I don't really know much about guns... but lets say I acquired the following:

A smith & wesson sw9ve 9mm
4 clips total
a holster that holds an extra clip on top of the gun
original blue smith & wesson box
all original paperwork and the receipt for the gun alone - $420

It was purchased new in march of this year, and has had 2 clips fired through it. Looks brand new, in perfect shape.

Good gun?

What's it worth?

Not a big fan of S&W or 9MM's. I'd keep looking.

From Gunblast.com


The suggested retail is just $369, but I have seen this gun retail for around 280 bucks.

$100 in it... and some parts I got for free which would've probably eventually been stolen anyway. :)

Good deeeeeeel.

That's a good deal.

Even with my limited knowledge, upon working on my dads S&W 9mm, I was not impressed.

Great deal, considering the cheapest I've been able to find for the gun itself is $289

SA XD .45 Ftw.

I'm taking offers... :)

If you're gonna sell it online make sure you transfer it to a FFL in the area of the buyer and not just send it to the buyer. I know you're not an idiot but I knew a guy who got into serious shit doing that on GunBroker.

What about if I sell it locally?

No need for an FFL if you sell locally however I would:

1. Get a bill of sale including name/date and TIME you sold it to the guy. Also get his DL number.

2. Make sure you're not selling to a felon.


Other than that you are good to go. The bill of sale should be signed by both individuals. It will save your ass if you sell it to the guy and he hauls ass 20 minutes later and kills his gf/wife or holds up a bank. Never be too careful.

Oh and of course make a copy or write up two bills if needed.

http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2923&stc=1&d=1224202875

BTW, clip, magazine.

7.62x54R cartidges i believe.

But hes right. clip = "stripper clip" which was a piece of metal that aided in the quick loading of internal magazines of rifles.

It's a clip. I don't care gun nuts. :)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that gun usually has a really rough trigger, from everything I've read (I've only shot one sw9ve, it was definitely rough, very hard pull). If you decide to keep it, you might want to get a trigger job.

I wanna say its a 9.5 pound pull.

Cheapest Ive seen is $299.99 - $50 mail in rebate at Academy Sports. After tax, still $267.49 so $100 is a steal.

Took it out and shot it for the first time this weekend... went through a 100 round box... My friend has a sw40ve, you can def tell the difference in the recoil.

Well...yes.. ones a 9mm, ones a .40, out of basically the same gun.

FWIW: All 9mm's should be glocks, and all glock 9mm's should be G19's.

there is something to be said about a gun that goes bang no matter what. And this thread is worthless without pics.

I shot an sw9ve back-to-back with my XD45C, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference in recoil. The owner of the other gun did the same thing, and said he couldn't feel any different in recoil either. Why would that be? Both were shooting either WWB or blazer.

FWIW: All 9mm's should be glocks, and all glock 9mm's should be G19's.

there is something to be said about a gun that goes bang no matter what. And this thread is worthless without pics.

I almost decided on a G19, but after holding it, it just felt weird in my hand, like it was square. It was between that and the XD, and the XD just fit my hand so much nicer. Everyone said how it feels in my hand is what's most important, so I went with the XD. Then I decided I'd go for the 45 instead of the 9, I figured, what the hell, bigger is better? (maybe not, but that was my thinking at the time)

How do you like the XD? Thats gonna be my carry weapon if I keep seeing it at gun shows winking at me.

It's my first and only gun so far, but I have I think 550 rounds through with absolutely no problems. I really like it.

I've had the chance to shoot a few other guns at the range, and still love mine. I also let other folks shoot mine, and they all seem to love it. Went one time in the middle of a week day (on a business trip), and met two guys who had their complete arsenal there, they seemed really experienced. I fired off a Ruger they had, I was told I would hate any gun after shooting that one, but nah, I still preferred mine. They shot mine, and one guessed that I paid $900 for it, he said it was a very nice weapon. I think I paid $530 (can't exactly remember right now) for the 45 compact in bi-tone. It's purdy.

Let me know if you're every in the Tallahassee area, we could go shoosting.

Cool I'd love to go shoosting with ya! ;)

I almost decided on a G19, but after holding it, it just felt weird in my hand, like it was square. It was between that and the XD, and the XD just fit my hand so much nicer. Everyone said how it feels in my hand is what's most important, so I went with the XD. Then I decided I'd go for the 45 instead of the 9, I figured, what the hell, bigger is better? (maybe not, but that was my thinking at the time)

I have a friend who has an XD45C and it certainly likes to just sit in your hand, almost like it was meant to be held. I am still trying to decide which pistol I want to get, but I don't think the XD will find it's way home with me. :(

Glock 21 after being buried for 19 months (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=65926&page=1)
Glock 21 torture test prior to being buried for 19 months (http://archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=13658) including being shot and being thrown out of a plane.

Whoa, man. Chill out.

I have NO WAY of firing ANY pistol before buying it, without driving literally 3 hours to the closest shooting range that rents guns. Other folks told me, "ask someone you know that has a bunch of guns to let you shoot them." I don't know anybody else with any guns, aside from my dad with a rusty shot gun, and the guy with the SW9VE. I had to go off of online reviews and how they both felt in my hand, that's the best I could do. I'll report back when it breaks, and say "you were right."

Meh fuck that shit, my best friend is ex-Army and now works with the IRC Sheriffs Dept as a Cop/SWAT member. I told him about wanting to pick up an SAXD-45 and he was all for it. No doubt Glocks are tough but they werent really shit up until people figured out you could sneak them through metal detectors back in the day. I like his Glock 30 now but the feeling of the SA gets me, Im with Baldy on this one. They just feel better in your hand.

They feel better when "test driving." I had a hardon for an XD until I went out and ran a couple thousand rounds through my 17. I have come to the understanding that it doesn't matter how a gun 'fits' your hand, its more in how open you are to adapt to a system that simply works.

Function over form, and when it comes right down to it there is no more functional gun then a Glock.

are you fucking serious?

You delete that post just because I call em as I see em?

If I think you are a fucking idiot I'm going to call you a fucking idiot, simple as that. A person's opinion on a gun based soley on how it felt in their hand is fucking retarded. We all do it at the gun store, its the only way to try it out, but who in their right fucking mind buys a gun simply because it feels good in their hand?

I'm sure that might work with dildos and vibrators, but with firearms thats something entirely different.

Just like shouldering a rifle/shotgun. Sure it might feel like pure sex and come up and point easy, but it might beat the ever loving hell out of you due to a completely fucked stock design.

Same thing goes for pistols, might feel like it belongs in your hand but not work for shit once you run some serious rounds through it. And don't start lamenting me with the impressive round count of a gun until it gets up around 10k - 15k. I know I haven't ran that much through my glocks yet but have seen many of them.



In short, who gives a flying fuck if it doesn't fit your hand? Buck up, borrow one, and shoot the dog piss out of it. Then, and only then, can you make an informed decision on if the gun is a good fit for you.



edit: and yes, it took me this long to realize the post was gone.

I wasn't trying to impress anybody, he asked me how I liked it. I in now way said any other gun was inferior, just saying how I chose it. My options were very limited. I couldn't borrow one, sorry you weren't around when I made my dumbass decision. Lesson learned.

The only reason the post that was deleted was worded that way was to try and get you to realize there was more to gun buying then just how a gun "fits your hand."

I used to be that way until an older gentlemen thats BTDT took me under his wing and laid it out in a no-bullshit manner much the way I put that last post out there.

The reason the post that is still there is worded that way is because when the fuck did TFL become all touchy feely? Jesus H Christ, I belong to a few special interest sites where they edit the shit out of things they don't agree with but its worth dealing with just for the info contained. This place doesn't have the info to back that kind of action.

The only reason the post that was deleted was worded that way was to try and get you to realize there was more to gun buying then just how a gun "fits your hand."

I used to be that way until an older gentlemen thats BTDT took me under his wing and laid it out in a no-bullshit manner much the way I put that last post out there.

The reason the post that is still there is worded that way is because when the fuck did TFL become all touchy feely? Jesus H Christ, I belong to a few special interest sites where they edit the shit out of things they don't agree with but its worth dealing with just for the info contained. This place doesn't have the info to back that kind of action.

Reported.

I reported the post. I didn't appreciate being called a fucking idiot when I wasn't even soliciting opinions. He asked about my gun, I replied, then you decided to "lay it out in a no-bullshit manner" which really sounded like someone being a dickwad.

Well, if you are that uptight; simply put, fuck you.

I was kidding when I said reported :O

Glocks are tough but they werent really shit up until people figured out you could sneak them through metal detectors back in the day. .

Bullshit and myth, spread around by people who are retards. I guess they forget that the the barrel, action, magazine spring and, oh yeah, AMMUNITION is all made of very dense metal. The bradys made that stupid shit up to scare them into trying to ban the new "Undetecatble plastic gun!!!!

I can see a plastic barrel working . . . once . . .

I can see a plastic barrel working . . . once . . .

What about CF?

Bullshit and myth, spread around by people who are retards. I guess they forget that the the barrel, action, magazine spring and, oh yeah, AMMUNITION is all made of very dense metal. The bradys made that stupid shit up to scare them into trying to ban the new "Undetecatble plastic gun!!!!


Im sorry I should have said Xray machines. I do remember an incident of someone getting one on to a plane way back.


The Glock is a great platform period but you cant take anything away from the XD's. They are good guns. Trying to reason that to a Glock fanatic is like tryin to tell a Chevy fan about Fords new engine design. They are gonna think its shit from the get go.

Im sorry I should have said Xray machines. I do remember an incident of someone getting one on to a plane way back.


The Glock is a great platform period but you cant take anything away from the XD's. They are good guns. Trying to reason that to a Glock fanatic is like tryin to tell a Chevy fan about Fords new engine design. They are gonna think its shit from the get go.

Even x-rays cannot pass through steel. And brass. And lead. And i highy doubt that the really dense polymer that they use would be completely transparent. It's probably more the fault of the x-ray technican being an idiot, but i'd need to see proof of such incident.

What about CF?

Isn't CF not good with shock?

I was kidding when I said reported :O
The fuck you was directed towards the moron that reported the post in the first place.

you cant take anything away from the XD's. They are good guns.
That depends on what you mean by good.

Good range gun? By all means they excel in that area.
Good safe queen? They are even better at that. They look good sitting on the shelf next to the old wheel guns.
Good carry gun? Only if you don't ever plan on using it.
Good fighting pistol? Not in a million years.

Their mags malfunction at the first sign of grit. There has yet to be an XD make it through a 1,000 round two day course of fire without a single magazine related issue. This is starting to be solved by using stiffer mag springs to overcome the friction caused by the dirt/dust/grime/grit/whatever in the mag.

They fail to go into battery when any number of issues are present. One of which could be grit/grime in the magwell causing the mags to not seat correctly, yet still be contacting the mag catch.

There have been several docummented issues with the Extractor, much like some of the early generation glocks had issues with the ejectors.

Then there is the issue of XD's actually chambering a round when any kind of dust/grit/grime is present on the cartridge. Let alone the FTE's that are associated with this exact same thing, just in reverse.






Now, tell me just why, exactly, would you trust your life to a weapon with this many issues?

Give the XD a few more years to iron out the small issues that only rear their head when ran hard and I'll take another look at them. Until then there is still only one pistol that will handle anything thrown at it and still go *bang* every time you pull the trigger.

The 1911 is a close second, but fails simply due to the limpwrist issue and stovepipes. You aren't always going to have the perfect grip or stance in a defensive position, and you need both when running a 1911.

Holy shit I think I had some sand in my vagina yesterday. It's been a rough week.

maybe its just me but I still cant bring myself to get a S&W ever since I had a model 639 9mm. That thing was a first class piece of shit. It wouldnt shoot anything close to an acceptable group even at 10 meters. Sent it back to Smith twice and they couldnt get it accurate either. I do miss my old 629 combat magnum in .44 though, but I'm not one to carry wheelguns.

Yah the only wheeler I have ever carried is my CA .38 Special Snub.


Looks like this guy:

http://www.adamsauctioneers.com/images/1920/Guns/P1010025.JPG

Even their revolvers have the stupid lock on them, hence why i refuse S&W products now. I'll go with ruger, tyvm. Yeah, their triggers are not as good OUT OF THE BOX, but they're built like tanks and the company stands behind their product.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Ruger%20SP101%20Report_files/image026.jpg

Except mines got the hogue grip.

I have that lock on my 686, I never use it though.

I just don't like the fact that S&W bowed down to the antis and installed a fuckin internal lock on a wheelgun. Forchrissake.

Oh i forgot to mention about the ruger; with a little trigger work, and a $15 set of lightened wolf springs, it's action is just as good as any S&W. The trigger work i did myself with a dremel, some rubbing and polishing compound, and about an hour of work.

I believe it. I've done two trigger jobs so far and the difference was amazing.


The craziest was a CZ-82. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GUN NOW.

Yah my SKS was complete shit until I did one. The guy I sold it to was real impressed with it compared to his Chinese SKS.

with a little trigger worknever never never never never never never never never never NEVER do trigger work on a carry gun. That is a loss waiting to happen when it comes to a lawsuit, because you should know a lawsuit WILL happen if you have to use that gun for the purpose it was designed for.

The trigger work i did myself with a dremel, some rubbing and polishing compound, and about an hour of work.
How hard have you tested this self mod trigger?

"A dremel does not a gunsmith make."

A dremel tool should require a $200 transfer tax and stamp to own. At least then people wouldn't be taking them to their guns. If its a carry gun, leave it the fuck alone or take it a competent gunsmith that would document the work done and be willing to testify in court. It comes down to CYA.

here is a quote you need to read until it gets burned into your brain:

More bad shit has happened with a Dremel tool than ever happened with "I dare you to"......

never never never never never never never never never never NEVER do trigger work on a carry gun. That is a loss waiting to happen when it comes to a lawsuit, because you should know a lawsuit WILL happen if you have to use that gun for the purpose it was designed for.


How hard have you tested this self mod trigger?

"A dremel does not a gunsmith make."

A dremel tool should require a $200 transfer tax and stamp to own. At least then people wouldn't be taking them to their guns. If its a carry gun, leave it the fuck alone or take it a competent gunsmith that would document the work done and be willing to testify in court. It comes down to CYA.

here is a quote you need to read until it gets burned into your brain:

I never claimed to be a gunsmith. It's my carrygun and it's fine, mr. knowitall. And a civil lawsuit will NOT happen in this state if it's deemed a good shoot. I didn't touch the sear because I didn't need to, just the cam and a couple friction zones. I don't have to be a gunsmith to not completely fuck up the trigger action of the gun, thanks.

+1

mr. knowitall.
:blah:

Just trying to get a different perspective out there then what is seen in the gun rags. And if you think a civil lawsuit won't happen, you need to give yourself a reality check, if a person wants to sue you bad enough it will happen. It will cost you time, and it will cost you effort. Sure, the state might help you with getting it dismissed but it won't be some miracle cure.

The reason I made the comments about doing the trigger job yourself is that if that came out in court, it could be grounds for the lawsuit to continue or for one to be filed in the first place. This is the same reason you should only carry ammo purchased off the shelf. Its all CYA. If you feel comfortable carrying that weapon after you put your dickbeaters to its internals, it is your own ass in the sling.




and ya know, since I am a confirmed Mr. Knowitall now; you should have just shot the fucking thing until the trigger smoothed up if all it took was what you said...

Duly noted.

Continuing; ones best bet is to fire a few different pistols if possible, ones with good reputations for not being pieces of shit, and find which one is the most comfortable to shoot/ you're the best shot with.

I changed the springs out too. Not everything is solved by dryfiring the piss out of it either. It's helped, but it still wouldn't be what it is today if i din't do some slicking.

they are decent guns no matter what alot of people say i had one and wouldnt mind another

Xplain.