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BATMAN
05-16-2006, 11:30 AM
“The Da Vinci Code” has undermined faith in the Roman Catholic Church and badly damaged its credibility, a survey of British readers revealed Tuesday as tensions over — and hype for — the forthcoming film reached a fever pitch.

As its stars off headed to walk the red carpet at Cannes, where the film was set to debut Wednesday before a worldwide release Friday, at least two countries limited the film's release.

The British survey, released by a group of prominent Catholics, revealed that readers of Dan Brown's blockbuster novel are twice as likely to believe Jesus Christ fathered children and four times as likely to think the conservative Catholic group Opus Dei is a murderous sect.

“An alarming number of people take its spurious claims very seriously indeed,” said Austin Ivereigh, press secretary to Britain’s top Catholic prelate Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor. “Our poll shows that for many, many people “The Da Vinci Code” is not just entertainment.”

He heads a prominent collection of English Roman Catholic monks, theologians, nuns and members of Opus Dei, who commissioned the survey from pollster Opinion Research Business (ORB) and have sought to promote Catholic beliefs amid the film’s release.

ORB interviewed more than 1,000 adults last weekend, finding that 60 percent believed Jesus had children by Mary Magdalene — a possibility raised by the book — compared with just 30 percent of those who had not read the book.

The group, which stopped short of following the Vatican line of calling on Catholics to boycott the film, accused Brown of dishonest marketing based on peddling fiction as fact.

Ivereigh complained that Brown and film studio Sony Pictures “have encouraged people to take it seriously while hiding behind the claim that it is fiction.

“Our poll shows they should take responsibility for their dishonesty and issue a health warning.”

The novel, which has sold over 40 million copies, also depicts Opus Dei as a ruthless Machiavellian organization whose members resort to murder to keep the Church’s secrets.

In the survey, readers were asked if Opus Dei had ever carried out a murder. Seventeen percent of readers believe it had, compared with just four percent of non-readers.

Opus Dei spokesman Jack Valero said he was astonished.

“Since we were founded in 1928, Opus Dei has promoted the highest moral standards at work, spreading a message of Christian love and understanding,” he said.

“Yet the Da Vinci Code has persuaded hundreds of thousands of people that we have blood on our hands.”

Release halted in India
Though controversy has largely emanated from Europe and the United States, India took perhaps the strongest move against the film Tuesday, temporarily halting its release until it could be screened for Catholic groups. The move came in response to sporadic protests by some Christian and Muslim groups.

Information and Broadcasting Minister Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi said he had received more than 200 complaints. The release “may be delayed by a day or two,” he said.

“We are a secular country. On any sensitive issue, we should take action after we examine every aspect,” Dasmunshi told reporters. “We have to be careful.”

The national censor in the largely Catholic Philippines, meantime, gave the film an “adults only” certificate on Tuesday, banning under-18s from viewing it. Consoliza Laguardia told reporters the film, based on the best-selling novel of the same title, required “mature discernment” because of a plot that involves Jesus Christ having a child with Mary Magdalene.

Laguardia also cited scenes of “self-flagellation involving clerical assassination, violent images and a fleeting sexual ritual,” but she said the film did not directly attack the Catholic Church and did not merit an X-rating or any cuts.

Because SM cinemas, the largest chain of movie theatres in the Philippines, does not show R-18 films, the move will largely push “The Da Vinci Code” out of Philippine theaters. But it will hardly stop eager patrons from watching.

Manila’s hawkers have already started flogging a documentary on “The Da Vinci Code” as the real movie, and pirated copies of the feature film are expected to hit the streets soon.

Elsewhere, the film is expected to be shown around the world with a PG-13 rating.

Last week, the Philippines’ powerful Catholic bishops gave priests guidelines on how to refute the book’s plot and reminded parishioners that the novel was a work of fiction. But they stopped short of calling for the film to be banned. But some younger Filipinos were angry at what they saw as faith intruding on entertainment.

“Something such as religion should not be a standard for whether we should let movies be played,” said Peterson Poon, 16. “It annoys me that I have to buy a DVD.”

Such local efforts come amid the Vatican's vocal effort to dissuade viewers worldwide from flocking to what church officials view as a misleading and heretical piece of work. The latest message came Monday, when the Vatican's culture minister portrayed the popularity of “Da Vinci” as a shocking indication of mass ignorance and the “voluptuous pleasure” the media take in promoting works with no basis in truth.

Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, told Europe 1 radio he had no objection to people seeing the film if they understand it is fiction, but many would watch this “nonsense” and think that it was true.

‘Shocking and worrying’The film of the best-selling novel, which says Jesus had a child with Mary Magdelene and the Roman Catholic Church hushed this up, debuts at the Cannes Film Festival on Wednesday.

