To tell me WTF to do once and for all with this chick. Ive tried everything to figure this out so this is the last shot for imput before decision time.

Year= 1995-6
I met a girl named Christy. she was very good looking and totally into me from the moment we met. we talked on the phone EVERYDAY for hours. She wanted to go out(marry) me. very cute and energetic personality, much self worth and potential to be a great person. I did not go out with her or even date her for 2 years. we still talked every night even through dating others(me not her, she waited). I did this to make sure i felt the way about her that she "felt" about me.

Year=1998
We go out on the day after her birthday. she is very happy and we hit it off well as a couple and are already best freinds. things escalate to sex after a while but we have both determined marrage is a very real possibility first(upbringing). I have a grandmother die and leave me with approx 100k in money and land. i am set for starting a life in a year or two. we are very happy and get engaged. shortly before engagement i see problem #1 in our relationship. she starts comming at me totaly different than ever before. Very attacking and accusing about everything. sex is greatly less and she is hassling me for a ring. she is still a very good person but vastly different almost overnight. we get engaged and i figure its just the pressure and our situation. her family life sucked and she was ready to get out. her mom was very mentally abusive. Sometimes physically

year=2001

the day before we are to be married she comes over hysterical telling me she isnt going to be around anymore. shes leaving town and not comming back. at this point ive bought a house(41000 down, 17000 furnishing) and put the 5k down on the 2000 mustang gt that was to be mine after we paid it off and i got her something new. not to mention paying most of the bills and all of the mortgage for some time before she could move in. I told her that was ridiculous and she wasnt leaving in my car. She calmed down and we got married, i chalked it up to marraige stress and jitters. we went on the honey moon and everything was ok but just ok. from that moment on she was different physically.

a year later,

on the day she found out she had a brain/blood vessel mass and she could potentilly die she flipped. here is a list of the chenges. for everything that i list think about the TOTAL opposite up until that morning.
1)drugs and a lot of them
2)no time at home
3)strange people and behaviors(trips, people over all night etc)
4)money vanishing(20000 in a month, 10k of that in e week)
5)lies, deception, secrets, twisted truths etc.
6)less to no sex except when high.
blah blah blah.

i gave her the law and she said she didnt want to leave. we got everthing straightened out thanks to me and my parents and move on. things get better.

2003
on our 3 year anivesary we give birth to our daughter. things are going well as can be with trust issues not resolved and emotional scars that we just had to get over. no counseling was done cause she didnt like the idea or anyone we went to.

2005
she is back on drugs both prescription and other. the last few weeks she met this girl and has been evreynight with her and her freinds. The other day she tells me the're girlfreinds but she still wants me cause she loves me too but with finding out about things(rape at 2.5 and 15, mother abuse, and me) she needs other people in her life. 2 weeks ago she goes on a drug binge and comes back almost dead from pc. from the picutes on the digital camera and the vibrator and oral sex tech book in the car i get the picture clear as i just had suspicions before. keep in mind that this is the most breif expanation of my life(8-9years) in a couple of paragraphs so a lot is missing.

She talks of killing herself and such so to the hospital she goes. her parents took her and the doctors said that they were going to send her to the phyc-ward on the drugs alone. i had read her diary and knew she had a suicide note because of a few comments she had made and i couldnt stand the thouhgt of finding her dead.

here is a breif list of our issues for each other

Christy towards josh=
1)car thing(2001)= she feels i am all about control when i was just trying to get her to see reason and not let my car dissapear/her hurt herself.
2)her parents and mine plus others know a lot about our situation because i love her and worry about her. i was trying to get help. she sees this as meddling and betrayal
3)She thinks that i dont want her to have freinds and be happy cause i dont want her to be out all the time getting fucked up while i worry at home.
4)the diary= i have broken her trust and am a bad person who wants to be in control. i just want her to be happy and safe

MEDICAL NOTE***
She is bipolar type one and two and can cycle a couple of times a day. ADD, and other mental issues are at play as well

Marraige NOTE***
She veiwed me as a way out and i was not picking up on it till after it was done. She still loves me and the good time are good but few now. seh wants to be together ost all the time but doesnt love me the same way right now.

JOSHES issues w/ christy=
1)the moment we met i loved her and made the commitment at the alter that she did, i feel it should be honnored or broken once and for all.
2)the money, its hard to get over being taken advantage of so many times
3)the time away and no counseling for us. too much has gone by to not talk it out and deal or its over.
4)i am an honest good person who has never leid t her intentionally to hurt her or taken advantage of her. i have given my all to this relationship
5)i do not play games and excpect the same honesty and good that i give right back. i am honoring my vows, she sould have to also or get out.

MEDICAL NOTE***
I am seeing a coulselor as she is but only for the issues that have arisen as this stuff unfolded. She is not to the point in her therapy to were she and her therapist feel she can deal with us yet.

Marriage NOTE
I made a commitent and have upheld it to the best of my ability. the problem i have with her could be solved but will take all conditions being met and a long time of showing me different behavior.

Heres the point, my option of time has run out and i am faced with these decisions

1)keep going loose everything possibly and have faith in the good in her winning and everything working out.

2)Keep ing my roomates kicking her out and getting on with a struggling life that will not be easy and probably fail in a few months with no way out easily or cheaply

3)getting out to my parents house and trusting roomates to pay for things that i cant afford while i work to support myself and my daughter(living with my parents. I will bank on this optiion and be well off as long as the roomates are cool and dont screw me.

4)sell the house get my 40-50k out of it and be well off living at my parents house and rebuilt my broken spirit and life. Move the fuck on and forget it.

5)join the military and run away from my problems but at least not have to worry about this shit. send money back to take care of my daughter at my parents and inlaws house. hopefully work through the anger and rage inside of me by blowing some rags- head off or get shot myself.

I am not doing well emotionally at the moment and am not very stable(outwardly im ok but people have no idea. this is the end one way or the other for this situation. i cant take the stress and hurt anymore). if you have anything sarcastic to say fuck off. i dont need that shit at the moment. i know ive been ass raped and its ok if it works out but i dont see that happening. i am aware of the idiocy and ludicrousness of my life right now. I gave my all to this person and trusted her, she promised me that in return and i was robbed. the way i feel about this is very 1800s and i dont expect many of you to get it as i have never experienced this love except from my parents.

has anyone ever acually been in this situation. have you ever loved anyone more than yourself or any circumstance that may come up. this isnt about options because ive had many other options as far as women go but this was my choice. any help would be appreaciated, $100t2, what have you ever heard about this. the person i love still exsists and loves me but is being held captive by he own mind. its too much to see that everyday.

:rolleyes:

I'm not gonna read all that shit.

well holy shit

i'm also not going to read all that but suffice to say

1) she has issues.
2) you are involved and committed.

your options are

1) take care of her and suffer her bullshit forever
2) ditch her and feel bad about ditching someone in need for the rest of your life

i would base my choice on whether i value

1) quality of life
vs.
2) responsibility to her

i would ditch her. she's an adult now, and as such she makes her own choices. regardless of whatever fucked up shit she does to herself, she has no right to drag you or more importantly, your daughter, down with her.

i asy go for option 4 .i wouldnt trust the roomates to hold their end of the bargain esspecially when youve got this much on the line. i dont think there is any way for her to go back t her normal self again,it seems that she is just far gone. these problems existed before you came along and i think it has finally got the best of her.

#4 buddy. best of luck to ya

1. Hire a private investigator to document everything.
2. Hire an attorney and sue for full custody of your child.
3. Take your lumps and divorce her sorry, broken ass. :bigthumb:

I had a friend in a similar situation. Hooked up with a buddy's girlfriend after a party and knocked her up that very night. Things quickly went from bad to worse. :D

Stealing money and other things (including $1,000+ OF MY FUCKING PAINT!!! :) ) for drugs, forging checks for drugs/food/whatever, took out two credit cards in his name by forging his signature, stole his guns (including a Desert Eagle I had given him) and pawning them for drugs... did I mention drugs?

She'd be flying as high as a fucking kite (crystal meth, mostly) and you'd send her out for something at the grocery store and 3 hours later she'd come back if you were lucky. We'd fix food for 5 or 6 people and she'd eat nothing, but if you left a case of pop at his house, they'd all be sitting open and half-empty around the house the very next day. She was rolling up thousands and thousands of miles on the cars he bought for her just driving back and forth to friends houses for drugs. I'm talking 30,000+ miles a year in a town of only ~20,000 people. CONSTANTLY roving for drugs.

She once drove into the side of the house and claimed it was because the Camaro had bad brakes. It hadn't dawned on her that if you came into a 30-foot gravel driveway at 30+ mph and locked up the brakes that you weren't likely to stop. She was the kind who wasn't even stopped from backing up before she had grabbed 1st gear and put the pedal to the floor. WOT, all the time. Constantly burning up transmissions and wearing out brakes and tires, picking up paint samples from barrier poles at every gas station in town (not to mention a few cars, I'm sure).

She broke his nose twice (she's a big bitch and punches like a logger), broke every window and door in his house because she'd continually lose her keys and have to break in, even when she wasn't stealing things. She was in one of rages one night and we were in the shop with the door locked listening to things she was throwing banging off the side and I hear something clang off the floor. She'd thrown a 1/2" breaker bar clean through the side of his shop.

He kicked her out, she "straightened up" and came back, and they went through this cycle repeatedly for 6 or 7 years. Two restraining orders, several nights in jail, didn't matter to her. Finally he'd had enough, sued for full custody and won and had her arrested for forging his name on checks. He now has a new girlfriend who is extremely nice and only has to deal with this harpy from hell every other weekend when she picks up and drops off their daughter.

You will never be totally free of her (getting married was the first major mistake, but having a child with her compounded it ten-fold, not that you don't already know that) but you can have most of your life back and minimize the random bullshit and pain of associating with her. Your path is clear.

Now... I can't believe I bothered to read all of that and respond. If I wasn't at home today, sick and bored... :)

Stay or Bail...If you stay and she straightens out that'd be great (but it looks like a very long shot to me). It's harder to Bail, but it's a wiser choice in the end. If you ask me i'd cut my losses and leave. Remember if you leave now you still have time to start over.

Good Luck.

I appreciate the responses. thank you for the advice. i am only 25 and have never been around people like this. my uncle is skitzo and has been in a home since he was 18(he like 50+ now) and he makes more sense than her sometimes. I pretty much know what i want and need to do but sometimes you need some random outside ideas or opinions to get a reiw on a reality you cant grasp. this is hard but i think its time to move on. It would be so much easier if she hated me and was a complete peice of crap. then i would have the anger towards her and i could do it.

I cant help with all of the talk on here about girls and situations that i still feel this way but i dont even want the lesbian/threesome stuff that i could have. what i had with her was worth more than just good sex. i acually found someone to bee with even if we did it too young. later, Josh.

Here's my brutally honest advice.

So far, you've nailed a lot of shit right on the head:

You know she used you as an escape.
You know she lied to you left and right.
You know she stole money from you.
You know she's cheating on you with women for sure, maybe men too.

Now, here's the most important fact of all: You have a child.

I want you to beat the following into your head, ok? That child WILL repeat the relationship you and your wife have. She is going to have nothing but a fucked up future from being exposed to this.

Jimlab is absolutely right. Document, document, document. Hire a PI, get a lawyer, the next time she comes home high, call the cops and just say she's acting strangely, and you think she might hurt herself, they'll take her straight to the hospital and drug test her... That's how you get your daughter, ok?

Remember, this shit is FAR bigger than you and her. You love her? I don't give a fuck. You know that old saying, "Stay together for the kids sake"? It's bullshit. Sometimes you need to be apart for the kids sake. She's shitting all over you, and when you stop responding to that, she's gonna shit all over your little girl.

Do NOT run away, leaving your daughter in the hands of your family. You need to take care of her. You need to protect her. You're a fucking father, that's YOUR JOB. Nothing else should matter to you except your little girl. Houses, cars, whatever, that shit can ALL be replaced. Your little girl is only going to have one childhood, and so far you're doing a great job of fucking it up.

You think you love your wife, but you don't. You're trying to do the right thing, you're trying to be a nice guy... But, you act like someone's doormat, don't be surprised when they walk all over you.

Get her arrested, admitted to the hospital, change the locks on the house and get her the fuck outta there. She has all these wonderful friends? She can go stay with them.

Remeber kids, marry for money, not looks. :)

None of the options were appealing on your poll so I did not vote. Get the fuck out of that house, move in with your parents for a while, and take care of your daughter. YOU are all your daughter has YOU are her father.

Here's my brutally honest advice.

So far, you've nailed a lot of shit right on the head:

You know she used you as an escape.
You know she lied to you left and right.
You know she stole money from you.
You know she's cheating on you with women for sure, maybe men too.

Now, here's the most important fact of all: You have a child.

I want you to beat the following into your head, ok? That child WILL repeat the relationship you and your wife have. She is going to have nothing but a fucked up future from being exposed to this.

Jimlab is absolutely right. Document, document, document. Hire a PI, get a lawyer, the next time she comes home high, call the cops and just say she's acting strangely, and you think she might hurt herself, they'll take her straight to the hospital and drug test her... That's how you get your daughter, ok?

Remember, this shit is FAR bigger than you and her. You love her? I don't give a fuck. You know that old saying, "Stay together for the kids sake"? It's bullshit. Sometimes you need to be apart for the kids sake. She's shitting all over you, and when you stop responding to that, she's gonna shit all over your little girl.

Do NOT run away, leaving your daughter in the hands of your family. You need to take care of her. You need to protect her. You're a fucking father, that's YOUR JOB. Nothing else should matter to you except your little girl. Houses, cars, whatever, that shit can ALL be replaced. Your little girl is only going to have one childhood, and so far you're doing a great job of fucking it up.

You think you love your wife, but you don't. You're trying to do the right thing, you're trying to be a nice guy... But, you act like someone's doormat, don't be surprised when they walk all over you.

Get her arrested, admitted to the hospital, change the locks on the house and get her the fuck outta there. She has all these wonderful friends? She can go stay with them.

Quoted for truth. It sucks, but that's life.

Your focus must, Must, MUST be on your child. You have to do right by her. Everything else is secondary.

I'm with Jim and $100T2. Your wife is not even trying to help herself. If she were then you might have a small chance of salvaging something, but at this point she's a lost cause. You need to protect yourself and your daughter as much as possible from any more physical, emotional or monitary harm. You've given up enough and now you need to protect yourself. I say keep your daughter, your job, and your house. I doubt your wife was doing much parenting, but even so you'll need to rely on day care and family for help. The PI can help build a case where you can legally keep your wife away from you and your daughter so you can move on. Start today.

Childs a total loss, recoupe what you can with her fiscally on the asian sex market. Sex tourists will take care of oyu- though you may get screwed on the exchange rate.

That was acually funny and made me laugh this morning... thanks, I can always count on meddle to come out of left feild with the wild out of control conspiracy advice.

On a side note.
1)I will almost never leave my daughter, the only reason i thought of the military was cause i could support her better.
2)she is getting help and thats the only reason i let her back into my life from the time she left a few months ago. She does show imporvement after a while and then its another meltdown. each one is less destructive except for the last one but i dont know if i can handle this mentally anymore.
3)i am not with her cause i could not do better or any different. I DO see the promise of a good person in her still...thats what is so hard about this.

the incident with the girl was not totally unknown to me but she lied about the circumstances and the intent. I think she veiwed it as a party foul but i dont. i am pretty open but i didnt know if i wanted her to be with others. I veiw it as cheating but that is the only instance that i even suspect and im not stupid. im not saying it hasnt happened or ist possible but i dont think that is the case.

thanks for the outside veiws. i am already sure what i need to do but i just have to be ok with the fact that ive done EVERYTHING that i can first or its going to be hard to say no later when the mistakes are realized and someone may come back wanting to "correct" them. Im a once and for all type of person and i dont see that once ive made my mind that ill be able to change it. I know that i look whooped and a "doormat" but its more the fact that i have to be sure. normally i would have been sure a loong time ago but I am trying to make sure....once and for all...thanks.

Hey Burnout it appears you've given it one hell of a try. For what it's worth you tried to honor the commitment you made to your wife when you married her. She has not done the same and has, in fact, repeatedly screwed you over.

1. What do you mean almost never? Buck up and save the one relationship you can.
2. How many times has she gotten help? How many times can you stand? Everyone has a limit and it appears you've found yours.
3. You've done more than most. There is no shame in getting on with your life without this woman.

Lesbian sex is not a party foul. Spilling your beer on someone or puking in the hostess' bed is a party foul. Having sex toys involved shows that it was premeditated by at least one person involved.

Don't beat yourself up. You have to banish the thought that you have done more. Shit, you could work at this until you're mental and completely screwed up. You've done plenty to try and salvage the marriage. Now you need to dig in and fortify your position so she doesn't take any more out of you and your daughter.

Childs a total loss, recoupe what you can with her fiscally on the asian sex market. Sex tourists will take care of oyu- though you may get screwed on the exchange rate.

Nice! :rofl:

Remeber kids, marry for money, not looks. :)


Jesus called. He said, "What the fuck???"

Now now, assholery is a big problem around here, no need to defy every post I make......

ive been thinking it over the last few days/weeks and she tells me these things over the bs that normally spouts forth when shes in a "mood".

1) she loves me still and wants to try but shes not in love anymore and lost respect(how the fuck that happened i dont know but i think its the truth)

2)shes been told not to make commitments right now by her therapist(s) because she wants to really commit if she can but isnt ready yet cause shes not right with her self.

3)she doest feel like shes worth anything and cant love herself much less anything else. even her daughter to some degree. she loves her but the normal pressures of life are too much for her at the moment.

4)she is going 2-3 times a week and taking the medicine as prescribed for the most part. the only thing shes doing now is pot. before it was x, acid, meth(once or twice), coke(4 times), dusters, anything to not deal with reality. the "freind" was her accopmlice and aided all of these things but now she is bieng sent away and lied to my wife and that is over.

I want to say one more time but ive already done it so many before. I think i am going to draw a line in the sand and see what happens.

I think this is what im going to say.:

1)you've made the commitment already... are you going to stick it out or give up

2)i have to look out for me an our daughter now because ive spent all my energy and money on you for so long that it is affecting me negatively.

3)I gave you the chance(s) to figure things out and get back to me for a long time. now i need the same thing for myself.

4)you no longer have exclusive rights to my love and my heart as you have betrayed it... if it matters to you you need to show me that, and for some time, before i can totally trust you agian if ever.

5) the only decision that is yours now is are you willing to do what it takes to keep this together or is this over on your side. the fact will remain that i will be making up my own mind as to this as well and it may not matter what you decide at this point.

Anything else that i may have missed... am i still being too easy. I half feel like i want to say fuck off and half feel like i want to try agian. once i do finally decide i have decided though... thats just the way i am. i want tobe sure

Now now, assholery is a big problem around here, no need to defy every post I make......

I'm not "defy"ing you (and I think you mean defile, because to defy you, you'd need some sort of authority around here, of which you have none), I'm pointing out your own hypocrisy. It's a favorite pastime of mine with born-agains or pompous Christians like YZF.

Man, you've put more effort into the marriage than most people I know would have. You're putting up with something you definitely don't need. You're young, you should be focusing on becoming financially stable not trying to recover from your wife's latest binge. I've dated someone with a problem like that and if they try to stop and can't it is pretty evident that they don't have the will necessary to fix their problems. As much as it may make you feel guilty you should cut your losses, cover your ass and get out of there asap. Keep in mind that drugs change a person to the point where it is hard to tell the difference between them and what they do. Like drugs, people can also change people.

Man, you've put more effort into the marriage than most people I know would have. You're putting up with something you definitely don't need. You're young, you should be focusing on becoming financially stable not trying to recover from your wife's latest binge. I've dated someone with a problem like that and if they try to stop and can't it is pretty evident that they don't have the will necessary to fix their problems. As much as it may make you feel guilty you should cut your losses, cover your ass and get out of there asap. Keep in mind that drugs change a person to the point where it is hard to tell the difference between them and what they do. Like drugs, people can also change people.

I agree with this post.

well don't forget the rep button ;)

That is a very good point. I wish that i hated her or vice versus and this would be so much easier. I can move back to my parents house(leaving the roomates and making a killing or selling and getting 30-40k back) and be well set and finish school, get a better job, catch up with freinds and family etc. the decision seems so easy but its hard to get moving.

Ive never just gone out with a girl for no purpose. Maybe ill try banging the shit out of someone and having a meaning relationship like everyone else. Fuck forever, I just thought of a new point for the poll

6)kick the wife and loser roommates out that i have(ok guys but guys nonetheless), get hot lesbian/bi girls and seduce them into a sexual debacle of epic proportions. yeah thats the one i choose!

"oh you need to be a week late on rent...comon, lets go work it out!"

I'm not "defy"ing you (and I think you mean defile, because to defy you, you'd need some sort of authority around here, of which you have none), I'm pointing out your own hypocrisy. It's a favorite pastime of mine with born-agains or pompous Christians like YZF.


If I seem pompous I apologize, sometimes I get carried away pretending to be someone I'm not on here, it's fun to play the threads at times.

I think it's clear that I'm not welcome here. Consider this my last post.

shes not in love anymore and lost respect (how the fuck that happened i dont know)I've got a pretty good idea...

am i still being too easy. I half feel like i want to say fuck off and half feel like i want to try agian. once i do finally decide i have decided though... thats just the way i am. i want tobe sureFigured it out yet, Charlie Brown? :D

If I seem pompous I apologize, sometimes I get carried away pretending to be someone I'm not on here, it's fun to play the threads at times.

I think it's clear that I'm not welcome here. Consider this my last post.

He banned himself?...banikaze?...autoban?...el bandido? wtf?

If you look at his profile you can see he still visits. He just quit posting here. He's still active on rx7club.com as 88IntegraLS.

He's still active on rx7club.com as 88IntegraLS.He's 88IntegraLS on the club?? That's some funny shit! :D

He's 88IntegraLS on the club?? That's some funny shit! :D

See oyu don't read it anymore. I thought YZF hijacked his screennames. His devine handholding rants make me want to throw up my afternoon manhattan.

See oyu don't read it anymore.Nope, I sure don't. Except the comment Jeff Hoskinson made about me tonight. :D

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=4871794&postcount=10

Lesse... more efficient combustion means more power. More power means less time on the throttle to achieve a given speed. Less time on the throttle means improved gas mileage. Amazing! :bigthumb:

Nope, I sure don't. Except the comment Jeff Hoskinson made about me tonight. :D

http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?p=4871794&postcount=10

Lesse... more efficient combustion means more power. More power means less time on the throttle to achieve a given speed. Less time on the throttle means improved gas mileage. Amazing! :bigthumb:

Well why would mazda buck up for a motor that has a combustion chamber remsembling a mongoloid forehead?

i guess your nutswingers still e-mail you links?

Well why would mazda buck up for a motor that has a combustion chamber remsembling a mongoloid forehead?Well, they did include a spare set of spark plugs to try to fix the problem. :)

i guess your nutswingers still e-mail you links?No, finding references to my name is pretty easy.... even when people purposely misspell it to try to avoid calling down the wrath of God on themselves. :bigthumb:

Well, they did include a spare set of spark plugs to try to fix the problem. :)




Still not sure why the're there if you don't care about emission. Powerloss can be made up in the timing freedom and big pump boost.

Still not sure why the're there if you don't care about emission.Well, Mazda sure as hell didn't use 3 plugs per rotor in the 26B for emissions reasons. They did it for more efficient combustion of the fuel being delivered and more power was the result.

Finishing combustion in the exhaust doesn't do you any good, and dropping to a single plug is *not* the magic answer for more power without detonation. Without changing anything else, it just leaves more fuel unburned in the combustion chamber, which lowers combustion temperatures and reduces the chances of detonation. You could do the same by richening fuel delivery with 2 plugs per rotor, but everyone's so damned desperate to get every last horsepower out of their little engines that no one wants to leave a reasonable margin of safety if it means not making that magic number on the dyno. :bigthumb:

[QUOTE=jimlab]Well, Mazda sure as hell didn't use 3 plugs per rotor in the 26B for emissions reasons. They did it for more efficient combustion of the fuel being delivered and more power was the result.

/QUOTE]

Not trying to advocate leading only here. just saying form experience that CDI on a leading only can make some power. We stl redneck don't have Downing here consulting on dyno day. Leading only allows for a lot of freedom timing wise, and big boost on pump gas. eric has been freaking out over Kans tunes for a few months on the forum because we haven't had that influence before. We were just doing what we could with the knowlegde that existed ehre. Shit, everyone was on 20= degrees of split before then.

^?. The 26B is the 4 rotor race engine in the 787 right? Wasnt it a totally one off engine or does it share dimensions with other rotaries?

^?. The 26B is the 4 rotor race engine in the 787 right? Wasnt it a totally one off engine or does it share dimensions with other rotaries?It's just a longer 13B with 3 plugs per rotor. :)

I knew the internals were the same/similar spec with four rotors but i thought the block was a lot different and a weird alloy or something. i remember a pic of something like that. i love the intake sytem on that motor though, telescoping intake!!

Any one have video of the 787 running at 7stock? ive seen the 3 clips that exsist on the net and i cant get enough.