so i'm looking to get some sort of shotgun or rifle. i'm not old enough to buy a handgun either. i'm only going to use it for safety and to practice at the range.

should i start out with airsoft guns, or is that just a waste of time/money?

i don't want an absolute begginer's gun, but something that's somewhat easy to start out with. any suggestions?

If you have a lot of money:http://www.gunsmokeenterprises.net/Vltor%20stock.jpg



If you're strapped for cash:http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/weapons-recent/ak47.jpg

so the AK would be a good first gun, huh?

Get a Mossberg Defender.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/honestod/Shotgun.jpg

or CRUISER

http://www.ar15.biz/images/mossb_50580.jpg

or a good old ar

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Mossberg Defender is a good 12 gauge for the money....they are dirt cheap


Yeah like $280 or something and legal in all states.

I think.

so the AK would be a good first gun, huh?

AK's are ok. They are cheap mags are cheap ammo is cheap.


But the people and countries who can afford it get the M-16.

AK's are ok. They are cheap mags are cheap ammo is cheap.


But the people and countries who can afford it get the M-16.
If you can AFFORD it, get a AR15.......BUT there is nothing wrong with a AK.

I would personally go for a 12 gauge first.

Since it is for "safety" a shotgun has a much bigger intimidation factor then an "assault" rifle. Which would you rather hear at night? The racking of a shotgun pump, or the drop of a slide on a .223 round?

I know which one I would rather face! The guy with a 12 gauge

A full-auto assault rifle, even semi-auto, is a SERIOUS weapon....a 12 gauge is also deadly, but most are 6-8 shot, and a pump shotgun has a brief delay between rounds

I'll take a Sig 9 mm for home defense...it is easily concealed, and that's the key advantage, many people never get to a gun during a B&E, unless it is readily at hand.


Yeah I would rather face a shotgun too. The delay between shots is what gets you. If you are patient and make the first shot count a shotgun is good but self-defense situations aren't really synonymous with patience. The only gun I have out of my safe is my 9mm USP. Indoor I would always go to a side arm.

If you can AFFORD it, get a AR15.......BUT there is nothing wrong with a AK.

Oh I agree the AK-47 and the AK-74 are fine weapons.

nice guns.. thanks for the help guys. i'll take pics of whatever i get in a few weeks.

so far i like the mossberg defender. are there any other similar shotguns in the same price range?

nice guns.. thanks for the help guys. i'll take pics of whatever i get in a few weeks.

so far i like the mossberg defender. are there any other similar shotguns in the same price range?

Not really Mossberg is hard to beat for quality and price.

so if i wanted to go with a BLACK AK or an M16? where could i get one cheap?

i'm looking on the intraweb and the cheapest AK i've found was about $500.

Try gun shows or gun shops....I think you could find AKs for $300-400.

Try gun shows or gun shops....I think you could find AKs for $300-400.


Yeah I the average price here is $350 for an AK. A cheap AR will run around $725.

A cheap AR will run around $725.
depends on the manufacturer.

Bushy's seem to be going for damn cheap around here.

depends on the manufacturer.

Bushy's seem to be going for damn cheap around here.

Less than $725? Bushmaster has got to be one of if not the best AR's.

Less than $725? Bushmaster has got to be one of if not the best AR's.
i've seen em for sale around here for $500.

seems most of us backwoods type still prefer the Colt.

i've seen em for sale around here for $500.

seems most of us backwoods type still prefer the Colt.

Wow that's a good price.

i wish i had money to start up a gun collection :(

Question for you guys. What's a good rifle to start off with if you want to learn about sharp shooting and long range shooting?

I bet Supper knows.

Remington 700 special purpose .308 would be my choice. You are going to want to reload also to get a good group.



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I sleep with the Deagle under my pillow, and the 410 in arms reach, Kinda not safe where I live. Of course the deagle has the clip out and nothing in the chamber, take 4 seconds to pop it in be ready to shoot.

But as far as a cheap rifle, I like the M1 garand, the only one Ive ever shot/held is my grandpas. Accuracy meh ok, shots about as fast as you can pull the trigger, and you'll always know when to put in a new clip **cling**. Although I am not sure you can buy these or not. I have never seen one for sale or anything. but like you I am teh gun noob.

Question for you guys. What's a good rifle to start off with if you want to learn about sharp shooting and long range shooting?
I bet Supper knows.
damn, I never even saw those posts...

But as far as a cheap rifle, I like the M1 garand
where do you live that you can find M1's for cheap?

The cheapest M1 Garand I have found yet was a $600 "Refurbished" WWII relic.

If you are looking for a new M1 or M1A from springfield, expect to drop at least a grand on the gun and some tuning work to get it to shoot "good."

Well damn I didnt expect the mto be that much nowadays. Like I said my grandpas is the only one Ive seen. And he said he only paid 200$ for it and got 10 stripper clips with it. Maybe it was just luck.

well, its like most other "antiques"

the older they get, the more they cost.

Springfield saw this and decided they could make a killing by bringing the M1 and M1A back into production.

for the "Standard" M1A (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1a-stan.shtml) you are looking at ~ $1500 suggested retail. The gun shops I frequent will sell them to me for a couple hundred under that.

But who wants the Standard when an M1A should have some serious smith work done to it to shoot up to its full potential, and should have a smith tune it quite regularly IMO to keep it top notch.

If you are going to go M1A, might as well go National Match (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-national.shtml)

I wouldnt Mind having a KAR98 but thats just me.

If you can AFFORD it, get a AR15.......BUT there is nothing wrong with a AK.


I agree, I have never had a single problem with my AK. Just dont touch the barrel after you unload a 30 round clip. :rolleyes:

Hey i know its far too late for this to be any good for the original poster but i would have to say the best firearm for starting out would have to be a .22... Ammo is dirt cheap... has some practical uses... minimal recoil and muzzle blast.. and plus no matter how long you have been shooting you never get tired of lighting up some pop cans and assorted things all day out on the range and only spending $10 to do it

Before you go looking into AR's thinking it would be good for defense purposes i think your money would be better spent on an old SKS and go take a few classes at a decent school.

And Garands are more than just 'meh' for accuracy. SKS's are 'meh' accuracy, M1's are tackdrivers, so long as they're not piles of shit.