Thin Air?

Everything that we know and understand consists of a beginning and an end, however, this does not discount the possibility that the infinite exists. You can't disprove something simply because we are unable to comprehend it in our current state.

So he was always here?

No clue, but if I had to guess, that is what I would say.

That doesn't seem logical.

I do know where god started. our imagination. Now thats talking logical.

That doesn't seem logical.

Umm... that's what I've been saying this whole time. You want logical? Don't think about the origin of the universe, but no matter what you believe, nothing will be logical.

That still doesn't make sense.

That still doesn't make sense.

God is the uncaused cause. If not, then everything around you is in a sense eternal, infinite. Why so? Because if there is no singular cause of the universe then logically it must have always existed, infinitely and eternally. That you don't understand this doesn't make it illogical or senseless. Either you can't abstract enough to grasp it or it's never been explained to you at your level of understanding.

If there is no creator, then time has always existed. It would have been without cause. If time has always existed you have to consider that it never had a beginning and it will never have an end. This may seem to make more sense to you but then you should ask yourself why it exists at all? If there is no cause how did it come into existence. When you can abstract like this it becomes easier to apply it the whole universe. It exists and this is great but why does it exist when it could just as easily if not more easily not existed at all?

A lot of people struggle with believing in God when there's so much "evidence" for evolution out there. Skip this and jump right to the origin of the universe. I chuckle at short sighted morons who spend their lives promoting evolutionary science and denying God based on a couple of rocks and bones here on planet Rube when there's a whole universe out there screaming order and design.

may i tiir?

That still didn't make sense.

and i shake my head slowly when people say they know god yet describe god as something that nobody can make sense of.

may i tiir?

That still didn't make sense.

and i shake my head slowly when people say they know god yet describe god as something that nobody can make sense of.

Go back to bed.

im going to be real tired tonight for sure

i hope you know that you don't have to believe in evolution to believe there is no god

+1

i hope you know that you don't have to believe in evolution to believe there is no god

Your point needs explanation. If there is no God and we didn't evolve from a spontaneously created form of life, then, how do you think we got here? If your answer is aliens, well alright, where did they come from originally? That still doesn't touch the origin of the 'verse.

That still doesn't make sense.

You're fucking stupid.

See you guys in 3 days when the ban is lifted. :peace:

Everything that we know and understand consists of a beginning and an end, however, this does not discount the possibility that the infinite exists. You can't disprove something simply because we are unable to comprehend it in our current state.


Like 'vast epochs' ?

Well don't lay the burden of this question on religion. Or try to disprove God with this question. Look at it from an atheist point of view. Where did anything begin? Where did the materials from the big bang come from?

Welcome to the world of infinite regression. Complex things just don't suddenly appear and that is what the evidence supports. So even if there was ANY evidence (which there isn't) to support the existence of god. Chances are he himself did not spontaneously become complex enough to devise everything.

LMFAO @ the claim that athiests/agnostics claim "aliens did it". Talk about a lie

contradicts what you just said...are you that confused?

No because I don't think complex things such as God suddenly appear. He himelf would have to be a product of natural selection.But thanks for agreeing whith me.

it's hardly a "lie", it's an increasingly prevalent belief system, because most rational/logical individuals recognize complex life didn't just "happen", yet the concept of Design by the unseen Creator offends them

Harldy and I think you will have a hard time demonstrating so. But you are right in saying rational/logical individuals recognize complex life didn't just happen.

Got it. God in the gaps.

As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.

LOL I knew that would get you worked up. Life is cyclical we're just looking at the universe through a straw. It's not too complicated. Higher knowledge is not evil. Just like the forbidden fruit. It did make them like God. Knowing good from evil was the first step. Do you really think God wants to dominate you for eternity? Don’t you think he would want to teach you everything? We are talking about eternity here.

God evolved from man.

what does that have to do with God and His Word? truth is truth...long before Joseph Smith showed up


What would you say Jesus is? Is Jesus a God? There are many instances in the bible where it's pretty confusing.

Christ is the "image of the invisible God", the Triune God


HUH?

Psalm 82:6

6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

that doesn't make sense

that's because you are stupid

that's because you are stupid

ha! at least i have a good excuse to go to hell. you'll go to hell for cooking up books, ya fornicator! :owned::owned::owned::owned:

i still don't get it. Are you sure that is gods words and knot the writers word? it pretty common for words to be written down for human communication. cant see why god would need A vehicle like stone or hemp-weed paper to express himself.. are you people sure god exist?

So is God alive or just eternal energy? Make up your mind.

eternal? like a cavity? i can think of a cavity right now.

im think more in line of god quickly filling up your exit cavity with the stuff mary likes

Mary was a virgin :scratch:





























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You're preaching but I'm not believing.

Thank you I worked hard on that.

God is the uncaused cause. If not, then everything around you is in a sense eternal, infinite. Why so? Because if there is no singular cause of the universe then logically it must have always existed, infinitely and eternally. That you don't understand this doesn't make it illogical or senseless. Either you can't abstract enough to grasp it or it's never been explained to you at your level of understanding.

If there is no creator, then time has always existed. It would have been without cause. If time has always existed you have to consider that it never had a beginning and it will never have an end. This may seem to make more sense to you but then you should ask yourself why it exists at all? If there is no cause how did it come into existence. When you can abstract like this it becomes easier to apply it the whole universe. It exists and this is great but why does it exist when it could just as easily if not more easily not existed at all?

A lot of people struggle with believing in God when there's so much "evidence" for evolution out there. Skip this and jump right to the origin of the universe. I chuckle at short sighted morons who spend their lives promoting evolutionary science and denying God based on a couple of rocks and bones here on planet Rube when there's a whole universe out there screaming order and design.

My points here still reign supreme in this butt-brained discussion. Eternal regression is just plain illogical. It does not explain the origin of anything. Only the uncaused cause makes sense. Most of you are ignorant by choice, not for lack of intelligence.

Mary was a virgin :scratch:

:boobies:

but was she is the question

i believe joe discharged in her :asshole: and shit if all aint bad luck jesus popped out.

My points here still reign supreme in this butt-brained discussion. Eternal regression is just plain illogical. It does not explain the origin of anything. Only the uncaused cause makes sense. Most of you are ignorant by choice, not for lack of intelligence.

maybe in your case, the uncaused cause makes sense. but when you say 'there is no god' it all falls together and fits perfectly. ah, its soooo easy to blame others for their ignoranus, huh?

So is Jesus a God?

*sigh*....READ! OPEN YOUR EYES!


No! I want you to say yes he is or no he isn't!

So there are two Gods or three?

I really prefer the smaller answers that don't involve long quotes that I haven't the time nor desire to read.

Question: Is God the father and Jesus and the Holy Ghost three separate things?

Question: Do they share the term or position of "GOD"?

Question: Whom do you pray to?

These answers should not require more than two or three sentences at the most. I want the world according to you so no quotes please.

if you're too lazy to read a couple of passages of scripture, there isn't much hope for you

No I just want your words. Not quotes.

three "personalities" if you will, one God...the Trinity cannot be fully comprehended by anyone

Three personalities? Jesus was here. He is flesh and blood. He is a perfect resurrected person. Wasn't Jesus and us created in God's image? Now if that's true God must have a body. How could Jesus have a body and the Father not have one? Aren't we going to be resurrected?

we pray to the Father, through the Mediator...there is one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus

So is Jesus a man or a God. You said before he is a God. Are we "man"?

What is that saying? Lets use this one.

Genesis 1:27 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Jesus was just the bastard child of the "virgin" Mary who was just having sex out of wedlock and didn't want to be excuited so she said her son was god. Doesn't that make more sense?

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So they are all three seperate and we are in their image.

Jesus was just the bastard child of the "virgin" Mary who was just having sex out of wedlock and didn't want to be excuited so she said her son was god. Doesn't that make more sense?

Well that does sound good. But That was a damn good sell she did. I mean come on, she tells this story and people have been following her son ever since.

People are crazy when it comes to religion, look at Mark. And how often do you hear about a disfigured indian baby that is Sheva(sp) reincarnated.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337492,00.html

Here's one

not separate...ONE...again, not comprehensible to human beings

we are created in the image of God in that we can comprehend spiritual matters, and have immortal souls, God is not human, God is Spirit

"Let us make man in our image"

It doesn't say any of that stuff you just said. I think that's about as plain as you can get. Let US........make man.........IN OUR IMAGE.

bah, I'm done with you (and this thread)

That's what I thought.

bah, I'm done with you (and this thread)

:owned:

I'm not going to play 20 questions with some guy trying to justify his erroneous belief system..



Don't get mad because the stuff you're preaching doesn't add up.

the wisdom of God is foolishness to those who are perishing...


No you're the one who is foolish. God gives you a scripture that is so plain and clear.

"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

In our image, in our likeness. But you still say God isn't a man. But you would say Jesus is a God and you would have to admit he is a man. But I'm the one who is foolish?

I know God, we go to the bars on friadys and try to pick up virgin Marys.

Why did you start this thread? Anyone else see my point about useless questions now (don't answer that czar, not interested in your stupidity today)?

*sigh* read the scripture

How about I give you some scriptures.

Exodus 33
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

Genesis 32
30 ..I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Acts 7
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Why did you start this thread? Anyone else see my point about useless questions now (don't answer that czar, not interested in your stupidity today)?

To see the point of view of religious people on the origin of god.


And to mock Mark.

Mock him for what? For the fact that he believes in something? What do you believe?

I believe in working hard and making money.

Mock him for what?

His blind faith that he allows to cloud his perception between logical and illogical.

Why did you start this thread? Anyone else see my point about useless questions now (don't answer that czar, not interested in your stupidity today)?

ah, but you are interested! and it seems I'm likely the only one here that reads your genius, my Einstein friend. however, i do like to point out your oxymoron coined phrase 'useless questions' failed after your finger types the letters. well just put it to rest into a file called useless phrases from ark. keep it up, son!

:bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:

This thread fails. It's now about something awesome.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/a-12/images-and-thumbnails/ch2_3.jpg

And:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/images/methaneblast/testfiring.wmv

I am never going to light my farts again.....

*sigh* read the scriptures

How about I give you some scriptures to read.

Exodus 33
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

Genesis 32
30 ..I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Acts 7
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

go back to posting dirty pictures, you have no business quoting scripture

Just say you don't know. Stop changing the subject.

I know what those verses refer to, the pre-incarnate Lord (except for Acts)...it has absolutely zip to do with your erroneous Mormon beliefs


I think it's your belief's that are erroneous. We're not talking about my religion. We're talking about God. You quote verses that are vague and make no sense. I show you verses that are plain and to the point and you change the subject. You contradict yourself and make arguments that run around in circles.

It must be hard for you. Having doubt in your beliefs when you can't understand the logic behind your argument.

because you have zero spiritual discernment, you are spiritually dead


and you have the discernment of a Kool-Aid drinker


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/amishboy/mark2.jpg

because you have zero spiritual discernment, you are spiritually dead


and you have the discernment of a Kool-Aid drinker


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/amishboy/mark2.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/amishboy/AbsolutJonestown.jpg

His blind faith that he allows to cloud his perception between logical and illogical.

Oh, so you are able to discern what is logical? I had no idea. Why are you holding out on the rest of us? Please, regale us with your boundless knowledge.

ah, but you are interested! and it seems I'm likely the only one here that reads your genius, my Einstein friend. however, i do like to point out your oxymoron coined phrase 'useless questions' failed after your finger types the letters. well just put it to rest into a file called useless phrases from ark. keep it up, son!

:bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:

Okay, it's a new day, and I've got my trusty shovel again with me.

It seems that you are not sure of the proper application of the word "oxymoron". I would ask you to explain to me how the term replies to anything that I've said here, but I know doing so will simply result in more incoherent dribble (see your quoted post above). Just pat yourself on the back and think to yourself that my asking a question about useless questions constitutes an oxymoron, then follow it up with pissing on yourself elsewhere. We'll just put it to rest in a file called "what czar always does". Keep it up, gramps.

Maybe if you open your eyes you could see the bullshit he is spewing like a volcano.

He actually thinks God is going to come back and smite the sinners in his lifetime.

Why did you start this thread? Anyone else see my point about useless questions now?

Right there, you asked a useless question.

Maybe if you open your eyes you could see the bullshit he is spewing like a volcano.

He actually thinks God is going to come back and smite the sinners in his lifetime.

And so you say that it is illogical, meaning that there has to be something that is logical. Open my eyes then. Tell me what is logical so I can be wise like you.

Right there, you asked a useless question.

Neither question is useless. The first one addressed why you started this thread, which you answered. The second one touched on a topic in another thread that reinforced the notion held there (whether such reinforcement exists beyond my own mind is irrelevant).

Okay, it's a new day, and
It seems that blah blah blah. Keep it up, gramps.
I see, so the deal is if ark doesn't understand what an oxymoron is and if someone points it out to him, he simply has a brain meltdown and tries to reflect his ignorance on that person.

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:owned::owned:
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:owned::owned::owned:

Good ol' czar. How's the new job going?

its all good brotha!

lol I've been an office hack like yourself for a few months now. Who knows, maybe ill transfer to the North Carliner office where you will buy me adult beverages.

yzf has ADD. he still thinks I weld

see? very short attention span