Guess you must have missed the bombings and arson of abortion clinics and the shooting of clinic personnel and patients over the last decade or so...

Every time a government figure references a religious figure, it affects our lives.

Religions are just organized cults that we all accept as reasonable.

...But always a "warfare". Ne'er a hand held out, nor a promise of love unabashedly made.

Religion truly is the bane of mankind. It will ultimately lead to his demise.
Best that, than for us all to wither away upon having foolishly squandered our host planets resources.

In any case, faiths are self serving. The goal is selfish and simple... To achieve blissful immortality. It is this faith in immortality that separates the true good hearted man ruled by morals that come from his own conscience from the weak minded men that cannot graple with the fact that when yer dead, yer dead.

you guys crack me up with this shit.

religion is the bane of mankind? lol. :rofl:

gtfo nubs. mankind is the bane of mankind.

t minus 10 posts (perhaps 20 posts) until the move/lock :bigthumb:

"Religion is the bane of mankind" simply because man refuses to unite in his humility and admission of fault. Ultimately the undoing of man's doing is...his own "doing". Men insist they are humble before their master, yet they all believe their masters' agendas include the irradication of other men.

-I did not say "God" was the bane of mankind.
"Religion" is manmade.

^best sig ever!

it's a warfare with fools like yourself, who oppose the Truth
Yes Mark, I understand, but the parameters set forth by your faith define "fools like yourself, who oppose the Truth" as pretty much the entire rest of the world...-About 96% of them!
Not only that, but "Christians" such as yourself actually put others who also believe they are "Christians" in the same group of the condemed.

The "warfare" is no more than bogus egomaniac elitism.

no, that is not genuine faith

you are hopelessly warped
Yes Mark, I understand, but (...you like that? ;) ) you, for example, -as a self proclaimed "True Christian", and a man of genuine faith, have mentioned the eternal pain all of us "fools who oppose the Truth" will suffer far more than you have EVER mention the Light of the Love and Wisdom of the Lord.

...Why is that?

Is it because the prospect of a blissful immortality is supposed to tempt souls into cohersion just as much as the prospect of a painful immortality is supposed to instill fear?

It's jive, Mark. -A scam. Faiths have man comin' and goin'.
Do these things and you'll live forever in bliss. Don't do them, and you'll burn.
Simple.
Simple, forced love. Mmmmm. Tasty. ALMOST the real thing. ;)

Mark, do you have a crucifix or any cruciform jewelry?

Dude, that's SICK!

That's like threatening to smack yer wife or kid if they don't show you "true love"!

I think this is a big gray area. Violence is only viewed as bad when you are the recipient or so liberal you think the world is a big Disney movie with a happy ending around the corner.

Religion is not the only thing that causes the masses to strike out with violence. How did our country start? I’m sure the British thought of us as terrorists.

Now I’m not advocating violence for any reason but you can’t live with your head in the ground either.

I believe abortion is murder so to me, which is worse? Something else about abortion too how many doctors or what kind of doctors will do it? Allot of people are quick to advocate something like abortion until someone asks you to kill a baby and pull it out. Not many people can do it. We try to play it down by calling it a fetus because it sounds better. But fetus is Latin for “young one” or "offspring".

Fetus does mean offspring, yes. And zygote means fertilized egg ,and embryo means full to bursting. And?

Abortions are most commonly performed between the sixth and twelfth week of pregnancy, where conception occurs at week two and birth occurs at week forty.

The cells are a zygote until 14 days after conception, and an embryo for another 6 weeks after that, which brings us up to 10 weeks into it. So if most abortions (90% in fact) occur between week 6 and week 12, that's 4 weeks of embryo abortions vs. 2 weeks of fetus abortions.

Fetus does mean offspring, yes. And zygote means fertilized egg ,and embryo means full to bursting. And?


We try to play it down by calling it a fetus because it sounds better.


And I am all for women's rights to their body by the way.


I believe in their right to keep their legs shut, not to kill a baby.

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html

Looks like nothing short of a human to me...