Poupard is the Vatican’s highest authority on cultural issues after Pope Benedict.

“This is a shocking and worrying cultural phenomenon that reflects, on the one hand, the ignorance of millions of people and, on the other, the voluptuous pleasure the media take in promoting products that have nothing to do with the truth,” the 75-year-old French-born cardinal told the radio station.

Italy’s most senior cardinal, Camillo Ruini, also lambasted the film’s plot as “fantasies and falsifications” but said he believed people were more fascinated by truth than illusions.

“If it is clear this has nothing to do with truth and it amuses you to go see it, why not?” he said when asked if movie-goers should boycott the film, which stars Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou.

In recent weeks, cardinals have urged everything from a boycott of the film by Catholics to legal action against both the novel and the film.

But the dust-up hardly dissuaded “Da Vinci's” stars from taking a turn in the spotlight. Tom Hanks and his fellow cast members set off Tuesday for Cannes on the high-speed Eurostar train.

The special train, nicknamed The Da Vinci Code for the occasion, was in pursuit of a world record. Going nonstop over the 883 miles from London to the festival in southern France would put it into the Guinness World Records book.

Hanks, who plays Robert Langdon in the film, posed for pictures Tuesday at London's Waterloo station with Audrey Tautou, Ian McKellen, Paul Bettany, Jean Reno and Alfred Molina, director Ron Howard and author Dan Brown.

Manntis
05-16-2006, 12:24 PM
If their faith can be undermined by a single fiction novel, they didn't have much faith to begin with.

The irony is that the Christ worshippers crying bloody murder about the Da Vinci Code include many of the same who chuckled "what's the big deal? It's just a book. Have a sense of humor!" to the Muslims who got upset about the Satanic Verses.

aznpoopy
05-16-2006, 02:35 PM
even if you are a non-christian, you have to agree that the bible was right in comparing people to sheep.

Tofuball
05-16-2006, 03:23 PM
If their faith can be undermined by a single fiction novel, they didn't have much faith to begin with.

I agree 100%

even if you are a non-christian, you have to agree that the bible was right in comparing people to sheep.

I agree 100%

<Lots of text goes here>

I agree 100%




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That was easy :)

Manntis
05-16-2006, 03:43 PM
science != society

science is a method for analysing data, not a code dictating social customs.

JPAccord
05-16-2006, 03:50 PM
i'm not a sheep. The corruption of society isn't science's fault. Let's take all of the funding for medical research and science in general and build more churches! That'll fix the problem! Get real.

vrooom305
05-16-2006, 04:08 PM
indeed, people follow the herd right off the cliff into hell

bullshit god goes base jumping...I've seen him do it....

falnfenix
05-16-2006, 04:08 PM
If their faith can be undermined by a single fiction novel, they didn't have much faith to begin with.

MOST "christians" don't really understand the religion they claim to follow...they say they're christian(or one of the various denominations) to make themselves feel better. back when i was still a devout Catholic, we'd call them the "sunday Catholics" - they show up on sunday, and forget everything the rest of the week.

though i might not believe in what i was originally taught, people who are THAT transparent about their "beliefs" honestly make me ill. if you're going to say something, stick by it...to the end. otherwise, STFU.

KatakanaKarl
05-16-2006, 04:25 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/KatakanaKarl/talkaboutgod.jpg

BATMAN
05-16-2006, 05:04 PM
don't u think we here ur bible talk all the time?

ur sooooo subjective in ur beliefs.

tough breaking outta that village idiot mode eh?

Tofuball
05-16-2006, 05:18 PM
don't u think we here ur bible talk all the time?

ur sooooo subjective in ur beliefs.

tough breaking outta that village idiot mode eh?

Don't you think we hear your anti-bible talk all the time?

You are so subjective in your beliefs!

Tough breaking out of that 'goderator' mode, eh?

:dunno: :p

BATMAN
05-16-2006, 05:30 PM
sure..... it's reactive.

91lx
05-16-2006, 05:54 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/KatakanaKarl/talkaboutgod.jpg

let's talk about some dental work.

Tofuball
05-16-2006, 07:10 PM
Man, I'm convinced that whitening stuff weakens the teeth

Slightly yellow = healthy! :)

Say No To Pistons
05-16-2006, 07:12 PM
^ wtf redneck

rtryb2200
05-16-2006, 07:19 PM
Is the world flat too?

BATMAN
05-17-2006, 12:46 AM
problem is, you're a rebel without a cause

what exactly is your cause? advancement of porn?

who ever said that i had a cause.

ur the one with a cause.......... ur version of the word of God.

Not only do u talk more shit about non-christian beliefs, u even attack the ones that aren't ur flavor of bible thumping.

fcdrifter13
05-17-2006, 12:53 AM
I never did get why people let movies get to them.

falnfenix
05-17-2006, 04:16 AM
I never did get why people let movies get to them.

people don't like the possibility that a movie might actually make them think... :dunno:

bx7
05-17-2006, 05:44 AM
Although I haven't seen the movie or read the book, I've watched a few shows on the Hitler (history) channel covering the topic. I'm no expert but I sort of get the idea behind it. And feel free to correct me. I believe the point is this, that Mary Magdalene and Jesus were sort of partners and the Mary is the grail since she held the child (blood line) of Jesus.

As a follower of Christ, what grieves me about the film is that people will view this film, never read a gospel account and come to the conclusion that the Catholic church is somehow involved in a conspiracy to withhold the truth.

If the Bible is the truth, and I hold a firm belief that it is, then I have to consider that everyone around me, including you folks in here, is doomed unless they come into a saving relationship with Jesus. It is my job to defend the faith and to spread the gospel message, I've been commissioned. And now, because of some fiction book, I'll probably have to deal with another argument against Christ by people who would never consider his message in the first place.

If you're going to deny Christ, fine, but do yourself a favor. Pick up a copy of the Bible in a version you can understand. I recommend NKJV or NIV. Read the 4 gospel accounts of Jesus: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Don't just roll your eyeballs over the words, consider what the authors are saying. Consider the words of Christ. It won't take you more than a few nights of reading for a half hour. It's not about Mary Magdalene, although I would never besmirch her. She had a faith that allowed her to see the resurrected Christ before the disciples. It's the power of God to salvation to those of us who have been allowed to understand it. It's foolishness to the rest of the world.

Listen to what I'm telling you. Faith is mysterious thing, it is a gift from God. Not everyone will get it. It means so much more than being able to believe in God. It's a key. You can't please God without it, even though you must get it from him first. Even if you fed all the starving people in the world and cured cancer and saved everyone from dying, you couldn't please God without faith. A way to get faith is by reading (to the point of understanding) God's word.

Tofuball
05-17-2006, 10:34 AM
I can attest that a few years ago, that book changed my life :)

fcdrifter13
05-17-2006, 02:57 PM
Shit now I cant remember the last movie people bitched about. And the only reason people bitch about movies really is becasue either they didnt like it, understand it, or want a chance at there 15mins of fame.

JPAccord
05-17-2006, 03:00 PM
YZF... do you think Satan has a copy of Passion of the Christ on dvd to watch when he gets lonely in Hell?

2ndGen.Rocket
05-17-2006, 06:27 PM
There will be alot of dissent against this movie because a good portion of people probably will take it seriously, which equals some lost faith in Christianity, particularly Catholicism. Lost faith in Catholicism=Less people going to church. Less people going to church=the church making less money. It's all a machine, it's all bullshit, it's no different from tobacco companies not wanting bad publicity, it's no different from airlines wanting bad publicity. It's a business, it has been for a long time, and it will continue to be.

rtryb2200
05-17-2006, 07:14 PM
Much to your dismay catholicism is a sect of christianity

A "Christian" includes any group or individual who seriously, devoutly, prayerfully describes themselves as Christian. Under this definition, Christianity includes: Roman Catholics, Southern Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, United Church members, even a small minority of Unitarian Universalists, etc.

Supper
05-17-2006, 08:54 PM
heh...

Mormon's don't even use the real bible, how can you group them with Catholics? If you don't believe me, go read a bit of the King James version vs. the "real" bible. Joseph Smith and his 'golden plates.' He had to have been smoking something really good when he came up with that one.

Say No To Pistons
05-17-2006, 08:57 PM
do they have a doggy/kitty heaven?

rtryb2200
05-17-2006, 09:02 PM
I just copied and pasted that part, I was searching for the catholic part....I will have to agree about mormons

2ndGen.Rocket
05-18-2006, 06:06 AM
Yeah I don't get the whole mormon thing. My room mate and his family are mormon however, and I don't think you could ever tell. They're just nice people, I don't think they've mentioned their church once. As a matter of fact every Mormon I've known has never brought religion into a conversation. Christians on the other hand.....

Some of you should take a ride to Burnsville, NC. There you can go to the crossroads where there is a Baptist church on each corner. It started with one, then the other 3 were built when the crazy Baptists started disagreeing with what each church had to say, and so built their own. One of the churches doesn't allow members to lay in a tanning bed.

Praise Jesus!! I have never and will never align myself with the ignorant backwards assholes in this state. One of them swore to me the other day that left handed people are 10 times as likely to be gay than right handers. I personally know about 40 people that think the internet is a tool of Satan. Of those 40, about 35 still hide all of their money in their home, whether it be in a box or a safe. I saw a man walk into a client's shop 2 days ago and purchase a $12,000 tractor with 50 cent pieces. No joke, he had milk jugs with 24,000 JFK half dollars in them. These are the people bitching about this movie, who will bitch about other things that don't agree with their backwards views, and who are generally wrong about every aspect of life. Once again, praise Jesus.

Tofuball
05-18-2006, 06:48 AM
Ah, yes, I can see the direct connection between a bunch of crazy/ignorant people in your town and the teachings of Jesus. :P

Supper
05-18-2006, 07:41 AM
Yeah I don't get the whole mormon thing. My room mate and his family are mormon however, and I don't think you could ever tell. They're just nice people, I don't think they've mentioned their church once. As a matter of fact every Mormon I've known has never brought religion into a conversation.
let me put it to you this way...

I live three miles from Utah. Less then 90 miles away from SLC. Every night on the local news, there is always a story involving the mormon church. The local highschool here has a class called "CBST" (Community Based Structure Time) but only the mormon kids take it, then they walk 100 yards away from the school and go to their church for whatever the hell they call their bible study hour. Every school, and I mean every school has a mormon church within one block of it. There are herds of missionaries that wander around town handing out copies of the King James Bible. If they discover someone isn't a mormon, they file their address and that person is then swamped with missionaries until they either 1) cuss them out 2) say "What are you talking about I am mormon 3) tell them you will call the cops/pull a gun on them if they keep pushing their religion down their throat.

There are a couple locally owned restaurants here that feed all those missionaries for free every fucking day, yet they charge us $10 for a sammich?

The mormon church would do this thing called "Missionary Week" where all the highschool aged mormons would come to school in their sunday best and try to convert people.






... sorry about the rant. But IMO Mormonism is the biggest cult in the world. Especially when they -require- the correct amount be tithed to the church every year, not like catholics or lutherans that just request, the mormons fucking require it.

edit: they have proven that the reason so many temples and churches are built by the Mormon's is that they have to hide their profits some way so the government can't start to tax them.

Tofuball
05-18-2006, 08:46 AM
'Govt cant tax religious organizations :O

Lotsa cults love that :P

Supper
05-18-2006, 09:00 AM
'Govt cant tax religious organizations :O

Lotsa cults love that :P
:dunno:

Oh well. Mormon's should still be taxed to the fullest.

BATMAN
05-18-2006, 10:28 AM
YZF and his 700 club are nothing but hoodrat shit stirrers.

It's one thing to make it a Christian against islam and non believers, but it's another thing to attack other christian faith and make these self proclaimed statements that they are fucked up.

I'll give u a clue folks, if u ask catholics, mormons, etc. they will say that whatever YZF believes in is probably a crock of shit.

At the end of the day it's subjective beliefs that one is right and all bullshit....

Manntis
05-18-2006, 11:37 AM
wherever there is Truth, there are many counterfeits....it's always that way....not many counterfeits of the Muslim faith, now are there?

Once again you speak from ignorance. There are several separate schools of thought within Islam; Sunni Islam alone is divided into the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, and Hanbali schools, each subtly or not-so-subtly disagreeing with each other just as various Protestant churches quibble amongst themselves over the 'true meaning' of bible passages. Then of course there are the Shi'ites, who disagree with the Sunnis much as Catholics and Proddies disagree.

Tofuball
05-18-2006, 04:23 PM
YZF and his 700 club are nothing but hoodrat shit stirrers.

It's one thing to make it a Christian against islam and non believers, but it's another thing to attack other christian faith and make these self proclaimed statements that they are fucked up.

I'll give u a clue folks, if u ask catholics, mormons, etc. they will say that whatever YZF believes in is probably a crock of shit.

At the end of the day it's subjective beliefs that one is right and all bullshit....

Ah, but YZF, his beliefs are not contradictory, like the aformentioned :p

I mean, if you're going to pick a 'religion,' even a false one, wouldnt you want it to at least hold a little water? :)

2ndGen.Rocket
05-18-2006, 04:48 PM
Ah, yes, I can see the direct connection between a bunch of crazy/ignorant people in your town and the teachings of Jesus. :P


As a follower you would choose to ignore the connection, even though it's a glaringly obvious connection. Where does the majority of America's Jesus freaks reside? The bible belt. The south, the midwest, and some other select rural areas. Now, let's put this all together:

Jesus' biggest fanbase is in the bible belt

The vast majority of the bible belt is made up of rural areas

The vast majority of these rural areas are impoverished, uneducated, and ignorant

Hmmmmmm.....I don't know about you, but I see a pretty clear connection. Every bible slinger that preaches to me down here is coincidentally an idiot, home schools his freakish children, and does not know a goddamn thing about life outside of the 20 acres his great grandaddy left him. Imagine what would happen if these people were exposed to reality for a while?

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