These guys mentioned a lot of things I have said in here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=viMPB_rXZrk

Intresting... but what is the point, it's not going to actually change any ones views.

Good stuff right there, but

it's not going to actually change any ones views.

+1, people are hard headed

lol

not the (very) tired Penn and Teller nonsense again...

if you are going to attempt to critique the Bible, at least post someone with credentials above a couple of has-been stand-up comics


You don't like Bullshit?

Granted I don't always agree with their conclusions but it's one of the better shows on television these days.

Oh, and they were never stand-up comics, they're magicians.

My friend showed me that under the pretext that it put up a good argument.

I was quite dissapointed.

There is a gif on 4chan that puts up a better argument then them . . .

they were (second rate) stand-up comics at one time, from what I remember...they've been around forever
I read their biography on their season 1 disc set of Bullshit. Stand-up was never mentioned.

If by stand-up you are refering to them up on a stage, performing magic tricks then I understand. For some reason, I thought that were speaking in terms of your conventional stand-up. You know, like: "what's the deal with ice tea?"

You have to admire their longevity though. Not many performers can remain as prominent in the business for 30 as they've been able to.

These guys aren't geniuses. And that is the real point. You don't need to be smart to realize that the Bible is bullshit. Why do you feel you need someone smarter than you or have a degree in something to tell you that logic is...logic?

Case in point. The FLOOOOOOOD!
No one survived after the flood. Even Noah and his family perished due to starvation. Because after all the water subsided, all the vegetation uprooted and died under miles of water, and all were covered by sediment. Never mind where all the water to cover the whole earth came from. Never mind how they got millions of species on board the Ark. Big problem to the story was, how were the animals getting off the ark was going to live on? What were the giraffes going to eat? And the elephants? Holy deep shit YZF! Did god made all evidence of this event disappear? Oh yeah, he threw a few micro organisms on a mountain top. :bigthumb:

I believe in the Noah story for a very long time. The more i walk on the Earth, the more it is to the truth as a cute story like many of us fiction writers write today.

Like the good folks in that link i gave you said, 'to be an atheist, read the bible.' So true! And the bullshit doesnt stop at the flood! There is more! Contradictions that puts so called 'gods words' unable to hold water. JESUS CHRIST!! dont take my word for it or YZF or the two bozos on the link...READ THE BIBLE!!!

I did.

conversely, you don't need to be "smart" to realize the Bible is the Word of the Almighty God

but you do need to be wise....and empowered by the Spirit of God

No one survived after the flood. Even Noah and his family perished due to starvation. Because after all the water subsided, all the vegetation uprooted and died under miles of water, and all were covered by sediment. Never mind where all the water to cover the whole earth came from. Never mind how they got millions of species on board the Ark. Big problem to the story was, how were the animals getting off the ark was going to live on? What were the giraffes going to eat? And the elephants?

this is a foolish comment, since crops could be readily planted after the flood

HEHE :bigthumb:

arguments raised for the Bible generally center on a few things

the problem is, the vast majority of people are completely ignorant

people believe what they are told ...people are sheep

Fixed:bigthumb:

Contradictions:

God delights in nullifying the 'wisdom of the wise'....the world's "elite" will all be utterly humbled...human pride will be eliminated

God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble

I Corinthians 1

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

Corinthians does not equal tooooooooo....

Proverbs 4:7
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

or

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight.

or

Ephesians 5:15
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise.

or how bout this gem...VV

1 Corinthians 1:27
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

does not equal to

1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion....

Yeah, cavemen not focused. Sabretooth must have invaded the camp.

the Bible makes a clear distinction between "worldly wisdom" or "human wisdom" (which is temporary) and Godly, spiritual wisdom (which is permanent)

no contradiction, only a lack of understanding (as always)

oh? show

yeah...um... didnt you make a point, like a few threads ago, that you needed to be wise to understand the bible, not smart? If so, how is saying god is wiser than man have to do with us?

To me, Corinthians speaks to us from a man who is trying to understand why god hides his wisdom from man. To answer such a riddle, the author thinks god has to be the uberest smartest wisest being in the whole flipping universe. And since man cant understand this, man pales in wisdom.

If god hide wisdom, how do we know he has wisdom? What if he hides evil? How do we know he isn't evil? How do we know god really isnt the devil and the devil isn't god. My god, this shit isnt any clearer.

Not logical Mr Corinthians. Fight off that sabretooth tiger and try again.

wisdom is right application of the right knowledge

alot of smart people are on the road to hell, because the do not have one or the other (or lack both)....they just know alot of stuff that adds up to nothing


You believe when people place their wisdom in places other than where you think wisdom should be, they are wrong and/or damned to hell.

"faith" or "trust" is really the correct term there

but, anyway...yes, absolutely....this is what God's Word clearly teaches

there is only God's plan for salvation and God's law...every other opinion in the universe is worthless, because no one is stronger than God

who will dare question God at the judgment? I suppose some will be foolish enough to try it

thank you, Mark. I like your answer.

xmas is coming is why I was nice. What you getting me, yzf?

Hooray!
:blue:

I Corinthians 2
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

what do you call a person who hides the truth from someone so that person will do evil because of ignorance that knowlege of the truth would prevent ?

it shouldn't matter............i mean if you're hell bent on showing others that their religion is wrong then you're as bad as YZF telling people they're going to hell for not being jesus lovers ( in the non sexual way).........

I don't care what YZF believes........I don't care what you believe..........just don't try to push your religion on me and we'll be cool......

the same applies to the people who constantly hound YZF about his religion..........

look.......you are tha last person that should be talking about logic......so just stop right there.

no one forced me to read your threads and no one forced me to read this thread........

I'm merely pointing out that trying to PROVE that your religion is false is just as bad as a christian trying to tell an atheist that he's going to hell for not believing and he should believe in God and love Jesus as the savior.

Liberal?? I'm far from that........but feel free to label me whatever you want....

i don't believe you.............i don't know why.......but i just don't.

my ability to think logically towers over you and your ilk

Your capacity to think logically towers over those who conclude that there is no God? What of those who blindly submit to the Lord, unhindered by thought and suspicion of doubt? How about those who think logically but revert to the old “His genius is too great for my comprehension” when something doesn’t make sense?

You’re ability to think logically dictates what you believe but to state that you are a better thinker than an atheist based solely on the merit of what he believe is unfair.


the question of origins or ultimate purpose in life will never be "proven", but there is plenty of evidence which side is right

Evidence of an ultimate purpose? As in a meaning to this life?

Please elaborate.

I don't care what you think ;)join the club.

no.......it's known as the rx7club.com

oh wait....you're not allowed there......HAHAHAHAHAHA


on a serious note.....how many times have you actually been banned from there......I want to say at least 10 times....

yes...the fool says in his heart, there is no God



there is a vast difference between "blind submission" to an angry tyrant and humble submission to a loving Savior

why is it bad to be a "fool" ?

because the angry tyrant will get you for it, or because the loving saviour will fail to prevent the angry tyrant from getting you for it ?


because no one is stronger than God

who will dare question God at the judgment? I suppose some will be foolish enough to try it

:bowdown: :screwyou: