One of our friends told us she was in trouble bc of a party she went to. Well, here it is... My friend saw the pictures and said they were really funny but the girl showing him was about to cry so he didnt ask her to send them to her.


Blacks mimicked; race relations questioned

By Alison Glass (Contact)
Originally published 02:32 p.m., January 29, 2007
Updated 08:58 p.m., January 29, 2007

CLEMSON, SC — Pictures posted on the Internet of a party showing white students dressed to mimic stereotypes of black people is bringing Clemson University unwanted attention.

In the aftermath of the event, Clemson University officials are meeting with students. A local fraternity has organized a meeting in Anderson about race relations.

“This is very appalling,” said Jay Blakenship, president of the Kappa Gamma Gamma chapter of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, a black-focused fraternity and the group organizing the Anderson meeting. “It should be appalling to everybody really.”

Pictures reportedly posted on Facebook, a social networking Internet site, show white Clemson students at a party in fake gang apparel.

A student is pictured with his body covered in black paint.

Students also are shown drinking what appears to be malt liquor. One female appears in the photos to have padded her buttocks.

University officials said Monday they became aware of the party over this past weekend. They said they met with students who were at the party and those who were offended by pictures posted of it on the Internet. According to WYFF 4 reports, school officials said some of the students who threw the party approached them in an effort to make things right once they heard people criticizing the party.

No official university student group — or fraternity or sorority — held the party, school officials said.

Clemson officials are receiving conflicting reports about whether the event, which happened off-campus, took place Jan. 14 or on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Jan. 15, said Altheia Richardson, the university assistant vice president for student affairs.

Students who organized the party have come forward to school officials to express a desire to reach out to those who were offended by the event and the pictures posted of it, said Robin Denny, the university news services director.

“The students said this was not intended to be offensive to anybody at all and (they) did not realize it would be,” Ms. Denny said.
MEETING IN RESPONSE TO STUDENT PARTY AT CLEMSON UNIVERSITY

When: 6:30 Jan.31

Where: Room C at Anderson County Library, 300 N. McDuffie St., Anderson

Romando James, Clemson University professor emeritus of family and youth development, is to moderate the meeting.

The students involved in organizing the event said it was a theme party, and they did not relate the theme to the timing of the event around Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Ms. Denny said.

School officials have heard from some students involved that the party theme was “gangsta,” Ms. Richardson said.

Officials plan to work to bring together by Friday the organizers of the party and those who were offended by the Facebook postings, to discuss how the Clemson community can move forward and grow from the incident and make sure similar events don’t happen again, Ms. Richardson said.

While the actions of those at the party were “distasteful and not meeting standards of integrity and respect,” they on the surface do not violate any university policies or, therefore, merit disciplinary action against students, Ms. Richardson said. If investigation shows that some students were harassed or singled out at the party or underage students drank alcohol at the party, disciplinary action could be taken, she added.

The school-sponsored Martin Luther King Jr. Day was an uplifting event, Ms. Richardson said.

“To have something like this, that in any way takes away from that mood and that spirit … is just very unfortunate,” she said.

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Clemson officials also are investigating reports that some black students attended the party and left after they saw the turn the gathering took, Ms. Richardson said.

Out of a total 17,309 students at the university, 1,145 are black, according to the university Web site.

Mr. Blankenship said he would like to see discussion about how to prevent such incidents from happening in the future. The meeting organizers are not looking for a blanket apology, but for discussion about what can be done to help people embrace black heritage in Anderson and the Upstate, Mr. Blankenship said.

“African-Americans have played a major role in America,” Mr. Blankenship said. “Look at the things we’ve done. Look at the role African-Americans have played in Anderson and Clemson.”

He said it’s difficult to explain the hurt and pain that an incident such as the one at Clemson causes a member of the black community. The community cannot “take two steps forward and five backward” in terms of respect shown among people of different backgrounds, he said.

“We want to try to have an event (today) to bridge the gap between races in Anderson and the Upstate,” he said.

A campus-wide forum took place at Tarleton State University in Texas on Jan. 24 after a party at that school was reportedly similar to the one at Clemson.


Got this in my email.

Dear Clemson:

I was appalled, angered and disappointed when I learned that a group of Clemson students participated in activities at an off-campus party that appeared to mock and disparage African Americans. Many people have been offended and deeply hurt.

Clemson is responding appropriately. Faculty, staff and student leaders are investigating the incident to determine if university policies were violated, holding debriefings to give students a chance to voice their feelings, and planning facilitated discussions to deal with the anger and hurt caused by this incident and begin the healing process. I sincerely appreciate their commitment. I had a chance to attend one such meeting last night and believe that it was a good first step.

I understand that many of the students involved in the party have come forward to apologize and reach out to those they have offended, and that is important and necessary. But more needs to be done. Ours must be a community that is inclusive, values each individual student, and embraces diversity for the value it adds to the educational experience. Each of us has a role to play, whether as educator, peer, parent or role model.

This can be an issue that divides us or unites us. It can be a teachable moment that leads to positive discussions in and outside the classroom. If we make the right choices, Clemson will emerge as a stronger university.

Sincerely,

James F. Barker, FAIA
President

Pics:

http://whns.static.worldnow.com/images/incoming/clemson%20pics/slideshow-320x240v2.html
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/wfaa/01-07/0125party.jpg

nothing good can come of this

nothing good can come of this
I don't see whats wrong with it. You should see the way the black people around here dress and act, makes you want to slap em. Especially when the white kids around here start trying to be like them.

The Smoking Gun has pics from another school that did that, as well. I find it interesting that this idea of celebrating MLK day by dressing as various black stereotypes is not unique to one school, but is actually all over the place.

what happened to vroom's awesome sig (courtesy sup man?)

classic stuff
you mean this one:

there was this black guy at the gas station in town this morning.

He was talkin all gangsta and shit.

and god bless her heart... the cashier chick looked at him and said "If you can't speak english, I can't help you." he got all pissed off, but us white boys in the store were just laughing our asses off.

holy shit! thats sumthin funny rite thar

*shrugs* Who gives a fuck?

I don't see what the big deal is. True, it's making fun of black stereotypes, but that's about all I see wrong here.

I wonder if the people who are most upset by this are ones that some of the attendees most closely resembled.

soooo uhhhhh I'm just going to post this because it pretty much DIRECTLY relates to this incident.

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oh yay it is going national. i just saw cnn filming.

A few years ago, one of the fraternity's here had a party (I think it was for halloween) and some of the guys went as the Jackson 5. I don't know if they painted they're whole bodies black, or just they're faces, but it was a HUGE deal. The fraternity was kicked off campus along with everyone involved in the "black face" incident. I didn't really see what the big deal was. They were going as the Jackson 5, who were black. It was part of the costume. If they hadn't painted up, the costume wouldn't have made sense.

*shrugs* Who gives a fuck?

I don't see what the big deal is. True, it's making fun of black stereotypes, but that's about all I see wrong here.

I wonder if the people who are most upset by this are ones that some of the attendees most closely resembled.


Wrong?

If you can't make fun of stereotypes what the hell can you make fun of? Plus you can't have it both ways. Allot of black comedians make and have made their livings by making fun of black stereotypes. So this is just a natural response to a holiday that is overrated and unnecessary.

Why can't you have a civil rights day or something? Why aren't you praising a good Republican like Abraham Lincoln he was shot for freeing you or all the Americans who died in the civil war? If Martin Luther King hadn't been killed he would just be Jessie Jackson.

If it didn't make ******s realize how plain stupid they look, they wouldn't care... by crying they agree this is what they look like, and that they do look stupid. If a bunch of black people dressed up in tight, high-water pants with suspenders and flannel shirts at a party... would white people cry? No, because white people don't give a shit. Yeah ******s, keep crying, it's what you do best...

If a bunch of black people dressed up in tight, high-water pants with suspenders and flannel shirts at a party... would white people cry? No, because white people don't give a shit.

Well, I suspect it would make the people who dress like that cry, but they generally do anyways.

No official university student group — or fraternity or sorority — held the party, school officials said.

Well then, no-one really has any grounds to do anything "officially" other then to complain.


But seirously, if you want to complain about the steriotype, go find some black dude who's actually enforcing the steriotype, and start complaining to him! That I would like to see!

Wrong?

If you can't make fun of stereotypes what the hell can you make fun of? Plus you can't have it both ways. Allot of black comedians make and have made their livings by making fun of black stereotypes. So this is just a natural response to a holiday that is overrated and unnecessary.

Why can't you have a civil rights day or something? Why aren't you praising a good Republican like Abraham Lincoln he was shot for freeing you or all the Americans who died in the civil war? If Martin Luther King hadn't been killed he would just be Jessie Jackson.

lol, well didn't we decide to hop on the ol' soapbox today?

First off, when I said 'wrong' I didn't mean it in the sense that it was something I strongly am against. Yes, stereotypes have been made fun of for some time all across the field. However, trying to justify cracks at races in the way that you are doesn't mean that it's right to do so. Since the textbook definition of a stereotype is "a negative or limiting preconceived belief about a certain type of person that is applied to everyone in that group", such a thing can be hurtful or damaging to others who are sensitive to such types of humor. The word 'wrong' might be a bit strong for the situation at hand, but it still conveys my idea that this wasn't a very smart idea for these folk to put into action knowing how high strung people can be about racial matters on that particular date. Then again, stereotype-themed parties rarely are a good idea when they're focused on all the bad points of a particular culture.

Second, you're entitled to your opinion about the holiday being "overrated and unnecessary" since holidays are all exactly that (I don't believe it should require an entire day that's blocked off and advertised to get people to remember significant events in the past). But for some people, this day isn't just meant to celebrate MLK in specific. It's to reflect on the struggles that some have had to overcome and how the world as we know it was a very different place no less then 50 years ago. Making such a judgement about something you have little to no relation or understanding of is disappointing, to say the least. I myself know MLK was no saint, and his real motives behind being a civil rights leader could definitely be called into question. However, the man behind the movement means very little when compared to the idea and hope for the future that he and all thoughtful people of the time shared. THAT is what the day really is supposed to symbolize.

Third, in response to that Civil Rights Day idea that you had, MLK day is actually known as that in AZ and NH. Same idea applies here as above. It's not so much the day and the man who matters, as it is the idea and rememberance.

Also: http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1987/081087d.htm

As for a reason why Abe Lincoln isn't celebrated for his part in freeing the slaves (which he is, btw.. His birthday may be Feb. 12th, but last I checked Presidents' Day was not one made to honor G.W. alone) in the form of his own federal holiday, that's up to the government to answer. However, discovering the answer as to why Lincoln isn't so strongly celebrated for his role in civil rights as MLK amongst some people can be found by simply doing your homework.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_4_55/ai_59110854

http://www.sobran.com/columns/1999-2001/000803.shtml

http://www.cyberlearning-world.com/nhhs/html/union.htm

http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/532/532_08_FreedTheSlaves.shtml

From what I understand, Lincoln's birthday was given up as a holidy to make room for mlk day. That could just be hearsay though.

From what I understand, Lincoln's birthday was given up as a holidy to make room for mlk day. That could just be hearsay though.

I'm interested in seeing a source for this claim, since this is the first time I've ever heard this explanation. The only thing I've heard of in regards to a holiday being given up or changed is back in the 80's when they expanded "Washington's birthday" to honor Lincoln and the other Presidents. When and how did you come across this info?

Not asking out of hostility or anything, just so you know. Just genuinely curious. :P

Abraham Lincoln day is feb 12th

Abraham Lincoln day is feb 12th

Not anymore, at least.

http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/Holidays/celebrate/abraham.html

"Until 1971, both February 12 and February 22 were observed as federal public holidays to honor the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln (February 12) and George Washington (February 22).

In 1971 President Richard Nixon proclaimed one single federal public holiday, the Presidents' Day, to be observed on the third Monday of February, honoring all past president of the United States of America."


So Lincoln actually did have his own day, till they decided to make things more efficient. :P

Not anymore, at least.

http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/Holidays/celebrate/abraham.html

"Until 1971, both February 12 and February 22 were observed as federal public holidays to honor the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln (February 12) and George Washington (February 22).

In 1971 President Richard Nixon proclaimed one single federal public holiday, the Presidents' Day, to be observed on the third Monday of February, honoring all past president of the United States of America."


So Lincoln actually did have his own day, till they decided to make things more efficient. :P
not a federal holiday anymore but it is in some states.

However, trying to justify cracks at races in the way that you are doesn't mean that it's right to do so. Since the textbook definition of a stereotype is "a negative or limiting preconceived belief about a certain type of person that is applied to everyone in that group", such a thing can be hurtful or damaging to others who are sensitive to such types of humor. The word 'wrong' might be a bit strong for the situation at hand, but it still conveys my idea that this wasn't a very smart idea for these folk to put into action knowing how high strung people can be about racial matters on that particular date. Then again, stereotype-themed parties rarely are a good idea when they're focused on all the bad points of a particular culture.
If stereotypes didn't have a high rate of truth, they wouldn't exist; it'd be tossed aside as nonsense. For example, there's probably 2 black guys in America that wear shirt pocket protectors. If I tried to start a stereotype that all black guys have shirt pocket protectors, thus nerds, it'd never be repeated by anyone, but me because no one else would observe this and it'd hole absolutely no truth to them. Furthermore, it's natural for humans to automatically "assume" things about people judging only by appearance because we notice patterns. For example, people that wear baseball caps sideways are complete rejects. We all think this because pretty much everyone we've encountered wearing a hat sideways has been a douche... so when we see someone, we subconciously already assume they're a tool. If most black people we've encountered didn't desire to be all "g'd up" and "gangsta", we wouldn't think this about them. 99% of black people that I've ever met have been selfish, arrogant, obnoxious, lazy, and yes, stupid. The 1% that didn't follow those guidelines was an outcast to other black people. Guess what? What I just described IS black culture. I'm glad black people saw how ridiculous they looked by white people dressing/acting like them, well because, that's what we see from black people everyday. Instead of crying about it being made fun of, maybe the black community should get together and try to change that instead of all focusing on trying to live like their favorite rapper.