I believe in their right to keep their legs shutSo rape victims that conceive should have to carry the baby to term and raise it?

You and the rest of the do-goody interfering Christians should be forced to adopt all the unwanted babies and have to do without government assistance while raising them to adulthood. You want to force other people to do the same thing, so surely you wouldn't begrudge a poor little unwanted fetus food and shelter for 18 years?

Oh, gee, now that you put it that way... that would be a HUGE inconvenience and financial burden that you don't want and possibly can't afford, right? Starting to get the picture? Probably not. You're happy to meddle in someone else's life as long as you're not affected, and tell them should be forced to deal with it, but if the shoe was on the other foot? Oh, hell yeah, legalize abortion NOW! :rolleyes:

The last thing the world needs is more people, especially unwanted babies that are unlikely to be raised to be anything but a burden on society.

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html


that was fucking sick.

that was fucking sick.

Still think it's "just some cells floating around" or a human?

So rape victims that conceive should have to carry the baby to term and raise it?

You and the rest of the do-goody interfering Christians should be forced to adopt all the unwanted babies and have to do without government assistance while raising them to adulthood. You want to force other people to do the same thing, so surely you wouldn't begrudge a poor little unwanted fetus food and shelter for 18 years?

Oh, gee, now that you put it that way... that would be a HUGE inconvenience and financial burden that you don't want and possibly can't afford, right? Starting to get the picture? Probably not. You're happy to meddle in someone else's life as long as you're not affected, and tell them should be forced to deal with it, but if the shoe was on the other foot? Oh, hell yeah, legalize abortion NOW! :rolleyes:

The last thing the world needs is more people, especially unwanted babies that are unlikely to be raised to be anything but a burden on society.


I thought we were talking about Christian perpetuating violence?

You brought up abortion clinics and I expressed my point of view of how abortion was murder. Everyone can rationalize his or her beliefs or violence.

Just like you can justify killing a baby.

Still think it's "just some cells floating around" or a human?

i don't remember calling a fetus 'just some cells floating around.'

i'm not going to claim i know when life starts, but if its got eyes and little hands and little feet then i'll probably feel real bad putting a vacuum to it and sucking it out of its womb.

Pretty sad when the question isn't "is this human life we're taking?"... the question is "is it going to inconvenience someone by not letting them kill others?"

I see points to both sides and i'm really undecided... but this kind of thought being considered over top of the value of human life is pretty vain...

i don't remember calling a fetus 'just some cells floating around.'

i'm not going to claim i know when life starts, but if its got eyes and little hands and little feet then i'll probably feel real bad putting a vacuum to it and sucking it out of its womb.

I'm not quoting you... i'm quoting a generalization of lots of people... but yeah.... that video had me have more hardcore anti-abortion feelings than most anything.

That is a human in that video.... that can't be denied... and it'd take a sick fuck to harm it... the end.

So rape victims that conceive should have to carry the baby to term and raise it?



If you get raped they give you that morning after dose of pills, which inhibits the egg from being fertilized. So I can't really see that as being the same thing.

It’s not like finding out two months after the fact and saying I’m too busy or something

If you get raped they give you that morning after dose of pills, which inhibits the egg from being fertilized. So I can't really see that as being the same thing.

It’s not like finding out two months after the fact and saying I’m too busy or something

This is the first post you've ever made that is....

A: Coherent
B: Thoughtful

This is the first post you've ever made that is....

A: Coherent
B: Thoughtful


:cuddle:

Still think it's "just some cells floating around" or a human?Of course it looks like something that would eventually be a baby human, just like the fetuses of any other animal looks like a miniature version of the animal, but you seem to be acting like the thing already had a social security number and a mini birth certificate...

If you get raped they give you that morning after dose of pills, which inhibits the egg from being fertilized. So I can't really see that as being the same thing.Not all rapes get reported, bright boy. What about incestual rape?

