So, I've decided that since I'm "just a lab tech", I'll bust out my handy dandy AABB Technical Manual, and get all scientific up in this piece. Anything I cite directly from the AABB Technical Manual will be noted accordingly. I am also going to run this by my girlfriend, who also happens to be an ASCP Certified Medical Technologist, just to ensure 100% accuracy. Yes, this is the same AABB Technical Manual that someone at www.answersingenesis.org got their hands on, and managed to skim two or three pages of. Now, who exactly is the AABB? The American Association of Blood Banks (www.aabb.org) are the world experts in all things blood and transfusion related. It cannot happen in an American blood bank if the AABB doesn't give it approval, whether it's storage of packed cells, testing of QC, whatever. These guys are the end all be all of blood banking. Who is the ASCP? The American Society of Clinical Pathologists is the national licensing organization of Medical Technologists, Histotechnologists, and Cytotechnologists.

The purpose of this is to prove that the story in the Bible of all humans descending from Adam and Eve is impossible. This is probably going to read like stereo instructions to most of you, and for that, I apologize.

The first thing we need to discuss is the function of bone marrow in the body. Bone marrow is what produces your blood. It produces red cells, white cells, plasma and platelets. Red cells carry oxygen around your body from your lungs, and carbon dioxide back to your lungs from around your body. White cells fight off infection. Platelets are for helping you stop bleeding, and plasma is the liquid which helps all this stuff move around. There are roughly 6 million red cells in each milliliter or cubic centimeter of blood in your body. Those two terms are exactly equal in volume, and can be used interchangeably. For the sake of keeping this brief, we're going to focus ONLY on red cells.

Let's talk about blood types. There are four "major" blood types: A, B, AB, and O. There are Rh-positive and Rh-negative versions of each. There are also "minor" blood types, most of which are rare or exceedingly rare: A2, Rh null, Bombay phenotype just to name a few.

Here's the breakdown of blood types by percentage of population, taken from the AABB website:

O Rh-positive --- 38 percent
O Rh-negative --- 7 percent
A Rh-positive --- 34 percent
A Rh-negative --- 6 percent
B Rh-positive --- 9 percent
B Rh-negative --- 2 percent
AB Rh-positive --- 3 percent
AB Rh-negative --- 1 percent

Next up, what exactly are blood types, and how do they work?

Human blood type is determined by co-dominant alleles. An allele is one of several different forms of genetic information that is present in our DNA at a specific location on a specific chromosome.

There are three different alleles for human blood type:
Blood types: For simplicity, we call these:
IA A
IB B
i O
Genotypes
Each of us has two ABO blood type alleles, because we each inherit one blood type allele from our biological mother and one from our biological father. A description of the pair of alleles in our DNA is called the genotype.

Since there are three different alleles, there are a total of six different genotypes at the human ABO genetic locus.

So how do you explain the various blood types? That during evolution, early humans all over the earth spawned only coming up with 3 different alleles on such a huge scale?

Whether it be Adam and Eve or MonkeyBoy and MonkeyGirl... it makes more sense to me that 3 alleles came from 2 people rather than a million "evolvees" only managing to evolve 3 blood alleles.


Could lots of inbreeding cause mutation of alleles?

i'll pretend to be yzf and put up the AIG link

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i1/blood_types.asp

explain that! your fanciful stories of billions of years and of evil-ution are at an end. *maniacal laugh*

If Adam and Eve were genetically AO and BO, for example, their children could have had AB, AO, BO or OO genetic make-up, giving AB, A, B, or O blood types. Indeed, about 25% of their children would have been of each type (see the Punnet Square—below) 3.

____A O
B| AB BO
O| AO OO

is this true?

If Adam and Eve were genetically AO and BO, for example, their children could have had AB, AO, BO or OO genetic make-up, giving AB, A, B, or O blood types. Indeed, about 25% of their children would have been of each type (see the Punnet Square—below) 3.

____A O
B| AB BO
O| AO OO

is this true?

Eve was made from Adam's rib, therefore they should have the same blood type, no?

If Adam and Eve were genetically AO and BO, for example, their children could have had AB, AO, BO or OO genetic make-up, giving AB, A, B, or O blood types. Indeed, about 25% of their children would have been of each type (see the Punnet Square—below) 3.

____A O
B| AB BO
O| AO OO

is this true?

No. O is recessive. If Adam and Eve were AO and BO, respectively (which is quite impossible), their children would be predominantly AB.

Now, why do I say that Adam and Eve couldn't be AO and BO? Two reasons:

1) Eve was supposedly created from Adam's rib. In my opening post, I said that blood is produced by the bone marrow. Adam's marrow would only produce his blood type. If Adam was type A, he would only produce type A blood. So, if Eve was created from Adam's rib, she would have Adam's marrow, thereby producing blood identical to Adam's.

2) For Adam to be AO, he would have to have an A parent and an O parent. For Eve to be BO, she would have to have a B parent and an O parent. Again, Adam was created from dust, therefore would have a pure pair of alleles: A and A, or O and O, or B and B. Since Eve was created from Adam's marrow, she would have the same types and same alleles.

So, I've decided that since I'm "just a lab tech", I'll bust out my handy dandy AABB Technical Manual, and get all scientific up in this piece. Anything I cite directly from the AABB Technical Manual will be noted accordingly. I am also going to run this by my girlfriend, who also happens to be an ASCP Certified Medical Technologist, just to ensure 100% accuracy. Yes, that's right...Your girlfriend will make all of the BS you say automatically be truth, because as we all know, 2 wrongs make it all "right". :rolleyes: Yes, this is the same AABB Technical Manual that someone at www.answersingenesis.org got their hands on, and managed to skim two or three pages of. Now, who exactly is the AABB? The American Association of Blood Banks (www.aabb.org) are the world experts in all things blood and transfusion related."Worldy" science is a scantly visible candle in the gargantuan light of the Truth. It gets blown out by the God breathed Word.
The Truth crushes your "Worldly experts."

End of story.
It cannot happen in an American blood bank if the AABB doesn't give it approval, whether it's storage of packed cells, testing of QC, whatever. These guys are the end all be all of blood banking. Who is the ASCP? The American Society of Clinical Pathologists is the national licensing organization of Medical Technologists, Histotechnologists, and Cytotechnologists.Man is not the "end all and be all" of anything. God is the beginning and the end. What man has done in between is just evil.
The purpose of this is to prove that the story in the Bible of all humans descending from Adam and Eve is impossible. This is probably going to read like stereo instructions to most of you, and for that, I apologize. Because it's as man-made as a stereo?
The first thing we need to discuss is the function of bone marrow in the body. Bone marrow is what produces your blood. It produces red cells, white cells, plasma and platelets. Red cells carry oxygen around your body from your lungs, and carbon dioxide back to your lungs from around your body. White cells fight off infection. Platelets are for helping you stop bleeding, and plasma is the liquid which helps all this stuff move around. There are roughly 6 million red cells in each milliliter or cubic centimeter of blood in your body. Those two terms are exactly equal in volume, and can be used interchangeably. For the sake of keeping this brief, we're going to focus ONLY on red cells.

Let's talk about blood types. There are four "major" blood types: A, B, AB, and O. There are Rh-positive and Rh-negative versions of each. There are also "minor" blood types, most of which are rare or exceedingly rare: A2, Rh null, Bombay phenotype just to name a few.

Here's the breakdown of blood types by percentage of population, taken from the AABB website:

O Rh-positive --- 38 percent
O Rh-negative --- 7 percent
A Rh-positive --- 34 percent
A Rh-negative --- 6 percent
B Rh-positive --- 9 percent
B Rh-negative --- 2 percent
AB Rh-positive --- 3 percent
AB Rh-negative --- 1 percent

Next up, what exactly are blood types, and how do they work?I can hardly wait, witch-boy.













(How'd I do? :D )

(How'd I do? :D )

You forgot the Bible quotes.

You forgot the Bible quotes.
I picked one of those things up once and burnt my fuckin fingerprints off!

(How'd I do? :D )

Perfect scores, except for the East German judge, who gave you a 5.8. :D

Go dance around a fire naked, and then burn in it, witch-boy.

So how do you explain the various blood types? That during evolution, early humans all over the earth spawned only coming up with 3 different alleles on such a huge scale?

Whether it be Adam and Eve or MonkeyBoy and MonkeyGirl... it makes more sense to me that 3 alleles came from 2 people rather than a million "evolvees" only managing to evolve 3 blood alleles.


Could lots of inbreeding cause mutation of alleles?


