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Join in on this Discussion and see the pictures. Click here-> : Could our big brains come from Neanderthals?


BATMAN
11-08-2006, 05:52 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/TECH/science/11/08/neanderthals.brains.reut/vert.neanderthal.afp.gi.jpg

Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift -- a gene that helped them develop superior brains, U.S. researchers reported Tuesday.

And the only way they could have provided that gift would have been by interbreeding, the team at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of Chicago said.

Their study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, provides indirect evidence that modern Homo sapiens and so-called Neanderthals interbred at some point when they lived side by side in Europe.

"Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising. But our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed advantageous variants into the human gene pool that subsequently spread," said Bruce Lahn, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute researcher at the University of Chicago who led the study.

Scientists have been debating whether Neanderthals, who died out about 35,000 years ago, ever bred with modern Homo sapiens. Neanderthals are considered more primitive, with robust bones but a smaller intellect than modern humans.

Lahn's team found a brain gene that appears to have entered the human lineage about 1.1 million years ago, and that has a modern form, or allele, that appeared about 37,000 years ago -- right before Neanderthals became extinct.

"The gene microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size during development and has experienced positive selection in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens," the researchers wrote.

Positive selection means the gene conferred some sort of advantage, so that people who had it were more likely to have descendants than people who did not. Lahn's team estimated that 70 percent of all living humans have this type D variant of the gene.

"By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates," Lahn said.

The researchers reached their conclusions by doing a statistical analysis of the DNA sequence of microcephalin, which is known to play a role in regulating brain size in humans. Mutations in the human gene cause development of a much smaller brain, a condition called microcephaly.

By tracking smaller, more regular mutations, the researchers could look at DNA's "genetic clock" and date the original genetic variant to 37,000 years ago.

They noted that this D allele is very common in Europe, where Neanderthals lived, and more rare in Africa, where they did not. Lahn said it is not yet clear what advantage the D allele gives the human brain.

"The D alleles may not even change brain size; they may only make the brain a bit more efficient if it indeed affects brain function," Lahn said.

Now his team is looking for evidence of Neanderthal origin for other human genes.

BATMAN
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
I think it's probably true that those 2 mixed.

Just look at white folks.

They range so much in hair/skin color as well as breast/genital size......

ComradeGiant
11-08-2006, 06:15 PM
I still say you should limit your use of the word "bias" in a negative connotation. It makes you sound hypocritical since you are promoting your own bias which is backed with no physical evidence but a book with questionable origins.

You should take a rhetoric class, it would do your arguments wonders.

razorback
11-08-2006, 06:35 PM
always view the data how they want to view it, according to their hopelessly biased agenda

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czarofzar
11-08-2006, 07:16 PM
faith is required with either model
Incorrect.
Faith is required on matters that is impossible to comprehend above the IQ of 30.

AmishBoy
11-08-2006, 07:47 PM
http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/caveman_1.jpg


Well selective breeding over years can produce similar results to what people call “evolution”.

czarofzar
11-08-2006, 08:44 PM
which is why Einstein marvelled at the mysteries of the universe, and the mysteries of the sub-atomic world....both unseen to the human eye

but, wait a minute....you have it figured out :rolleyes:
Even Einstien had his limits. That is if you enjoy living in the caveman era. Lets talk about what we know today. With all we know, you need an IQ below 30 to accept the Bible as fact. Shall I pick you up in short bus?

czarofzar
11-08-2006, 09:15 PM
Just hug that bible a little harder, boy. you might feel some comfort.

Say No To Pistons
11-08-2006, 09:29 PM
WHen was the last time you let your man pudding drain yzf-r1?

Supper
11-08-2006, 11:39 PM
speciation is in fact a type of decay/disorder from original complexityum... disorder is considered an increase in complexity...

anyway, the point of this post. Speciation within DNA limits can be considered as an anti decay device. Simply put, the combinations of DNA are pretty much unlimited because each branch (child) can create new sub-branches (grandchildren) so on and so forth until some far distant descendant can actually breed with another far off descendant without worry of inbreeding.

But of course, this could only work if you didn't believe in the Adam and Eve origin. Because if you do believe in that, we are all incestuous

ComradeGiant
11-08-2006, 11:46 PM
um... disorder is considered an increase in complexity...


Thats why humans are so complex, we are way down the entrophy chain from the origin of the species.

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