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BATMAN
12-07-2005, 09:35 AM
Calling a foreigner a "dirty negro" in Italian is not necessarily a racist insult, Italy's highest court has ruled.

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The verdict, relating to a case where a group of Italian men punched and insulted some women from Colombia, caused deep unease at a time when Italy is struggling to contain racism.

The court on Monday ruled in favor of one of the men, who argued he was not being racist when he launched the assault with the words: "Sporche negre -- cosa ci fanno queste negre qua?" ("Dirty negroes -- what are these negroes doing here?")

Most Italians would have no doubt that calling someone a "dirty negro" was a racist insult. The term is seldom heard and is considered no more acceptable in Italy than it would be in Britain or the United States.

However, an insult should be judged racist "only if it is motivated by real hatred," or is likely to cause racial hatred in others or lead to "discriminatory behavior for reasons of race, ethnicity, nationality or religion," the court ruled.

On the other hand, the crime of racism is not constituted by expressions of "generic dislike, intolerance or rejection based on race, ethnicity or religion," which appeared to fit the case in question, the court said.

Politicians across the political spectrum criticized the ruling and said it could not have come at a worse time.

RACIST SOCCER CHANTS

Soccer matches around Italy began late on Sunday as players unfurled banners saying "No To Racism" in response to an episode on November 27 when Marc Zoro, Ivory Coast defender for Messina in Serie A, the top division, threatened to walk off the pitch because of racist chants from Inter Milan fans.

"This judicial interpretation is astonishing," said Green Party lawmaker Paolo Cento.

Luigi Bobbio, of the conservative National Alliance party, said the verdict was the result of "a subtle poison (that) has seeped into our jurisprudence: originality at all costs."

The supreme court is no stranger to controversial judgments.

In recent years it has ruled that "an isolated and impulsive" pat on a woman's bottom at work did not constitute sexual harassment, and returned a verdict that a woman could not have been raped because she was wearing skin-tight jeans.

Carlo Fucci, the vice president of Italy's national association of magistrates, warned that the court's ruling "could blunt the weapons that can be used against racism."

As part of the campaign against racism, all but one of the parties on Milan's city council this week appealed to the mayor to grant Zoro Milan's most prestigious award, a golden statue of its patron saint, Ambrogio.

The populist Northern League party, which is often accused of racism, dissociated itself from the appeal.

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 09:46 AM
I don't see how "dirty negro" is automatically a racist term...

If it's meant as a term to describe, then hell... That's all it is...

If it's a generalization, THEN it's a problem.... This particular story makes it seem like it was, though....

AmishBoy
12-07-2005, 10:19 AM
What country has the worst racism or violence towards blacks?

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 10:35 AM
I'm not even sure anymore... I'd say it's the US, but I can't really speak such things without knowing if I'm right....

My second guess would be certain parts of Africa, but that'd be more of a "class and actual tribe" thing then just plain out race hating....

vrooom305
12-07-2005, 10:48 AM
What country has the worst racism or violence towards blacks?

just for the hell of it, I'll say Ireland

meddle
12-07-2005, 11:24 AM
What country has the worst racism or violence towards blacks?


Africa hands down. Africans have more internal hate and kill more niggars than probably every country combined.

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 11:30 AM
lol, can't say anything about the "internal hate" part, but I probably agree on the other bit....

Africa isn't just ONE country, after all... And with differeny countries struggling for power on a daily basis in certain parts, it pretty much fits as a possibility

Ryosuke91t
12-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Africa hands down.


I can't believe I'm actually doin gthis but...



^+1...They have the most instances of massess of black Africans being slaughtered than any other country...of course those deaths were instituted by the whites in office at the time but..:banghead: they still claim on paper that they have'nt done anything.


On the topic: Italy allows the rape of women in skin tight jeans...nuff said.

meddle
12-07-2005, 11:47 AM
lol, can't say anything about the "internal hate" part, but I probably agree on the other bit....

Africa isn't just ONE country, after all... And with differeny countries struggling for power on a daily basis in certain parts, it pretty much fits as a possibility

Not one country, but one it is the planet earths landfill, so its ok to lump them together. You can't really list an African counrty anyways, they change names every fiscal quarter. Da peoples united liberated republic of jibba jabba jive.

BATMAN
12-07-2005, 11:52 AM
So ur stating that blacks killing blacks is something that the whites (from the top) have mandated in one manner or another?

Supper
12-07-2005, 11:57 AM
On the topic: Italy allows the rape of women in skin tight jeans...nuff said.
If thats the truth, I'm moving to italy http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/7f68b6d0.gif


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DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 11:58 AM
Not one country, but one it is the planet earths landfill, so its ok to lump them together. You can't really list an African counrty anyways, they change names every fiscal quarter. Da peoples united liberated republic of jibba jabba jive.

LoL

Ok... Now that was just funny....

Thanks a lot for making me bust out like that in the office :mad:

meddle
12-07-2005, 11:58 AM
On the topic: Italy allows the rape of women in skin tight jeans...nuff said.


Of all the unpleasant things that africa is the global leader in, rape is high on the list.

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 12:13 PM
Of all the unpleasant things that africa is the global leader in, rape is high on the list.

Evidence? Maybe even some stats?

Yeah, I know rape is definately an issue in Africa, but I can't really see it being a LEADER...

If you've got proof, though.... :dunno:

meddle
12-07-2005, 12:17 PM
Evidence? Maybe even some stats?

Yeah, I know rape is definately an issue in Africa, but I can't really see it being a LEADER...

If you've got proof, though.... :dunno:


It's AFRICA! Nothing gets reported to authorities.

meddle
12-07-2005, 12:19 PM
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1264/is_4_33/ai_90041132

meddle
12-07-2005, 12:23 PM
In 1994, after decades of propaganda in the media and sentimental whimpering from the churches, South African Whites were finally persuaded to hand power over to Black Communists, who installed an ANC ("African National Congress")/Communist government that, for some strange reason, failed to follow Marxist ideology when it came to expropriating the business interests of the Oppenheimer family, who dominate South Africa's economy. They did succeed, however, in making South Africa into a multiracial sewer with one of the highest violent crime, murder, rape, and AIDS infection rates in the world. The media made a saint of Nelson Mandela, a convicted terrorist who had been imprisoned by the White government there, and when the Whites capitulated he was made President.

First two search results.

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 12:24 PM
It's AFRICA! Nothing gets reported to authorities.

Heh, I know that already.... How else would I know about the rapes, outside of personal tales and international news? :D

But you posted the proof, so I can't really argue against it... It only helped back what I pretty much already knew and feared....

I can vouch for the fact that targets are mostly always young girls....

Manntis
12-07-2005, 12:42 PM
...of course those deaths were instituted by the whites in office at the time ...

That's sort-of true in Rwanda, where the artificial creation of Hutus and Tutsis lead to the 'ethnic cleansing' after Belgian withdrawl... but there is tons of black-on-black violence in African countries that has nothing to do with whites, and goes back to old tribal differences. There's also black-on-white violence, with cases of whole families of white farmers being slaughtered with machetes so local militant blacks can have the land without having to buy it.

Like anywhere in the world, Africa has racial issues. We in the West tend to get confused because they're all Black, but Nubians and Nigerians are a different as Irish and German, and there's tons of racism in Africa that has little or nothing to do with skin colour.

BATMAN
12-07-2005, 12:48 PM
it's funny when blacks cry about whites giving them shit when whites have a history of being racists towards each other.

Just look at the Irish, Italians, etc.....

Ryosuke91t
12-07-2005, 12:49 PM
So ur stating that blacks killing blacks is something that the whites (from the top) have mandated in one manner or another?

You'd be suprised how easy it is to get un-educated people in the same community to kill eachother by feeding them lies and guns...and not in "one way or another" but many different ways.

What do you think the steps are to breaking the mental will of a group of people? What steps would one have to take to make sure that damage is affects the future decisions of generations?

BATMAN
12-07-2005, 01:02 PM
well, if that were true, my response is:

TOO BAD.

Natural selection on the fast track.

meddle
12-07-2005, 01:04 PM
well, if that were true, my response is:

TOO BAD.

Natural selection on the fast track.

Agreed.

Supper
12-07-2005, 01:04 PM
by feeding them lies and guns.
great... don't tell me you're one of those anti gun people as well...

Ryosuke91t
12-07-2005, 01:17 PM
nope, guns are inanimate objects. People would ban hammers for the crushed thumbs statistic if they could.

I dislike it when countries feed guns to stupid peple for profit and then complain when the entire region becomes unstable.







"from my cold dead hands"

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 01:26 PM
So ur stating that blacks killing blacks is something that the whites (from the top) have mandated in one manner or another?

Oh, I dunno about all that...

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Alex-7
12-07-2005, 01:28 PM
Those pics are as fake as the holocaust.

DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 01:32 PM
Those pics are as fake as the holocaust.

O rly? Try and prove them invalid...

:wiggle:

Alex-7
12-07-2005, 01:44 PM
O rly? Try and prove them invalid...

:wiggle:


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DarkAngelKamui
12-07-2005, 01:48 PM
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Alex-7
12-07-2005, 01:50 PM
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Zone
12-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Oh, I dunno about all that...

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/DarkAngelKamui/Chop%20Material/f58169cd.jpg
Ironic that Idi Amin is nobody to look up to.

FSURedFD
12-08-2005, 04:11 AM
Just once I'd like to see DAK get furious with white people because of a social issue regarding the mistreatment of blacks. Gosh man, you take the fun out of racism. We only do it to see you guys squirm and have marches and shit ;)

DarkAngelKamui
12-08-2005, 07:57 AM
Just once I'd like to see DAK get furious with white people because of a social issue regarding the mistreatment of blacks. Gosh man, you take the fun out of racism. We only do it to see you guys squirm and have marches and shit ;)

I know you would, but that'd give WAY too many people on this board the satisfaction they don't really need...

You'll just have to make do with the other small fry that happen to come through here.... Besides, I'm way too fair minded to even try to jump on the "racial bandwagon" with the other less-intelligent people of the world...

Truth isn't always what you see and hear, after all....

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