Second, you're entitled to your opinion about the holiday being "overrated and unnecessary" since holidays are all exactly that (I don't believe it should require an entire day that's blocked off and advertised to get people to remember significant events in the past). But for some people, this day isn't just meant to celebrate MLK in specific. It's to reflect on the struggles that some have had to overcome and how the world as we know it was a very different place no less then 50 years ago. Making such a judgement about something you have little to no relation or understanding of is disappointing, to say the least.
Blah Blah Blah. Do you want to know the real reason for the day? Because throughout history, black people haven't done much of anything. In Africa, 0 progress has been made in the past 2,000 years in most parts. Here in the United States, the only accomplishment they've received is to be treated like humans. If a black man were to do something significant, the black community would be crying for that guy to have a day too. Not because everyone that does something significant deserves a day, but because there's more "white" days than "black days." Black people in America don't want to be American citizens living equally. Black people want to be segregated, just above everyone else. Most aren't willing to work for anything, but want to be given everything because they're black and they don't think they've had 100% equal opportunities in life. It's nothing but an excuse to be lazy. Slavery payment is the perfect example. I can probably prove that someone did my family members wrong at some point along the way and demand money for it too. Black people would say "that's stupid", and well, that's what slavery reperations are: stupid. MLK wanted people to be judged by "character of their content", without race playing any part whatsoever... if black people truly want that, why do they try to use being black to their advantage? If they don't get every little thing they want, they claim it's because their black. If the black community doesn't want to be thought of as "different" by others, stop seperating yourselves by playing your race card.

/rant.

:ditto:

Thanks Zero.

I'm feeling bad today I was putting off responding to that.

If stereotypes didn't have a high rate of truth, they wouldn't exist; it'd be tossed aside as nonsense. For example, there's probably 2 black guys in America that wear shirt pocket protectors. If I tried to start a stereotype that all black guys have shirt pocket protectors, thus nerds, it'd never be repeated by anyone, but me because no one else would observe this and it'd hole absolutely no truth to them. Furthermore, it's natural for humans to automatically "assume" things about people judging only by appearance because we notice patterns. For example, people that wear baseball caps sideways are complete rejects. We all think this because pretty much everyone we've encountered wearing a hat sideways has been a douche... so when we see someone, we subconciously already assume they're a tool. If most black people we've encountered didn't desire to be all "g'd up" and "gangsta", we wouldn't think this about them. 99% of black people that I've ever met have been selfish, arrogant, obnoxious, lazy, and yes, stupid. The 1% that didn't follow those guidelines was an outcast to other black people. Guess what? What I just described IS black culture. I'm glad black people saw how ridiculous they looked by white people dressing/acting like them, well because, that's what we see from black people everyday. Instead of crying about it being made fun of, maybe the black community should get together and try to change that instead of all focusing on trying to live like their favorite rapper.

Hmm, K. I'll concede on this one. You've got an excellent point, though I can't say that I agree that it IS black culture. It's in part of it, sure. But being popular doesn't mean that it's the same entirely. The last part of your quote here was the best, though I don't find particular interest in involving myself with the ignorant. That's mostly why I don't involve myself with "black community improvement" bish of that nature. BATMAN was right, I'm no team player. :D


Blah Blah Blah. Do you want to know the real reason for the day? Because throughout history, black people haven't done much of anything. In Africa, 0 progress has been made in the past 2,000 years in most parts. Here in the United States, the only accomplishment they've received is to be treated like humans.

LoL, ok...

If a black man were to do something significant, the black community would be crying for that guy to have a day too. Not because everyone that does something significant deserves a day, but because there's more "white" days than "black days."

Kwanzaa is about the only holiday I know of that was fabricated the same way you're suggesting. Other then that, I don't think I generally see any petitions circulating around....