Just like you can justify killing a baby.Don't worry, I can think of several reasons why you shouldn't be wasting perfectly good air either.

in the case of rape or incest, or if the child is simply not wanted, the child should be put up for adoption.Sure, force the person who was raped to carry it to term, give up their life for 8+ months, and face being ostracized by family and society. I can see you've given this one a lot of deep thought... :rolleyes:

I think we should implant one in your ass and let you carry it to term if you feel so strongly about the sanctity of unborn life.

it is perfectly reasonbleAre you even capable of posting in a thread without quoting scripture or web site propaganda at people?

You obviously don't do a lot of thinking for yourself, but then again, I wouldn't expect someone who opted for the "Psychology degree" of engineering degrees to be a deep thinker...

I was beginning to worry that I was the only pro-choice one.. and I was beginning to vomit from all this self-righteous bullshit

This is the first post you've ever made that is....

A: Coherent
B: Thoughtful"Thoughtful" and "well thought out" are two completely different things...

The first only demonstrates the capacity for thought. The second demonstrates the capacity for logic. Amish ain't there yet. :D

I thought we were talking about Christian perpetuating violence?
I don't anyone knows WTF the conversation topic is anymore.

In keeping with the thread title, in the US, Christians, Christian wannabes, and ChristiaNazis are all pushing an agenda on our government that shares common conservative grounds.

Jimlab is 100% correct...The last fucking thing we need on this planet is more people that are born unwanted, into shit for family, that will not only more than likely become a burden to society for the rest of their lives, but also NOT be fucking Christians!!! (...and we all know THAT's what REALLY matters :rolleyes: )

Don't set precedence and political & social policy for ME based upon the foundations of YOUR religion.

I'm all for abortion. In fact, I'm more than just for the right, I advocate it! I SUGGEST it!
And what's a true LOGICAL thing to do, which we certainly have the technology for now, is to make mandatory the implanting of a device the uterus of a woman who comes in for an abortion that will release birth control for five years.
This will ensure the stupid bitch doesn't keep killing babies, and it will be the "price" one pays for an abortion.
The same operation should be offered to all American women free of charge.

Alas, the obstetrics medical money-go-round would grind to a fucking halt, and we can't have that!
After all, there's a thin line between doing the right thing, doing the logical thing, and ensuring there's a market for not doing either.

Amishboy, women should keep their legs shut?
Yeah, yer absolutely right. You've no doubt asked yourself, "How could that girl have been so stupid as to have thrown away her life by getting knocked up?!"

You and me and probably most everyone that joins this discussion is not only responsible enough to take responsibility for our actions, but also wise enough to understand the repercussions of them before we actually do them in the first place. However, never underestimate the pathetic, fat, lazy ass ignorant fuckness of the American public. If left to their own devices, people act like complete assholes.
Point is, if we could hold everyone to a standard of MORAL culpability...if we could trust everyone to do what was right...if we could EXPECT people not to act like silly suds every fucking chance they got, then yeah, we could make abortion illegal and no one would be the wiser because it would be a non issue.
But you can not force moral conviction because there's no way to police it.
Putting things into law does not change the mindset of the people.

To those that wanna spread your Christian rhetoric; You really wanna change the world and make everyone morally responsible and redefine the threshold of socially acceptable scruples? Then show people the Light of the Lord, and show them why it's wrong to kill the unborn. Don't implement the judicial system to make it socially enforceable law, because you have NOT SAVED A SINGLE FUCKING SOUL THAT WAY!

Too many "CHRISTIANS" are too busy doing "God's Work" to realize that having Roe v Wade repealed and illegalizing abortion would be a completely hollow victory for you all. You're all delusional if you think that society affords you the same luxury of cut & dry, black & white perspectives of right & wrong as your rhetoric.
There are 290 million shades of gray here in the US., and they're all going to Hell, so LET EM!

I was beginning to worry that I was the only pro-choice one.. and I was beginning to vomit from all this self-righteous bullshitMy guess is that none of these bozos has ever had a family member in the position of carrying an unwanted baby to term for adoption, or gone through the prenatal process themselves and had their own child. You can't even begin to comprehend the inconvenience that just carrying a baby to term introduces into your life until you've lived through it.