It's thought that there was a population bottle-neck a long while ago (can't remember the number). The human population was brought down to very low numbers, as low as 1-2 thousand people. This would explain the blood types and the fact that we are so close genetically.

No. O is recessive. If Adam and Eve were AO and BO, respectively (which is quite impossible), their children would be predominantly AB.

Now, why do I say that Adam and Eve couldn't be AO and BO? Two reasons:

1) Eve was supposedly created from Adam's rib. In my opening post, I said that blood is produced by the bone marrow. Adam's marrow would only produce his blood type. If Adam was type A, he would only produce type A blood. So, if Eve was created from Adam's rib, she would have Adam's marrow, thereby producing blood identical to Adam's.

2) For Adam to be AO, he would have to have an A parent and an O parent. For Eve to be BO, she would have to have a B parent and an O parent. Again, Adam was created from dust, therefore would have a pure pair of alleles: A and A, or O and O, or B and B. Since Eve was created from Adam's marrow, she would have the same types and same alleles.

That is assuming a whole lot :P

If God can create man from dust, he could make his blood type whatever He wanted, it's trivial. Also you are assuming He would not modify the rib in any form while creating woman from it?

Imagine a shapely woman . . . with one man-rib!

That is assuming a whole lot :P

If God can create man from dust, he could make his blood type whatever He wanted, it's trivial. Also you are assuming He would not modify the rib in any form while creating woman from it?

Imagine a shapely woman . . . with one man-rib!

You're right, I'm assuming a whole lot!

Of course, we could go off of the whole "God made man from dust, then took his rib and made a woman" idea, which is just so much more believable. :rolleyes:

There's nothing for man to "assume" in the God breathed Truth.
All man's assumptions are trivial speculation designed to dodge his responsibility to the Lord, God.

You're right, I'm assuming a whole lot!

Of course, we could go off of the whole "God made man from dust, then took his rib and made a woman" idea, which is just so much more believable. :rolleyes:

Just saying, you're not disproving anything with your statement. You made some assumptions and then showed why they (the assumptions) would be wrong :p


However, I do belive God made man from dust.

How is it hard to belive that a being that created TIME ITSELF also created man from dust?

Well, I guess it's pretty easy to go from one to the other like that, if yer that gullible.

How is it hard to belive that a being that created TIME ITSELF also created man from dust?

Fine, what created God, then?

Certainly not us!

Fine, what created God, then?

Xenu? lol

Certainly not us!

Yeah, because we know the human race has never created God.

Or, no, everyone else who has created a God is wrong, every book about religion is wrong, but it's the Christians who have a firm grasp on the truth. :rolleyes:

It's the "Great Race" to nofuckinwhere, man! All these religions think they're "the chosen ones" to be saved by their "God", and they think that gives them the right to step on each others faces as they clamour for control of the "Holy Land".

Hysterical.
To bad those stupid fuckers are all "embedded" among the rest of the human race, and insist on dragging us all into the vorticies of their despair.
I wish they would all just drop dead at exactly the same time so mankmind can get on with it's thusly stifled course of intellectual evolution.

But alas, too many fruitcakes have pissed in the gene pool.

I eagerly await the new "antiChrist", as the dawn of self fulfilling religious prophecy is ensured by the psychozealots.

ah yes, the "highly evolved" human mind brings forth wonderful, loving people like Hitler and Nietzsche :rolleyes:

It also brings about people like Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein.

Yeah, because we know the human race has never created God.

Or, no, everyone else who has created a God is wrong, every book about religion is wrong, but it's the Christians who have a firm grasp on the truth. :rolleyes:


QUIZ TIME!


How many instances of sarcastic speech can you find in the bible? :)

Actually, yzf you remind me of Hitler. Just like him you are an elitist. You think that your religion is better then anyone elses and all others are damned. You also wish harm to come to those who stand against you. Hitler had his super-race, you have your religion. Both of you had no tolerance for people who were not of like mind, or in hitlers case, race.

I'm talking about your beliefs. Its not hard to understand. You may not claim to be one but your posts paint a completely different picture. Is it that hard to understand the post. I would think anyone with an 8th grade reading level could understand it.

Nah, I'm not offended. I don't care enough about you to be offended. I'm not weak in my beliefs. I just see them for what they are.

