently assume, or absent of addressing of such, that Information will be destroyed.

When I read your letter, you still left room for millions more people to still exist on this planet after the so called war. And chances are, since today we live in a society of information, unseen by Einstein, we will figure out how to re-power our nation and jolly kill each other with guns. I could.

But my problem is to make it to NC to protect someone before someone else butt rapes him. (Will this joke ever get old?)

and you don't fear the effects of nuclear warfare?

your mind is so trivial, whimsical, and flatlined it's frightening....you need a serious wake-up call

thats another thing we agree on.....you gotta stop that....

Nothing wrong with your common sense, except it smells of fear. Therefore common sense removed itself from half of your thoughts as evident to your overstated letter. Especially when you conveniently assume, or absent of addressing of such, that Information will be destroyed.

When I read your letter, you still left room for millions more people to still exist on this planet after the so called war. And chances are, since today we live in a society of information, unseen by Einstein, we will figure out how to re-power our nation and jolly kill each other with guns. I could.

But my problem is to make it to NC to protect someone before someone else butt rapes him. (Will this joke ever get old?)

youre trying to debate a military issue with someone who knows first hand about military issues. Whats next--you gonna tell Mark how to be an engineer, or perhaps you can tell Joe Torre how to manage the Yankees while youre at it?? Go on, tell everyone your vast experience in such matters so we can stand in awe of your ill-informed opinions...

There is a difference between fear and stating the facts. You wouldnt know anything about that, because you dont even know what the facts are. Better luck next time, chief.

Information? Again, you dont use any rational thought. Tell me, where is this information kept? Where is it stored? There isnt a person alive today that knows all of it himself, so it must be stored somewhere, no? Here's a clue--information is only as safe as the means used to store it. Computers? If there is no electricity, those are worthless. What about written files? Tell me where you can find one place that has all this data, yet is in a location that would not be on the list of priority targets in case of a war? hmm....looks like your boat just keeps springing leaks.

Ah yes, "millions would survive on this planet". So tell me something--with most of the US either directly targeted, or affected by massive amounts of nuclear fallout, where precisely do you think those millions would be?? Here? No, genius, they would be in places where nukes were not exploded. Do you REALLY think that the people in third world countries would have as their priority coming here to restart America?? "people surviving on this planet" is not the same as "people surviving HERE"....in either case, no matter what information survived, the way to win a war is to target your enemy's capacity to retalliate, to resupply, and to use such information. When the people that use such information have become targets, who do you think will be the one producing military weapons? Military industry has ALWAYS been a major target in wartime....yet you think that because some people survive in Africa, and a coal mine makes it through, that somehow the industry to make more guns, bullets, etc etc would magically get going again.

Good call, kthxnoobgdbye

you even have a point? That's a first.

You cranky little rat, it's all over when the LORD returns. Revelation is pretty clear: a burning mountain will fall into the sea, turning it read with DEATH. Ever see a dolphin hunt? The water literally turns red with the blood of slaughter. Burning mountain = asteroid falling through the upper atmosphere.

Get ready to face your Creator. As life ends (clearly all life will), the body will return to the earth from which it came, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

as it is, if jesus returns at the head of an army ON HORSEBACK they will be cut to ribbons by humanities VERY much superior arms.

if he waits a hundred years to deploy his kinetic energy device {asteroid} we will stop it in orbit and use it as a gas station to fuel our exploring rockets.

Human exertion will FAIL. Just remember that the Lord is omnipotent, and nothing we can do will change His will. And why would we want to change something that is already perfect?

Human exertion will FAIL. Just remember that the Lord is omnipotent, and nothing we can do will change His will.

yet it is christians who point at "atheism" as cursing human endevor to futility.

atheists are evil for holding that human exertion might WORK.

yet science works specifically because it rejects god.

why should evil work and good be predetermined to fail ?

And why would we want to change something that is already perfect?

life is only allowed to get better by you dieing sounds like a less than perfect philosophy of life.

Any preterists here? How about post or amills?

YZF, how can you be reformed on your soteriology and still a dispensationalist (Rapturist)?

honegod....seriously, get married and get off this forum, your worthless claptrap clutters up these threads

http://www.gty.org/resources.php?section=articles&aid=233878
Too few are able or willing to defend evangelical truths against contradictory views. It is easier—and it seems so much more polite—simply not to argue. Therefore attacks on crucial evangelical doctrines often go unanswered. The next generation will reap the poisonous fruit of this trend.

http://www.gty.org/resources.php?section=articles&aid=233878

Honegod, you've lost it. Take a good look at yourself. You've got a picture of yzf as your avatar and you reply in opposition to almost every post he makes. What's going on? Come back to reality with us.

You've got a picture of yzf as your avatar

Fun !! :D

I photochopped a picture yzf posted a couple years ago and am sorta proud of it, swapped in a ysr-50 mini crotch rocket, to change the scale a bit.

hence the "quote" signature thing, since the bike isn't too obviously knee high when the picture is all shrunk down like that.

you reply in opposition to almost every post he makes

I keep hoping he will DEFEND the obscenity he preaches, and am all disappointed that nobody seems to see just how horrible the christian religion really is.

you even have a point? That's a first.

Don't try to reason with superior intelligence. It's a fitting state for someone who denies the LORD - He who is superior to everything in this world.

*edit*

Oh damn, quoted your sorry ass twice. Make that inferior memory, lol.

Don't try to reason with superior intelligence. It's a fitting state for someone who denies the LORD - He who is superior to everything in this world.

Hey, if it makes you feel good that your imaginative friend is very very smart then go for it. What would be better is to take a crap on your hand and worship your turd. Although it wont respond to you just like your Lord wont either, at least you can see it and smell it.

and you don't fear the effects of nuclear warfare?

your mind is so trivial, whimsical, and flatlined it's frightening....you need a serious wake-up call
I'll likely be dead so why would I fear the effects? And if I am found alive, and depending how bad the war was, i am either going to move South or use one bullet. Easy beans.

The best responses take four days to conjure.

youre trying to debate a military issue with someone who knows first hand about military issues. Whats next--you gonna tell Mark how to be an engineer, or perhaps you can tell Joe Torre how to manage the Yankees while youre at it?? Go on, tell everyone your vast experience in such matters so we can stand in awe of your ill-informed opinions...

There is a difference between fear and stating the facts. You wouldnt know anything about that, because you dont even know what the facts are. Better luck next time, chief.

Information? Again, you dont use any rational thought. Tell me, where is this information kept? Where is it stored? There isnt a person alive today that knows all of it himself, so it must be stored somewhere, no? Here's a clue--information is only as safe as the means used to store it. Computers? If there is no electricity, those are worthless. What about written files? Tell me where you can find one place that has all this data, yet is in a location that would not be on the list of priority targets in case of a war? hmm....looks like your boat just keeps springing leaks.

Ah yes, "millions would survive on this planet". So tell me something--with most of the US either directly targeted, or affected by massive amounts of nuclear fallout, where precisely do you think those millions would be?? Here? No, genius, they would be in places where nukes were not exploded. Do you REALLY think that the people in third world countries would have as their priority coming here to restart America?? "people surviving on this planet" is not the same as "people surviving HERE"....in either case, no matter what information survived, the way to win a war is to target your enemy's capacity to retalliate, to resupply, and to use such information. When the people that use such information have become targets, who do you think will be the one producing military weapons? Military industry has ALWAYS been a major target in wartime....yet you think that because some people survive in Africa, and a coal mine makes it through, that somehow the industry to make more guns, bullets, etc etc would magically get going again.


Easy there Einstein. I do not doubt that you don’t know anything about military armaments and how they work and destroy life. Good for you. I now give you a medal. Really, if your scenario is explained in layman’s terms, why don’t you go ahead and submit a global model of a nuclear war. Yeah, didn’t think so for you are full of caw caw.

Again, my argument still stands that you placed a worst case scenario just for fear factor that will coincide with a caveman’s book.

The best responses take four days to conjure.
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lol

sounds like czar has a little sand in his vagina

I have sand everywhere in fact. :)

Actually I wrote it.

oh, like revelations

oh, like revelations

YOURE A BIBLE HACK

IT'S REVELATION, NOT REVELATIONS

YOU'RE GONNA BURN!!

I'M THE EAGLE, YOURE IN THE WORLD OF FOOLS

YOURE GONNA GET STEAMROLLED BY MY HOT PINK HAIL-DAMAGED M1 TANK!!

YOURE BOUND FOR HELL!!!!



:blah: :bigthumb: :lmfao: :roll: :rofl:

Hey, if it makes you feel good that your imaginative friend is very very smart then go for it. What would be better is to take a crap on your hand and worship your turd. Although it wont respond to you just like your Lord wont either, at least you can see it and smell it.

I know, I'm a jerk.

it is amazing how hacks always say "Revelations", as if there is more than One to be revealed

so once again, since you didnt answer it last time, is BX a hack then? Or is this just another example of you being a hypocrite with a double standard?

YOURE A BIBLE HACK

IT'S REVELATION, NOT REVELATIONS

YOU'RE GONNA BURN!!

I'M THE EAGLE, YOURE IN THE WORLD OF FOOLS

YOURE GONNA GET STEAMROLLED BY MY HOT PINK HAIL-DAMAGED M1 TANK!!

YOURE BOUND FOR HELL!!!!



:blah: :bigthumb: :lmfao: :roll: :rofl:
hehe i know. It bugs him for some reason.

I know, I'm a jerk.
me too

if the same thing was revealed to two different people in two different places at two different times couldn't it be referred to as revelations ?

Do ever question any of this stuff? If the future is foretold it has no point to begin with. Might as well killed everyone back then. "That was a fun social experiment. Now let's try dinosaurs on Mars."

I really think the bible was put here by Satan to decieve the Christians. The easy path to Hell.

Do ever question any of this stuff? If the future is foretold it has no point to begin with. Might as well killed everyone back then. "That was a fun social experiment. Now let's try dinosaurs on Mars."

I really think the bible was put here by Satan to decieve the Christians. The easy path to Hell.
Exactly! Christiandom flagrantly violates the first Commandment

if the same thing was revealed to two different people in two different places at two different times couldn't it be referred to as revelations ?

You're pretty articulate. We should meet up some time and drink some beer, and talk about Ultimate Truth and the Glory of Christ's Everlasting Kingdom. I notice that you seem to be somewhat creative and almost innocent with your nonstop, albeit twisted, fabrications. It's almost like you're so smart that you have engineered your posts just to get a calculated reaction. I do that some times at work, because people are generally predictable. It's a lot of fun to shake things up just enough to get control over everyone. It's weird how creating chaos can create control, from a guerrilla standpoint.

Do ever question any of this stuff? If the future is foretold it has no point to begin with.


I spent my life questioning Christian beliefs. Let's face it - we're somewhat engulfed in Christian ideals as a legacy of our parents and previous generations. Societal mores have been put in place mostly by Victorian ideals which originated in the fear of the Lord. When I realized that God represents all that is upright and perfect, I decided that His perfect commandments were all that was worth pursuing during this short life.


I really think the bible was put here by Satan to decieve the Christians. The easy path to Hell.

You just described the Roman Catholic Church.

satan had to wait hundreds of years after jesus died so he would have time to destroy ALL the original god breathed scripture and substitute his own cunningly modified versions in their place.

with hundreds of different 'gosples' floating around he waited until there were enough 'churches', each choosing different 'scriptures' and all fighting with the rest, to raise up a strong leader who could gather the strongest of the churches together to choose among satans 'scriptures' to create a "bible" that all churches would worship instead of god.

as proof - the bible creates an image of god that a true christian will not allow GOD HIMSELF to deny.

I was wondering whether it would be "babble" or "off topic".

run away little satan worshipper, hide your eyes from the clear light of the truth lest you be drawn from the side of your master in hell.

{how was that for a yzf style "rebuke" ? :bigthumb: }

with the exception of adding the bit about satan "substitute his own cunningly modified versions" which is indeed conjecture on my part, the rest of that post is streight history as posted on pages posted by yzf on bible history.

to choose among satans 'scriptures' to create a "bible" that all churches would worship instead of god.

http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-en...formation.html

In 315 AD, Athenasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, identified the 27 Books which we recognize today as the canon of New Testament scripture.

weak site.

tee hee, you imagine you can counter the Word of god by quoting the words of satan.

you have elevated the words of men above the Word of god, and worship an idol created by men to the exclusion of the still small voice trying to be heard above the clangor of your man made religion.

you cannot argue because you DARE not argue because were you to argue you might see the lie* your religion is based on and repent your sin of belief.

* that god hates mankind

{how was that for a yzf style "rebuke" ? :bigthumb: }



Actually, that was pretty damn authentic.

because were you to argue you might see the lie* your religion is based on and repent your sin of belief.

* that god hates mankind

Indeed. Since the Lord hates sin, and original sin is what put mankind into its wretched state, it seems reasonable to conclude that the Almighty hates mankind, in its current state.

Now, as a wrencher of sports cars and other mechanical devices, have you not once hated your car after you blew a rotary, yet continued to feel affection for it? Such is the Lord's attachment to mankind. He gave His only begotten Son as a mediator and ambassador to heaven, for us to receive.

You do get bent out of shape once in a while.

Indeed. Since the Lord hates sin, and original sin is what put mankind into its wretched state, it seems reasonable to conclude that the Almighty hates mankind, in its current state.

Now, as a wrencher of sports cars and other mechanical devices, have you not once hated your car after you blew a rotary, yet continued to feel affection for it? Such is the Lord's attachment to mankind. He gave His only begotten Son as a mediator and ambassador to heaven, for us to receive.

would you hate the engine that you assembled without apex seals for its low compression ?

god does.

You lose. God would throw it away and use a real engine next go-around. :D

ok, would you hate the poppet valve engine that you assembled without a CAM for "refusing" to start and run properly ?

being unable to discern good from bad {intake from exaust} by an act of the creator is not worthy of the creators hate.

ok, would you hate the poppet valve engine that you assembled without a CAM for "refusing" to start and run properly ?

being unable to discern good from bad {intake from exaust} by an act of the creator is not worthy of the creators hate.

The Lord gives many chances to recognize the Truth, and change ones heart for the better. You are full of hate, not the Lord. He merely administers His will over his minions, which He owns. You don't like that fact, and are hateful as a result.

And besides, everything was fine until a certain deceiver went and threw sand in the intake during break-in. The Lord regretted creating Adam and Eve after their fall, but chose to let mankind continue for whatever reason. Later, he wiped out most everyone to remove the wicked, and to allow the upright to start again. Still later He gave his only son as a vehicle for those of us who recognize our inherent depravity (a result of generations of violence which does have an effect on children who witness it). The choice is yours..... you can rebel, and be judged, or you can submit, and find peace for eternity.

Not hard.

You are full of hate, not the Lord. He merely administers His will over his minions, which He owns. You don't like that fact, and are hateful as a result.

... a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

god hated the sin of mankind so fiercely that he BRUTALLY slaughtered every bit of life on the planet.

designed them all to suffer greatly by drowning, and then drowned them all.

god drowned a family of fluffy bunnies because another species on the other side of the planet failed to properly stone an adulteress.

lovingly describing the agonised death throes of peter cottontail in an admiring tone is what I hear on the christian radio come easter time.

satan's voice describing god.
as a brutal, bloody, human sacrifice.

I pull a bit of hate from the sepulcher of the bible, shake off some of the blood and shreds of clinging human flesh, and toss it into my computer screen.


everything was fine until a certain deceiver went and threw sand in the intake during break-in.

why did god allow satan into the garden ?
was hell not created expressly to act as satans prison of physical punishment ?

satan could not leave hell and enter eden without god taking him out of hell and putting him in eden.

unless the wall around heaven is NEEDED for protection from ???

you put a serpent into your childrens room, and punish them for being bit.

y'all talk about the spirit protecting you saved chosen from satan, he is no way allowed to get to you {job excepted}.

where was the spirit for adam and eve in their hour of need ?

or even jesus ?

The Lord gives many chances to recognize the Truth, and change ones heart for the better.

where is the soul of adam going after judgement ?
heaven or hell ?