Now let's suppose it's the product of forcible rape...

the fact is all these unwanted pregnancies would not be occurring if God's Law regarding marriage and sexuality was carefully observed....chaos always ensues when lawlessness occurs


This has nothing to do with the victim of the rape, they did not make the choice to be raped

This has nothing to do with the victim of the rape, they did not make the choice to be raped
In the eyes of the nonsexual ChristiaNazi, if she was clad in anything less than a black burka, she was inviting it.

when compared to taking innocent life...Innocent life? Don't make me laugh. There's no difference at that stage between a human fetus and a horse fetus except the number of bones and legs.

there simply is no comparison, "inconvenient" or notEasy to say when you're not the one being "inconvenienced".

the fact is all these unwanted pregnancies would not be occurring if God's Law regarding marriage and sexuality was carefully observed.Or if we weren't sweeping sexual education under the carpet and trying to ignore the fact that humans are sexually mature and capable of reproducing at age 13-14...

100 years ago, you married your 13 year old daughter to the farm boy down the road so that they could start breeding more potential workers as soon as possible. Now we pretend that they're incapable of reproducing or fornicating until age 18 or marriage, whichever comes first, and let them pick up the "facts of life" anywhere but in the home because parents today are too goddamned embarrassed to talk about the fact that fucking is part of life and provide their kids with the information and contraceptives to help prevent unwanted pregnancy.

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hopelessly ignorant and unscientificMost of what you post? Yes, that's true.

suffice it to say you are dead wrongI suppose you communed with fetuses and they told you they objected to their innocent lives being taken?

"Thoughtful" and "well thought out" are two completely different things...

The first only demonstrates the capacity for thought. The second demonstrates the capacity for logic. Amish ain't there yet. :D

Which is why I said "Thoughtful" and didn't include "well thought it".... because I meant "thoughtful."



Main Entry: thought·ful Pronunciation: 'tho t-f&lFunction: adjective
1 a : absorbed in thought : MEDITATIVE b : characterized by careful reasoned thinking

The second entry is the one you're thinking of.

So... is this going to smacktalk.... or politics?

Which is why I said "Thoughtful" and didn't include "well thought it".... because I meant "thoughtful."I know that, but AmishBoy didn't... :D

So... is this going to smacktalk.... or politics?Dunno. I haven't called Mark a cuntly little shit yet.

Oops...

Dunno. I haven't called Mark a cuntly little shit yet.

Oops...

I see font size 7 coming now....

So let's summarize.

You said that it was a crock that Christians interfered with other people's lives, and yet predictably this thread is now FULL of proof that you (speaking on behalf of God and unborn fetuses everywhere) want to do just that.

Case closed. You lose again...

resorting to insults is a sure sign you lost the debateNo, it's just a sure sign that I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for you or your opinions...

Christian's don't interfere with people's lives?

Stroll on up to Lynchburg, Va.... Home of jerry falwell's college, church, and domain.

He pushes the local government around. lmao the guy banned hooters... I don't know what he has against owls.

He's a cocky asshole out to make money. He's the leader of your Christian world.

I used to work with a guy that eventually went to work for Jerry... but the church watches christian professional wrestling? lmaooooooooooo

I know that, but AmishBoy didn't... :D




Damn……………….. You’re really reaching now.





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Who are you trying to imitate now? Ryosuke??

According to Christians, we're souls from heaven sent to Earth to test our meddle, yeah? And when we die, if we've 'passed' we go to heaven, if we've 'failed' we go to hell.

When an infant or child dies, the men of the cloth say its all part of God's plan. They explain it by saying the soul has already been tried and is now ascending to heaven.

So isn't it possible that abortion is also part of God's plan? I mean, heaven is a great reward, right? And to be recalled there by God after such a short trial is surely an honour. So why are the same people who preach the rewards of heaven so reluctant to let anyone go there? Unless of course you're an abortion doctor, in which case they're more than happy to give you the good news from the muzzle of a pistol...

Who are you trying to imitate now? Ryosuke??

"I don't know what the fuck they're talking about and I don't have shit to say..... hey.. i'll post random funny images and they'll like me!!!"