As for tolerance not being in the Bible, it just goes to show you how hateful your belief system is. Believe me if people were not "tolerant" with you, I believe you would be dead, as would I. Its not a threat just a statement. Without tolerance, this world would be a much more horrible place. Its too small for people to hate entire races or religious sects.

OK, enough of the bickering, back to the topic of the thread.

I'll post more about blood tonight.

Mmmm, blood.

My bad didn't mean to make it stray. Just pointed out an observation.

you're simply weak in what you believe (who knows what that is), and offended by me
...Because you're offensive?

Who do you not offend, Mark?

How many Bible believing Christians are on this forum?

Really, if anyone knows who is a "true Christian" on this forum, it's you.
You're failing to answer the question of which you know the answer simply because you can see what's coming next...

-That you knowingly offend [the entire forum membership here (minus "X" Christians)], from which we can actually calculate a real percentile.

You are therefore, kowingly, purposely, OFFENSIVE.

...Still don't speak "Christinsanity".

Use the power of your love for God the resides deep inside your heart to explain what you mean, Mark. Not the Bible.
Any asshole can study and know the Bible (as you demonstrate perfectly.), but few can articulately explain any of it without letting their assholism seep out like a fart in chuch while they do.

You are DODGING THE ISSUE; That being that you don't simply represent the minority here, you represent NOBODY here besides yourself.

Therefore, the burden of fully explaining yourself, as well as the burden of not being offensive to everyone, IS YOUR BURDEN!

End of Story. ;)

All he is saying is that you should explain yourself with your own words not passages from an old ass book.

I didn't intend for old to mean anything more then just that.....old.

I type enough of my opinion here, believe me

Yeah, I'll second that.

You type MORE than enough.

The opinions that you type are always condescending, puerile, or just plain offensive in nature, and are always regarding a person or people.

Without the Bible, you have nothing.
I'm certain you believe that without the Bible, we ALL have nothing.
But like I say, the majority of us here do not speak, nor can we read, Christinsanity.

If all you can offer is scripture, combined with your obnoxious, offensive, condescending opinions, then you fail to teach.
If you are a poor teacher, then you HURT the chances for anyone to learn properly what it is you wish for them to learn, should they have the opportunity to be taught later by someone competent.

In other words, by you being a dick all the time, you actually do more harm than good. (Read my signature. Again.)

I'm competent...not a gifted pastor-teacher per se, but competent
You may be well versed in scripture, but you are most certainly NOT a competent teacher.

...and agin, I couldn't quite catch that last post. It appears to be written in some kind of strange nonsensical script.

I'd have to agree with D.L., a competent teacher would know that the best way to get someone to learn is to get them interested in it first, not shoving the shit down their throats.

In other words, by you being a dick all the time, you actually do more harm than good. (Read my signature. Again.)

He's never going to quite grasp the concepts that being a hypocrite and insulting others makes all of his self-righteous bullshit never be considered.

why are you here asking questions, then?

and, again, I never claimed to be "righteous", mr. pharisee

clean up your own backyard before you even think about talking about mine


Ahh, the classic self-righteous christian quote... "clean up your own backyard before you point at mine."

Too predictable, vindictive, and typical of "Christians."

not that this belongs here, but I don't receive criticism from someone who has zero credibility/respect, esp outside the faith

That's right yzf, it is part of the "Christian" religion to not admit ones wrong doings but rather avoid the pointing out of these faults by saying "I DONT RESPECT YOU"..... that's exactly what Christ would do, isn't it?

That's right yzf, it is part of the "Christian" religion to not admit ones wrong doings but rather avoid the pointing out of these faults by saying "I DONT RESPECT YOU"..... that's exactly what Christ would do, isn't it?
http://www.playwithlinn.com/Images/funny%20pics/oh%20snap.jpg

...whenever you think I should come back, Zero, just PM me. ;)

Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

then we who knew better can sit around drinking cool drinks and laugh at their foolishness and pain, well deserved for the evil of trying to find their way in the darkness.

more accurately, railing against what God has spoken and lying in the bed (tomb) you made for yourself

without God, no one has life....no one has anything

god made the bed, god made the ditch, god made the darkness, god made the tomb.

god made the lies that the blinded believed that led them to the ditch that god laid as a trap for them.

God speaks the truth....man (and women) believe lies


QUOTE=yzf-r1
God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie