http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwywMP4Sxgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztejNZIZdsU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65wuHKbIfo&feature=related

first link is good.
ill return later and veiw em.

those links are worthless references to nobodies....whenever these debates are held in a professional forum, darwinists get their asses kicked

bwhahahahahha. Lets see em

If anybody is really interested and wants to see a GREAT debate.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2329504685124044436

If anybody is really interested and wants to see a GREAT debate.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2329504685124044436

I agree, that really was a great debate! The best I have seen on this subject.

I need to get Tom over here from RX-7Club to 1) shut you up in about five seconds, 2) post some of his awesome creation/evolution debates

:sleep:

Why don't you put up the Mcgrath vs Dawkins debate? Not to mention why did you take down the debate you had up? Obviously the only way the creationists can win a debate is when the other person isn't there.

I need to get Tom over here from RX-7Club to 1) shut you up in about five seconds, 2) post some of his awesome creation/evolution debates

Why bring some else over to do it...I thought you were the "M1 Tank", the "eagle among turkeys". Can't you do it your self? :roll:
Face it your nothing but a dud.... I'll bet you really work at McDonalds or some porta-a-potty cleaning service.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/IrakKriegM1A1USA.jpg/300px-IrakKriegM1A1USA.jpg

Why bring some else over to do it...I thought you were the "M1 Tank", the "eagle among turkeys". Can't you do it your self? :roll:
Face it your nothing but a dud.... I'll bet you really work at McDonalds or some porta-a-potty cleaning service.


just a thought, havent you called yourself a christian in here before? So where does this behavior put you in regards to your walk? All the times you claimed you follow God, and then you try to pitch for the other team....hey, its your life, by all means you are welcome to believe as you see fit, but perhaps before you try to ridicule someone else, maybe you should get your own mind made up about where YOU stand first. just a suggestion....think it over....

well, let's face it, it's a tag team of three of four babbling atheists against me in most of these threads, we need a little more balance

no, we actually dont--no number of people using dishonest tactics is gonna have any impact about what i believe, and balance in here is hardly what matters.

the fact is this--and no one wants to ever hear it, but it is the fact--neither side in this never-ending debate will ever be able to prove themselves right in this lifetime. this is nothing more than a circle-jerk, because one side has the faith that God exists, and the other side has the faith that He doesnt. you cannot prove a man's faith as right or wrong like that, and the sooner you guys all realize it, the sooner you can put that energy into something that really matters.

I work with a guy who has a miserable marriage. He and his wife talk to each other like enemies, there's no respect there. none. he is even worse when he talks to his step-son. he heard me on the phone talking to my wife this week, and we ended up talking about why our marriage works and his doesnt, for hours. When I talked to him about my faith, I put it like this:

"hey, thats what we believe. and we could be dead wrong....but there's no denying the fact that we handle the problems of life so differently because of our faith...."

This is a guy that never went to church, and spent his life thinking that God is just a fairy tale told to kids to make them feel better about life. When we left work that day, he asked me if he could bring me a list of questions the next time we worked the same shift....now ,this guy may never accept God, but there's no doubt at all that he DOES know that something is missing in his life. Even if he doesnt choose to believe as I do, maybe I can help him save his marriage with some insight....

and to think, I could have been on here during that time, debating how to "prove someone's faith wrong" like the rest of you. instead, I did something worthwhile with my time.

just a thought, havent you called yourself a christian in here before? So where does this behavior put you in regards to your walk? All the times you claimed you follow God, and then you try to pitch for the other team....hey, its your life, by all means you are welcome to believe as you see fit, but perhaps before you try to ridicule someone else, maybe you should get your own mind made up about where YOU stand first. just a suggestion....think it over....

I'm not pitching for the other team sky, I just believe that God was an architect, designed the universes with a set of rules, and then set it into motion. I don't discount science for explanations, and feel that every creationism story was put into words that were appropriate for that day in age.

I positive that if the Bible were given to man right now it would contain a lot more ( DNA, physics, etc.). But to wave around the YEC nonsense like YZF does, and then tell everyone they are going to hell because they dont believe in a young earth interpretation is just plain unchristian like.

I believe God gave us a brain, and the universe as an exciting puzzle to glorify Him as we learn and understand how He made it. And to put him in a box with a limited understanding is a shame for His Creation.

the fact is this--and no one wants to ever hear it, but it is the fact--neither side in this never-ending debate will ever be able to prove themselves right in this lifetime. this is nothing more than a circle-jerk, because one side has the faith that God exists, and the other side has the faith that He doesnt. you cannot prove a man's faith as right or wrong like that, and the sooner you guys all realize it, the sooner you can put that energy into something that really matters.
esnt choose to believe as I do, maybe I can help him save his marriage with some insight....


I think everyone here realizes that.

But that doesn't matter... It would be pretty boring if everyone just stopped discussing everything that there probably never will be any agreement over:)
I personally finds it interesting/funny to see what some other people believes.

I'm not pitching for the other team sky, I just believe that God was an architect, designed the universes with a set of rules, and then set it into motion. I don't discount science for explanations, and feel that every creationism story was put into words that were appropriate for that day in age.

I positive that if the Bible were given to man right now it would contain a lot more ( DNA, physics, etc.). But to wave around the YEC nonsense like YZF does, and then tell everyone they are going to hell because they dont believe in a young earth interpretation is just plain unchristian like.

I believe God gave us a brain, and the universe as an exciting puzzle to glorify Him as we learn and understand how He made it. And to put him in a box with a limited understanding is a shame for His Creation.

thats funny, for someone who believes in god and calls himself a christian, you sure do act a whole lot like youre far more interested in rehashing yzf attacks and insults....you cannot find a better, more appropriate use for your time, considering the beliefs you tell us that you hold?

I think everyone here realizes that.

But that doesn't matter... It would be pretty boring if everyone just stopped discussing everything that there probably never will be any agreement over:)
I personally finds it interesting/funny to see what some other people believes.

there's nothing "interesting" or "funny" in blindly insulting others because of their chosen beliefs. Especially when not one of you has any more of a factual basis for anything. people here get on yzf's case all the time because he mocks others and insults them--and those same people do the exact same thing to others themselves in the process.

that isnt interesting or funny, its being a hypocrite. and there are already too many of those in the world today.

note, i never said no one should discuss their faith, but its strange that no one here seems to be able to do it with any respect. if youre really interested in what we believe, why arent you here making inquisitive posts instead of insulting ones?

there's nothing "interesting" or "funny" in blindly insulting others because of their chosen beliefs. Especially when not one of you has any more of a factual basis for anything. people here get on yzf's case all the time because he mocks others and insults them--and those same people do the exact same thing to others themselves in the process.

that isnt interesting or funny, its being a hypocrite. and there are already too many of those in the world today.

note, i never said no one should discuss their faith, but its strange that no one here seems to be able to do it with any respect. if youre really interested in what we believe, why arent you here making inquisitive posts instead of insulting ones?

I have only once insulted anyone on this forum (that I can think off) and I apologized to one of the persons involved, however there is some definite truth in what I said.

I have actually made inquisitive posts, I asked how the creationists explained the fact that light from distant stars would take millions of years to reach the earth so we can see them.

And off course it can be funny and interesting to see what other people believes, even though you don't think so others may. Its nothing hypocritical about it.

Evolution is a fact, however I don't think its any point in going into that again, I'm sure it has been discussed here before.... It is you people that doesn't have any basis for what you're claiming, the bible is not an factual book...

I have only once insulted anyone on this forum (that I can think off) and I apologized to one of the persons involved, however there is some definite truth in what I said.

I have actually made inquisitive posts, I asked how the creationists explained the fact that light from distant stars would take millions of years to reach the earth so we can see them.

And off course it can be funny and interesting to see what other people believes, even though you don't think so others may. Its nothing hypocritical about it.

Evolution is a fact, however I don't think its any point in going into that again, I'm sure it has been discussed here before.... It is you people that doesn't have any basis for what you're claiming, the bible is not an factual book...



perhaps you need some more education as to what is "fact" and what is not.....the entire scientific community calls it the THEORY of evolution to this day, and yet here you are proclaiming it as fact, and claiming that "you people" dont have a basis for our claims?!?!?:blah:

You really should get educated before making what amounts to, frankly, ridiculous comments concerning what is fact and what is not. note this--not at any time are you seeing me trying to tell you that science is all proven wrong, that i am proven right, etc etc etc. this debate is one that will not be proven either way with facts in our lifetime, on this planet, and between you and me, there is only one of us that just doesnt seem to get that.

here's a hint--it isnt the one you just referred to as "you people" like its some kind of insult to believe as I do.

As for there being "definite truth' in what you said, chances are good that you dont even know how many christians are on this site, because you look at the response you get from ONE PERSON and immediately(youre still doing it now with your 'you people' crap) and automatically(and wrongly) assume that we all fit in that same boat.

like i said, some education would only help you on this one.

A "Scientific Theory" is not just some guess. In the case of the theory of evolution, It is supported by unprecedented level of facts and never been proven wrong.

Well, The theory of evolution is actually considered both a fact and a theory...
It is a fact that evolution occurred,and is still occurring, it can be observed, and exactly how it happened/happens remains a theory.
However, there is a broad consensus in the scientific community supporting the theory of evolution...

You are right, I have no idea how many christians there are on this forum, most of you area Americans so probably over half, so?

based on what? is God not the same "yesterday, today, and tomorrow"? does God need to learn anything He didn't already know? is not all scripture Divinely inspired? what is the focus of scripture, the natural world or the spiritual world?

I swear, people like you cannot be reasoned with...


I swear that this is a cop out and a smack in the face of God who blessed you with a brain. He gave you a gift and you waste it like a lemming off of a cliff.

again, see above...Evolution B is supported by the facts (observational science)...Evolution A (Neo-Darwinsim) is nothing but an impossible story

how atehists love to blur the lines!

You just so want to call anyone that does not believe in YEC creation an atheist...dude that shit stinks and you know it. Get off of it already its a tired and debunked argument.

again, see above...Evolution B is supported by the facts (observational science)...Evolution A (Neo-Darwinsim) is nothing but an impossible story

how atehists love to blur the lines!

Blur the lines? There are not two separate theories. Not to mention it is not an impossible story. It's a continuation of the same process that has never been proven to have changed throughout history.

that's the extrapolation/"evolution train" argument, but it has nothing to do with true science

we have, what, a few hundred years of observing evolution in action? and you're seriously telling me MILLIONS is now science?

please, put down the crack pipe!

It is what it is. It has been observed and backed up more than you can ever know. The little skeptical sentences from known creationists hold zero ground.

lol, and who the heck are you?

it's been observed for a few hundred years, and guess what we have witnessed: one species after another going extinct

Just goes to show how little you know.

The creationist movement is not hard to debunk. There are tons of honest scientists out there doing hard accurate research. The foundation of creationism is the attempted distortion of their work followed by a few "its so pretty that only god could have done it". Unfortunately for them lies only hold their ground for so long. This is why you will continually see them brushing their debunked lies under the rugs to move on to the next one. The creationist movement is based upon lies and deceit. No place in science for either of those practices.

typical elitist bullshit from you...what's your credentials for these arrogant staments again, frank? :roll:

I don't need to throw out any credentials to know what I am posting is true. Any person with a brain, open mind, and a library card could easily make those claims. If anything you have shown with many of your quotes that even people holding a PHD can be a moron.

and, again, it's a question of interpretation....NO ONE WAS THERE....same evidence, different "glasses"...one "sees" an evolution "train", the other sees a train to extinction

and only one is correct....only one obeys the first and second laws of thermodynamics, which are universal

you lose


Just goes to show you that even the blind wear glasses in your case. Your thermodynamics claim is evidence of that.

yes, you do

and you have none...captain google

No i don't. I dont give out personal information to crazy people. Which is exactly why you think my name is Frank.

nice cop-out, frank, I'm not asking you to give out your full name or address

I don't care what you are asking for. You will get nothing but facts and opinions on the issues.

energy and information flows one way, frank....irrefutable fact, I don't care what spin you and your heroes put on it

When defining a thermodynamic "system" for purposes of calculating changes in entropy, you need to define it such that there are no external inputs (i.e., an isolated system). A life form is not an isolated system.

nice cop-out, frank, I'm not asking you to give out your full name or address

LOL at YZF cyberstalking

Look out he has a 10 gauge!

