Why are uberchristians so concerned about the scientific study of how the universe was created? Are they insecure about their faith? Are they worried they'll be proven wrong soon, concerned that as man uncovers more of the truth the very foundation of their religion will crumble?

fairy tales???? hmm i think it is far more of a fairy tale to believe in a mythical man who suposedly created everything who has nothing better to do than point a finger and go "because i said so this person is going to have such a horrible life because i feel they need to be tested"

oh and don't get me started on the bible.................a book that was created 600 years after christ had died hmm sounds fishy

oh don't get me wrong i don't dispute some dude named jesus chist ever lived it's just everything else that makes no sense

oh and don't get me started on the bible.................a book that was created 600 years after christ had died hmm sounds fishy

It won't matter to you because you cannot or will not escape the perceptions you've made about reality but here goes... even the majority of secular scholars date the books of the NT to the first century. You would be laughed out of academia with your position.

I'm almost finished reading this book, which I know would help you determine what makes sense about Jesus:

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Real-Jesus-Journalist-Investigates/dp/0310292018/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231847483&sr=1-1

Why are uberchristians so concerned about the scientific study of how the universe was created? Are they insecure about their faith? Are they worried they'll be proven wrong soon, concerned that as man uncovers more of the truth the very foundation of their religion will crumble?

Your question does not come with any references to support it. I say they should study all all they want, just don't rule out that possibility that there was a creator.

Uhmmmm, what references do you need bx? Are you blind to what your brothers in faith are saying about the non-faith based scientific community?
Open your eyes and look around you.

BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL, BIBLICAL TRIPE, PRO CRATIONIST TRIPE, PERSONAL OPINION (more tripe), PERSONAL INSULTS, BIBLICAL MISREPRESENTATION, MORE PRO CREATIONIST TRIPE, SOME NON-CHRISTIAN HATE (and tripe), followed up of course with more EGOMANIACLE PSYCHOPATHIC DRIVEL.
Duuuuude! No one reads your shit!

It won't matter to you because you cannot or will not escape the perceptions you've made about reality but here goes... even the majority of secular scholars date the books of the NT to the first century. You would be laughed out of academia with your position.
This is exactly the type of shit that makes you easily recognizable not as a christian or pro creatist, but as an asshole.
There's simply not need for that. None. And this type of behavior from screwballs like yourself is just exactly what this thread is all about.

the pursuit of science is the quest for knowledge, but the riddle of origins will never be resolved scientifically...if anything, I'd say atheists are running scared (as they should be) and very eager to force fit fairy tales into their search for answers

no
losing members means losing money in their coffers. i mean, how are they going to spread the word if they cant afford to post 'you must feel guilty to be a christain' crap on tv?

has anyone ever noticed that bible grammer sounds like it was written by and designed for people that indulges in street pharamceticals? (sp).

Uhmmmm, what references do you need bx? Are you blind to what your brothers in faith are saying about the non-faith based scientific community?
Open your eyes and look around you.

First I need a definition for 'uberchristian'. Then I want some soundly gathered polling data that proves the statement.

This is exactly the type of shit that makes you easily recognizable not as a christian or pro creatist, but as an asshole.
There's simply not need for that. None. And this type of behavior from screwballs like yourself is just exactly what this thread is all about.

Fine, but my point is still the truth. The acceptance of the NT books dating to the first century is an opinion held by the majority of scholars. Check books by authors including Norman Geisler, Dan Wallace or Bruce Metzger for specific dates and support from academia.

Why are uberchristians so concerned about the scientific study of how the universe was created? Are they insecure about their faith? Are they worried they'll be proven wrong soon, concerned that as man uncovers more of the truth the very foundation of their religion will crumble?

They very much are concerned which is exactly why they spread lies and propaganda Herr Goebbels would be proud of . The more knowledge that is gained in the world the more their foundation based on lazy ignorance continues to decay.


Fine, but my point is still the truth. The acceptance of the NT books dating to the first century is an opinion held by the majority of scholars. Check books by authors including Norman Geisler, Dan Wallace or Bruce Metzger for specific dates and support from academia.

That's quite a "secular" group you have there....lol

Fine, but my point is still the truth. The acceptance of the NT books dating to the first century is an opinion held by the majority of scholars. Check books by authors including Norman Geisler, Dan Wallace or Bruce Metzger for specific dates and support from academia."Majority Rules" doesn't work in science, freshman.

The more knowledge that is gained in the world the more their foundation based on lazy ignorance continues to decay.
Absofuckinlutely

X2

Incredulous bible believers are unwilling to accept any truthes that conflict with their faith. Which is exactly why there are people such as yourself spreading dogmatic lies as a crutch for your temple of cards.

Thank God those silly-ass Bible writers didn't say something really stupid, like the Earth is flat, eh marky?:roll:

Show me something scientific to disprove the existance of Santa Claus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster. There is no point in telling you anything. There is a reason why I said incredulity.

oh brother, not this claptrap again

the world was changed by Jesus Christ, no one can deny that unless you live with your head in the sand

the authenticity and accuracy of the scriptures has many lines of physical evidence

the Jews have been "regathered from many nations", exactly as predicted

Greek mythology or other legends have no bearing on reality in 2009, so your strawman is eliminated

The world has been changed by many people. So what.

That god guy really knew a lot about Palestine and current affairs of the time. So much info on the place where the ignorant camel headers supposedly were divinely inspired. What did he have to say about Asia and the Americas?

That god guy sure didn't say anything very god like.

Uhmm, -was Nostradamus written about in the Bibble?

and most accurate

So he wrote shit that came true some 1000 years after the bibble, and the best you can do to shrug it off is to call him a "false prophet" that the bibble wars idjits like you about?

"Here is my book. Read my book and believe everything in it. It's true because I said so. Others will say it's not. Don't believe them. Believe me, instead. Believe me or I'll punish you in the most severe manner man can come up with. Believe me and I will reward you in the most desirable manner man can come up with."

Hmm. Makes sense ta meeee...

Fuck science and logic. I'm goin' to Disneyland!

Show me something scientific to disprove the existance of Santa Claus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster. There is no point in telling you anything. There is a reason why I said incredulity.

Well, I think it has been conclusively proven by now that spaghetti doesnt have the proper shape, or the strength needed, to fly effectively while still staying intact. At least not for more than a half mile or so....

Well, I think it has been conclusively proven by now that spaghetti doesnt have the proper shape, or the strength needed, to fly effectively while still staying intact. At least not for more than a half mile or so....I beg to differ...http://taskboy.com/img/flying_spaghetti_monster_with_man.jpg


-It's the meatballs that give it it's strength.

in all fairness, that is a still shot, and in no way represents any sort of distance flown with the noodly appendage power in effect.

Get us some youtube vids and you may have a point....

Show me something scientific to disprove the existance of Santa Claus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster. There is no point in telling you anything. There is a reason why I said incredulity.

sorry just saw this post


Santa is real or well he was til he died :"(


but thats the thing i mean hell they found the so called tomb of jesus who if i remember corectly his tomb was right beside his sons- yeah thats right he boned the hooker!!!!!!!

and the fact that jesus wasn't the only child by mary and joseph, but hey no religous person speaks of that or will even admit it

sorry went a little of track there i just really wanted to post about santa

Get us some youtube vids and you may have a point....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqgHere it is, man. As real as real gets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqgHere it is, man. As real as real gets!

I didnt see anything flying there....its standing on a building...how do we know it really flew up there? it could have climbed with noodly precision!

Also, that isnt even a good youtube vid. as punishment for this failure, you must watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW7WrKDyuM

"Majority Rules" doesn't work in science, freshman.

You're correct Grasshopper, the opinion of the majority doesn't determine reality. That's something evolutionists need to remember. However the most reasonable conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence of the NT manuscripts is that do in fact date to the first century. Even secular scholars admit this.

That's quite a "secular" group you have there....lol

True, but I don't say that they are. I've been reading books from them recently and I know they use secular sources. If this is something that you're interested I can get a list of support from secular scholars.

I didnt see anything flying there....its standing on a building...how do we know it really flew up there? it could have climbed with noodly precision!

Also, that isnt even a good youtube vid. as punishment for this failure, you must watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW7WrKDyuMListen Jack,
You say he doesn't, I say he does. I think that you're jaded by your ingrained beliefes that it simply isn't possible, and I realize that this same arguement can be use against me in reverse, as well. But the difference here, and the reason these things escalate so much, is because of the sheer arrogance you exude while shooting down what would most definitely be acceptable as proof if it were used to support your belief!
There's simply NO REASON to get obnoxious about this!
"Punishing me" with that disgustingness was simply childish.
-As childish as refusing to aknowledge the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, depite the overwhelming heap of scientific evidence!

Here; this video demonstrates how it's not possible that the FSM is anyone else but God, himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBfNsPDw1I&feature=related

You're correct Grasshopper, the opinion of the majority doesn't determine reality. That's something evolutionists need to remember.Scientists may "concur" with one and other, and often they are divided about certain issues where the "proof" for the differences remains yet inconclusive. But they NEVER base conclusive fact on what the majority in their community says is fact.
Religious persons simply accept, without question, that "fact" is simply whatever the majority in their community is.
However the most reasonable conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence of the NT manuscripts is that do in fact date to the first century. Even secular scholars admit this.That's "1st century after Christ", right? I mean, there's simply no reasoning with someone who insists that the earth is only 6000 years old.

I'll change course slightly since I already know what you're going to say...

Of all the most popular religions, Christianity is pretty much the one that requires the least amount of discipline. I mean, all you really have to do is study a book, go to church, give to the church, and brainwash yourself into the idea that everyone else is wrong, and you are part of the only group of people on earth who are right and have a shot at immortality in heaven.
-But you don't really have to sacrifice much.
It's a pretty relaxed religion in that regard.
I think that lends well to it's popularity these days. But early on, when VERY few could even read, when no one was educated, when even the most trivial things could not be explained to the common man, when almost every common man was being oppressed in some manner, Christianity offered a really great deal, and it was easy as Hell to believe the shit in the bibble.
Today, the fear of losing moral continuity keeps people bound in some fashion to the words in the bibble. Even those who are not faithful enjoy peace and harmony in a culture (the US, for example) where basic laws are founded on morality as defined by the bibble.
So it's easy to see how Christianity carries over into these modern times, even despite how much smarter the common man is than he was 1500 years ago. It also explains the fact that very few of the many, many people in the US who claim to be "Christian" believe everything in the bibble, -In which case, by the definition of those who are devout, they are actually NOT really Christian.
All this leads up to a very basic theory I have that I cannot prove, but it certainly makes sense...
If you took the common man of 1500 years ago who had absolutely no exposure to the bibble, and showed it to him, and told him it was the truth, and as long as he believed in it, he would enjoy immortality in heaven, that man would slurp it up, hook line & sinker. (And they did.)
But if you did that same thing to a modern man who had never been exposed to Christianity or any other religion, educated in mere simple science- not even the basics of evolution, chances are extremely high that it would be a hard fucking sell.
Try it with the same man who does know even more science than the average high schooler, and you're bound to be laughed at.
This is relative to the bibble, not the existence of God. See, this is where that all stops...
All those part-time Christians? They may not qualify for Christian status by the the devout, but they do believe in God.
Why?
-Because of fear of the unknown. The mysteries of the universe (including our own planet) are slowly being unlocked. Science is uncovering facts that support the idea that the universe is billions of years old. It's not taking a whole hell of a lot to DISprove scripture alleging the earth is a mere 6000 years old.
So part time Christians, (or as sky calls them, "buffet Christians"), don't believe everything in the bibble. They are instantly turned on by thumpers like mark because they provide a threat to the contents of the bibble. Soon, very key points in the bibble might be scientifically disproven, making the history of the creation it contains basically null & void altogether among buffet Christians.
Christianity will eventually become so watered down that fundamentalism will become seen even [i]more like psychopathy.

...Majority rules, indeed.