Black people in America don't want to be American citizens living equally. Black people want to be segregated, just above everyone else. Most aren't willing to work for anything, but want to be given everything because they're black and they don't think they've had 100% equal opportunities in life. It's nothing but an excuse to be lazy.

Seeing how you're referring to the poorer part of black people in America, how can you be surprised that such a thing would happen? When you don't have anything to your name, you'll think of and use anything that would possibly justify getting something. Not all who are like that are deserving, however. That's just common sense, so i won't bother explaining further.


Slavery payment is the perfect example. I can probably prove that someone did my family members wrong at some point along the way and demand money for it too. Black people would say "that's stupid", and well, that's what slavery reperations are: stupid.

+1 on the reperations part. I've never endorsed the idea, nor will I change my stance in the future. I've long since forgave and forgotten, and I'm not even directly related to anything in the civil rights movement. Only people I could see being deserving of such a thing were people actually still alive who were directly affected by such acts. The chance of finding many who fit this criteria is slim, so why blow it out to such a magnitude that everyone needs to get paid for something they have no part in?

MLK wanted people to be judged by "character of their content", without race playing any part whatsoever... if black people truly want that, why do they try to use being black to their advantage? If they don't get every little thing they want, they claim it's because their black. If the black community doesn't want to be thought of as "different" by others, stop seperating yourselves by playing your race card.

/rant.

+2

lol, oh man... I feel like I've been down this road before...

Overall, a nice counter-arguement. Though all this really does is cosign with Amish's post, but to a greater degree. :D


:ditto:

Thanks Zero.

I'm feeling bad today I was putting off responding to that.

Sorry to hear that man, hope you'll feel better soon. :(

Sorry to hear that man, hope you'll feel better soon. :(


Thanks

I've had one of those headaches today that just won't go away. It's allot better now than it was.


"Maybe it's a tumor."

"It's not a tumor!"

http://images.vpro.nl/img.db?16392426+s(226)

Wow, I confused their with they're... I should proofread. Fuck.

I didn't read...but all I have to say is:


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Okay so there have been a multitude of meetings about this. I decided to go with 3 of my friends who write for the conservative newspaper here. The other guy with us damn near made the entire group of people want to kill him. They had no respect for personal rights or freedoms. We basically ended up arguing against "mandatory diversity training" and became "racists". It was a giant boohoo we're sorry fest. They're explanations were for the most part retarded.

"mandatory diversity training"
thats a crock of shit, University of Wyoming requires "diversety courses" to graduate, but guess what? No Anglo-Saxon Culture class. Its all "Native American Studies" "African American Studies" "African American Music" (nothing but rap is played/studied in that class from what I hear even though there should be a lot of Jazz) "Hispanic Studies" "Latino Studies" blah blah blah.

Its a crock of shit, and all those classes try to push how evil white man is. Especially when you go to African American studies and its some old black guy up on his soap box the whole semester.

We started to change the tone of the meeting toward the end. I really don't like the university telling me what I have to learn, what to do or punishing me for things I do OFF CAMPUS in the privacy of my own home.

Okay so there have been a multitude of meetings about this. I decided to go with 3 of my friends who write for the conservative newspaper here. The other guy with us damn near made the entire group of people want to kill him. They had no respect for personal rights or freedoms. We basically ended up arguing against "mandatory diversity training" and became "racists". It was a giant boohoo we're sorry fest. They're explanations were for the most part retarded.
Fuck I am SICK of Americans being such whiney pussies, especially the race card, the politically correct card, and the little bitch ass children of today.

Big rant, coming soon.

No need for a big rant.

Just act like yourself.

I made a joke about the Final Solution the other day, people were horrified. My friends and I all laughed, especially my Jewish friend Bob.

While I was in there all I could think of was how much it was like any other witch hunt. The people confessed and apologized and came up with lame excuses about how they didn't know it would be offensive and you know what? It shouldn't have been. The only thing I think was mildly offensive was that the one guy painted himself black. A guy explained "black face" to me and the history behind it and I didn't even think to associate it with that. I'd highly doubt most of the people in that meeting had any idea about it either. By the end of the whole 3 hour ordeal people were crying and hugging and the militant thugs left obviously pissed they didn't get to bust a cap.

Surprisingly enough, the most well-spoken guy there had a grill and wore sunglasses...

let's hear the joke, giant


You know, try as I might I can't remember how it went.

It had something to do with Wii Sports Golf, Aldolf Hitler, and his final solution for the wicked slice you get when you swing too hard...

Probably only funny in context anyway.