The universe is not a closed system either.

The universe is expanding isnt it?

Because a closed system needs to have a constant volume.

nice cop-out, frank, I'm not asking you to give out your full name or address

in one breath, youre posting constantly that "professing to be wise, they became fools"....and in the next, you want to compare educational credentials to see who's got the bigger e-wee-wee.

you should know better than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

/WIN

Great video.

here a pretty good vid from Ken Ham

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/awkh/do-animals-evolve

Dudes a loon.....dont even waste your time with this pseudo science.
Circumstantial evidence with everything he presents...
That Dinos in the bible is laughable....

or you calling yourself a Christian is laughable

Everything in the bible called a dragon is a dinosaur...

Laughable.....purely laughable.

As for you being the 'judge' on who is a christian...equally laughable.
You have no clue.....

here a pretty good vid from Ken Ham

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/awkh/do-animals-evolve

lol

apples and oranges

frank isn't claiming spiritual wisdom or insight (he knows he has none, and dismisses the supernatural anyhow), he's claiming authoritative knowledge concerning biology/physics, etc...that requires credentials

oh, i get it now....


youre still stuck on comparing educational credentials for "worldy" wisdom comparison. That is, quite frankly, ridiculous, and still falls under people claiming to be wise in my book. Whether it is on spiritual matters or on worldly knowledge that you wont take with you in the end anyways, trying to one-up someone in this kind of pissing contest will only end badly. If God required the use of such credentials, then only those who studied their whole lives would be chosen.

which never would have happened if you werent always trying to trump everyone else anyways. thats the part that you just dont seem to get. and in the end, what real value is found in such a never-ending mess? Sometimes, it takes a smarter man to simply walk away.....

What I dont understand is why then do you follow the Yecs?
They take the bible, blend it with a pick and choose science, and then claim their wisdom...based on how they mashed it up with scripture.

Sounds to me you have a double standard there YZF....

naturalists claim radio dating of rocks "proves" vast imaginary epochs....they claim light from distant stars "proves" even more of the same, but they weren't there, can you get that through your mile thick skull? they weren't there when the ALIMIGHTY GOD created the heavens ans supernaturally inflated ("stretched out") the cosmos in a moment of time....they don't have a CLUE what time dilation or radiation effects occurred at that moment, they are babbling insects, speculating to the wind, destined to be thrown into the fire

This is made of all sorts of fail...how do you know how this all happens?
You talk about inflation of the universe...so you are stating on how God did things....

What if God just said " here it is" without inflation? or stretching out.

That is why your argument for all of this fails...

repost...it's important for more people to hear the other side

Is this the one where the stork brings the baby animals to the T-Rex residence?

you might actually try listening to it, and open your darkened mind a sliver

:rolleyes:

I have better things to do with my time then to listen to this debunked nonsense.....

name something "debunked" that he referenced, I dare ya

Asexual lizards. Their existence counters all that they bring up with their DNA tripe and literal genesis.

*sigh* not that again....I was referring to something referenced in the vid clip

Did you not read correctly?!?!?...I've seen some of these vids, and they border on the heavens gate cult. Hell the dude even has the blank soulless stare.

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u26/1463_heavens_gate_468.jpg

http://www.heav.org/assets/images/convention2007/KEN-HAM.gif


And the fact remains that the asexual organisms that exist today ...several species in fact, trump this global flood. Their existence clearly prove that the flood was local, because they could not have been on the ark. Period. End of story. So all this YEC BS is a fallacy...thus it is a waste to even consider it.


Look out ! Dragons! Dragons must be dinosaurs!
Jesus road Dragons in the rodeo BTW.

you really are an asshole to end all assholes...a complete waste of time

Dude, STFU with the smalktalk. If you dont have anything intelligent to say then shut your trap....

I think 95pep is clearly the winner here. what this vid clip? where can i find it. I wish to view.

OMG I just watched that Ken Ham video in in its entirety. What a moron.

of course, atheists/agnostics love their own (another practical atheist)

it's funny, even atheists recognize the hypocrisy of someone who picks and chooses what they believe from scripture, but shithead will never get it

read 3 john 1:2