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Manntis 10-02-2005, 12:49 PM As many of you know, I'm a huge fan of biodiesel. When you pull gas (even diesel) out of the ground, you're releasing carbon into an atmosphere from a million-year-old reserve. The atmosphere has since rebalanced itself since that carbon went missing, and introducing it now is basically introducing new carbon into a delicately balanced system. Such pollution is likely the cause of observed global warming, indirectly spinning off (no pun intended) into things like hurricane Katrina and Rita. So fossil fuels cost us at the pump and in massive global damage.
In contrast, crops like Canola soak up carbon from the current atmosphere, then release it when burned. It's also used as a cooking oil by restaurants, which then have to pay to have the waste oil hauled away - but the waste oil, though used to heat food, is still rich in fuel energy.
Biodiesel has far superior fuel system lubrication properties, lower tailpipe emissions, and lower environmental impact during production - especially when you take a waste product, such as used cooking oil, and turn it into fuel, which uses a small amount of electric power versus drilling deep into the ground, pumping oil, transporting it, paying an army of employees to extract and transport the oil, etc.
I'm obviously also a fan of rotaries. So why not a rotary running on biodiesel?
With a few notable (and expensive) exceptions, rotaries have been gasoline powered engines. Using regular diesel, B10, or biodiesel wouldn't be possible in a conventional rotary, and designing a new diesel-specific rotary would drive the cost far higher than the $3500 average cost of a conventional internal combustion engine.
However, there is a way it could work.
I transplanted the engine and rebuilt tranny from Pamela, my old GSL-SE, into Carmen, my new one since Carmen's engine was a bit weaker. This leaves me with one of the most reliable rotaries ever built, a fuel injected, normally aspirated 13B, laying around for experimentation. I'm looking at replacing the plugs, coils, sparkplug wires, etc. with a catalytic ignition system - a hollow, metallic body with flame nozzles and precombustion chamber - which is threaded to screw onto the engine block in place of conventional spark plugs. The catalytic heating element initiates combustion (and controls timing). A timed catalytic reduction of the pre-chamber's activation energy should produce almost instantaneous combustion in the pre-chamber, then the flames propegate into the rotaries combustion chamber for complete burning and mechanical power creation.
This should create a more complete fuel vaporization and burning, and reduce the complexity of the intake system since the fuel is injected at the pre-chamber rather than in intake runners. It sohuld also reduce the rotary's notorious poor emissions as the burning begins in a pre-chamber then continues in the combustion chamber rather than beginning in the combustion chamber and flinging unburned fuel out the exhaust port.
This would also allow a rotary to run on a renewable fuel without the need for an expensive hydrogen creation and distribution infrastructure. Because the fuel is created from a waste product using a chemical catalyst and a small amount of electric current, and creates a valuable byproduct (glycerin), its possible to have our sports-car cake and eat it too, while substantially reducing environmental impacts of fuel creation and combustion.
In theory, the small amount of unburned fuel circulating with the rotor would also reduce engine wear, as biodiesel is far superior to gasoline as a lubricant and could thereby greatly reduce or eliminate the rotary's need for burning oil o lubricate itself.
A smooth running engine with cleaner emissions, lower friction, reduced number of engine parts - and all from a wankel manufactured in the early 80s :)
Say No To Pistons 10-02-2005, 04:59 PM no! fuck it. im running regular gas, its not like the world is going to blow up in my life time. im just going to live maybe a year less and its just going to get a few degrees hotter in where im living.
Savington 10-02-2005, 05:50 PM Global warming is a hoax. Read "State of Fear" by Michael Crighton. Fictional story, real facts to back it all up. Urban warming is reality; global warming is a hoax. And the sea levels aren't rising, either; you can't accurately measure sea level. The glaciers aren't melting, either; some are melting, but the vast majority are actually growing.
wonner 10-02-2005, 05:58 PM Global warming is a hoax. Read "State of Fear" by Michael Crighton. Fictional story, real facts to back it all up. Urban warming is reality; global warming is a hoax. And the sea levels aren't rising, either; you can't accurately measure sea level.
:rolleyes:
The glaciers aren't melting, either; some are melting..
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That's an interesting idea for making the fuel ignite with the typical 9:1 rotary compression ratio. Sounds almost like direct injection for gas only it's precombusted diesel. How were you planning on preventing reversion in the precombustion chamber, check valve or something else?
It would be amazing to see something like this running though, we could run rotaries on distilled fry oil. :)
Supper 10-02-2005, 09:57 PM but the vast majority are actually growing.
not the case with the polar ice sheet.
Or with the permafrost in Alaska. Or the glaciers in Greenland where in some areas ice has seen the light of day for the first time in several thousand years. Same goes for Antarctica. Areas where the ice used to be miles thick, is now only meters thick.
Say No To Pistons 10-02-2005, 10:06 PM :rolleyes:
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LMAO. omg shes soo hott...more wonner more! :drooling:
Manntis 10-02-2005, 10:35 PM Global warming is a hoax.
wrongo in the congo.
Since the industrial revolution stepped up around 1850, greenhouse gasses have jumped from a heretofor steady 150 parts per million to 383 ppm today. That's a fact. Ice is melting in the arctic and antarctic because of this - that's also a fact. And while the number of hurricanes have remained steady per annum since 1952 when record keeping began, the number of category 1 & 2 storms has dropped while cat 4 and 5 have sharply increased. Why? Because the Gulf of Mexico has become 3 degrees warmer in the summer than it used to be.
These figures are already measured, the ice is already melting, the storms have already happened, and the gasses are already up there.Virtually every climatologist and paleoclimatologist (you know, the people that make it their life's work to study this sort of thing), after analysing this and other data, agree that the Earth is warming when it should naturally be cooling and that human industry is the culprit. Yet you hold up a fiction book as 'proof' that none of these things exist?
ComradeGiant 10-03-2005, 12:56 AM So, Savington.
Ever learn to drive something other than a toy?
Kids should be seen and not heard.
RX7_2ner 10-03-2005, 02:14 AM global warming is almost believable.
Ultralights 10-03-2005, 03:40 AM just think of the cheaper produce with the polar ice cap gone! direct route to europe!
oh and not to mention with the increase in CO'2 in the atmosphere, trees are growing at the fastest rate in history! just like any living thing, lots of food= lots of growth!
all we have to do is stop choping down the forest! and give nature a chance to restore balance, which it will do.
or all we need is 1 massive volcanic eruption to lower the earths average temperature a few degrees.
BATMAN 10-03-2005, 10:50 AM don't diesels work on detonation?
Cosby 10-03-2005, 11:01 AM What are your thoughts on the timing split and the durability of the engine for this kind of combustion?
batman - yes, but in theory this shouldn't be too much harsher on the engine. It isn't detonation so much as preignition that damages these engines. If you can control the point at which the fuel "detonates" then you won't have any force pushing back on the engine and that is what causes damage.
ComradeGiant 10-03-2005, 01:33 PM Its certainly an interesting idea.
And with biodiesel as cheap as it is in my area (got to give credit to the hippies on this one sadly) I'd be interested.
meddle 10-03-2005, 02:20 PM What are your thoughts on the timing split
Think about that statement.
aznpoopy 10-03-2005, 02:35 PM Global warming is a hoax. Read "State of Fear" by Michael Crighton. Fictional story, real facts to back it all up. Urban warming is reality; global warming is a hoax. And the sea levels aren't rising, either; you can't accurately measure sea level. The glaciers aren't melting, either; some are melting, but the vast majority are actually growing.
i cloned a t-rex by splicing dinosaur dna with frog dna. want to buy it?
DarkAngelKamui 10-03-2005, 02:43 PM i cloned a t-rex by splicing dinosaur dna with frog dna. want to buy it?
Fictional story, true facts? ;)
Cosby 10-04-2005, 01:13 AM Think about that statement.
Granted I wasn't very specific but if you want to be a smart ass I'll elaborate for you.
1) Diverging flame fronts from chamber 1 -> chamber 2
2) Proven Significant gains from using both sites of ignition
3) An unequal surface like a rotor face / housing combination could be a huge problem for a diesel
Cosby 10-04-2005, 01:13 AM http://www.freedom-motors.com/
Manntis 10-04-2005, 12:17 PM http://www.freedom-motors.com/
Too bad freedom wants $8,000 for a 90hp rotary short block
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