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A father plans to appeal after a Quebec court ruled that he didn't have the right to punish his 12-year-old daughter by barring her from a school trip.
Quebec Superior Court Judge Suzanne Tessier ruled Friday that the girl should be allowed to attend the three-day trip within Quebec this week.
Initially, the father forbade his daughter from going online after the Grade 6 student posted photos on a dating site, the Globe and Mail reported in its Thursday edition.
The girl's parents are divorced, and after she had an alleged row with her stepmother, her father barred her from going on a school trip to mark the class's graduation from elementary school, the newspaper reported.
"When he said, 'OK, it's final. You're not going,' she smacked the door, left and went to live with her mother," the father's lawyer, Kim Beaudoin, told CBC News.
Last Wednesday, the father received a motion petitioning the court to overturn the punishment.
Two days later, the judge ruled the punishment was too severe because the girl had already been sufficiently disciplined, Beaudoin said.
Beaudoin said the judge also said there was no reason for the punishment to stand, since the girl was now living with her mother, even though the father has custody.
Beaudoin said the father, who has four children, was "devastated," especially since the ruling came days before Father's Day.
Court has role: lawyer
But the judge's decision was not just a case of a child going the court to get out of trouble, said Miriam Grassby, a Quebec family lawyer who has spoken with the various attorneys involved.
Under Quebec family law, it is not uncommon for a child in a high-conflict situation between two parents to have an attorney appointed to protect his or her best interests, as was the case here, Grassby said.
"In Quebec, no matter who has custody, we have joint parental authority," Grassby told CBC News on Thursday. "There are issues of discipline where both parents have to agree, and if they don't, we will have a place" to resolve the issue in court.
The attorney representing the child had been chosen and agreed to by both parents, she noted.
"The court is there to be an objective third party, and these children who are in these high-conflict situations need the protection of the court," Grassby said.
"I think we could presume the judge had good judgment in the fact that she read the statements and found out what both parents were saying, and that the child was punished at least once for that, and this was excessive punishment."
While Beaudoin said the case is a first for her, she doubts it will trigger a flood of similar claims.
"Usually children have lots of respect for their parents and they wouldn't go there," said Beaudoin.
She said the judge stressed that the case was an exception.
"But for a field trip, I'm thinking this is a big exception," she said.
Quebec makes me fucking sick
Misty Rayne 06-19-2008, 07:34 PM what a fucken joke, damn kids think they can get away with anything, and usually do these days
vrooom305 06-19-2008, 08:14 PM Quebec makes me fucking sick
Is it safe to say that the French also make you sick?
But how the fuck does a court over rule a parents decision??? If the kid wants a PS3 and the parent says no, can the kid take the parent to court and make the parents buy them a PS3?
Obviously the mother played a big part in this. She would have been the one who hired and payed for the lawyer.
As for the French making me sick, Domench certainly does.
hotholly 06-20-2008, 02:24 AM Obviously the mother played a big part in this. She would have been the one who hired and payed for the lawyer.
As for the French making me sick, Domench certainly does.
i think the mother probably had a bit of input as you say... "let's get back at daddy" rather than any sense of sympathy for the child...
when i was 12 i did as my parents said and accepted any sanctions they imposed... and that's how it should be without some bloody legal eagle and court interfering
dano670 06-20-2008, 03:39 AM Finally a frivolous lawwsuit that was not in the US.
hotholly 06-20-2008, 06:04 AM Finally a frivolous lawwsuit that was not in the US.
oh we have em here too... some bloody ridiculous civil lawsuits and even more ridiculous criminal cases
$100T2 06-20-2008, 09:23 AM OK, that was just fucking stupid. And society wonders why kids are out of control now.
Spank your kids? OH MY GOD, ABUSE!
Ground your kids? OH MY GOD, UNFAIR!
People need to mind their own fucking business. You know what's gonna happen the next time that kid acts up? The daughter will laugh in his face and do whatever the hell she wants because there's no recourse.
When my kids misbehave, they get a warning to knock it off, and if it continues then they will go to time out, or won't get to watch a movie, or whatever. And that is their only warning. The next time it happens, whatever punishment I had said would happen happens, without fail.
Which is why my kids hardly misbehave. I don't make a rule I won't back up, and I don't make a punishment I can't follow through on. My GF made the mistake of telling our daughter once that "If you don't stop being fresh, we'll cancel your birthday party." I said, "Look, there is no way in hell you'll follow through on that. And she knows it. Don't pick something there is no way you'll enforce."
My parents used to do that to me... My Dad would say something, but my Mom would never let him enforce it, and pretty soon, I stopped taking it seriously.
And people wonder why kids today just don't fucking listen.
$100T2 06-20-2008, 09:23 AM Finally a frivolous lawwsuit that was not in the US.
No, the kid didn't sue for $2M at the same time. Doesn't really count.
sp00led 06-23-2008, 02:51 PM wow, talk about privatization of government. Since when can they make our moral decisions for us?
Fendamonky 06-23-2008, 03:54 PM Damnit... not here a day and already bumping old(ish) posts.
We know you know better :whipng:
:blah:
toyo7 06-24-2008, 10:49 AM that kid is going to become a slut... looks like we need to take a tfl feild trip to her place for the gang bang
that kid is going to become a slut... looks like we need to take a tfl feild trip to her place for the gang bang
You know, I'm a person that tries to give the benefit of the doubt, because people are fucking ignorant. Somehow, I just can't apply that here when I consider that "12-year-old" is in the thread title, and the post.
$100T2 06-24-2008, 11:14 AM You know, I'm a person that tries to give the benefit of the doubt, because people are fucking ignorant. Somehow, I just can't apply that here when I consider that "12-year-old" is in the thread title, and the post.
As my Dad used to say, "Some people say funny things, other people say things funny."
I think Toyo7 was trying to be witty.
FFS, I hope he was trying to be witty.
As my Dad used to say, "Some people say funny things, other people say things funny."
I think Toyo7 was trying to be witty.
FFS, I hope he was trying to be witty.
All I saw was "me and a bunch of guys should go bang a 12 year old slut."
I see no funny, but lots of awkward and weird.
Vert8813B 06-24-2008, 12:14 PM Grass on the field, play ball. No grass? Play in the mud!
/joke
wotnartd 06-24-2008, 12:17 PM All I saw was "me and a bunch of guys should go bang a 12 year old slut."
I see no funny, but lots of awkward and weird.
No kidding. 12 year-olds are so tiny that your balls would be touching all the time.
toyo7 06-24-2008, 12:30 PM oh and now i look like the weird one who can't come with in a mile of kids :(
like i'm the only one!!!
oh and now i look like the weird one who can't come with in a mile of kids :(
like i'm the only one!!!
hahahaha that made me laff.
hotholly 06-25-2008, 03:30 AM i think the point toyo was trying to make was that if kids like this 12 yr old are so mollycoddled and spoiled by the crazy PC brigade and the courts... no discipline, no parental guidance allowed... they will wind up on the wrong side of life eventually and be out of control
i think the point toyo was trying to make was that if kids like this 12 yr old are so mollycoddled and spoiled by the crazy PC brigade and the courts... no discipline, no parental guidance allowed... they will wind up on the wrong side of life eventually and be out of control
:rofl::rofl::rofl: @ the irony.
Vert8813B 06-25-2008, 09:18 AM :rofl::rofl::rofl: @ the irony.
You said it. I thought it.
You said it. I thought it.
Sounds like a good reason to give me a warning. :D
Vert8813B 06-25-2008, 09:32 AM Wasn't a personal attack. YZF may say it was unchristian like though.
and that's the bottom line, because the pretend mod said so!
and that's the bottom line, because the pretend mod said so!
It's pretty comical.. do you get warnings from vert? The real mods, $100t2, and 1revnrex seem to have no problem with me (and I've pissed both off extremely badly in the past being a dickhead,) yet, mr wanna be hall monitor seems to send me little warnings every chance he thinks he can get away with it, without having cosborne slap his little hand.
Vert, be honest here, do you really send these little warnings because of a personal vendetta, or because you want to keep tfl all clean and friendly?
P.S. see the "anything goes" smiley at the top of every page?
Vert8813B 06-25-2008, 05:01 PM It's pretty comical.. do you get warnings from vert? The real mods, $100t2, and 1revnrex seem to have no problem with me (and I've pissed both off extremely badly in the past being a dickhead,) yet, mr wanna be hall monitor seems to send me little warnings every chance he thinks he can get away with it, without having cosborne slap his little hand.
Vert, be honest here, do you really send these little warnings because of a personal vendetta, or because you want to keep tfl all clean and friendly?
P.S. see the "anything goes" smiley at the top of every page?
http://www.theforumlounge.com/announcement.php?f=14
Do whatever you want in smacktalk. After all, it is dedicated to you.
It's pretty comical.. do you get warnings from vert?
Only once, and it was because I called him a pretend mod. Now I do it whenever I get the chance.
1revnrex 06-25-2008, 05:41 PM I dont give a shit what goes on in here really but full on attacks should be left in Smacktalk IMO. A quick jab at someone should get you a warning not an infraction.
Unless you're SkyDivr because you know I have him in my sights.
Vert8813B 06-25-2008, 06:28 PM Or Mark.
Tofuball 06-26-2008, 07:45 AM Back to the thread topic, I think if a court made a ruling like this to my family, I'd move to another country :P
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