So isn't it possible that abortion is also part of God's plan?No, because throughout history it has been repeatedly proven that the Bible is nothing more than a tool used by people to interpret "God's word" according to their own agenda and morality...

Mark is living proof of this.

the same worthless argument could be used to support euthanasia....so where does it end? pretty soon you might as well have a few more Hitlers running around

I think you're getting euthanasia confused with genocide. I support euthanasia. Someone wants to die, let 'em. More beer & popcorn for the rest of us.

I also support a woman's right to choose. The world is overpopulated and there are too many kids in the adoption/foster programs already. If they aren't wanted, why bring them into a world of suffering? Let children that are brought into the world start off with the advantage of loving parents, not ones who would see the child as something to merely tolerate, if that.

And to address Jim's query, rape victims should be given the Morning After pill as part of their treatment.

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more liberal nonsenseNope, just 4+ years of watching you play fast and loose with the Bible, interpreting it as you felt the need or desire to support one of your points.

How do christians interfere? Christianity is forced on society by the government in a program called "12 step" for alcoholics. For most government jobs if caught with a drinking problem a person is forced to go to 12step with no alternative.

Most jobs give little to no option for programs and AA is heavily based on and "trusting in the lord" and comming to terms with the fact that you are a "sinner".

THE RELIGIOUS VIEW ON A.A.

Clergymen of practically every denomination have given A.A. their blessing.

Edward Dowling, S.J.,* of the Queen’s Work staff, says, “Alcoholics Anonymous is natural; it is natural at the point where nature comes closest to the supernatural, namely in humiliations and in consequent humility. There is something spiritual about an art museum or a symphony, and the Catholic Church approves of our use of them. There is something spiritual about A.A. too, and Catholic participation in it almost invariably results in poor Catholics becoming better Catholics.”

The Episcopal magazine, The Living Church, observes editorially: “The basis of the technique of Alcoholics Anonymous is the truly Christian principle that a man cannot help himself except by helping others. The A.A. plan is described by the members themselves as ‘self-insurance.’ This self-insurance has resulted in the restoration of physical, mental and spiritual health and self-respect to hundreds of men and women who would be hopelessly down and out without its unique but effective therapy.”

Speaking at a dinner given by John D. Rockefeller Jr. to introduce Alcoholics Anonymous to some of his friends, Dr. Harry Emerson Fosdick remarked:

“I think that psychologically speaking there is a point of advantage in the approach that is being made in this movement that cannot be duplicated. I suspect that if it is wisely handled—and it seems to be in wise and prudent hands—there are doors of opportunity ahead of this project that may surpass our capacities to imagine.”

-http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_appendiceV.cfm

I once had a conversation about abortion with a Christian friend of mine. He's actually my best friend, which of course immediately nullifies his "Christianity" in your eyes, Mark, I do realize. But the point is, his stance on abortion is about as close to yours as you can get without being a fucking lunatic... (I think everyone here would agree yer about two straws short of snapping into clinic-bomber mode, despite what you say.)

So I said to him, because my whole point was keeping church & state separate, can you make your argument against abortion without ever making reference to God, scripture, or faith what so ever?

-He could not.

This has me thinking, as you have NEVER been able to successfully defend anything you have EVER stated on these forums without making like references...If you would consider us all, not "demons from hell", but rather, "people that do not understand the language of the Lord", you could still have your elitist arrogant prickfuckness, yet void the condescending attitude that makes me want to cleave open yer fat fucking head. You might actually be able to maintain a reasonable conversation, and you would be the champion bilinguist of the board...The interpreter, if you will...The self appointed Ego-Testicular Soul Broker to the "Guy in da Sky"...

Question is, can you actually make any argument without reference to Christianity, and if the answer is, "No.", then how can you suggest that any other Christians can? ...And if no TRUE Christian ever could, then this suggests that Christian politicians and politicians sympathetic to their Christian constituents' agendas will be shaping laws for the rest of us in accordance with The Faith.

THIS is how Christians interfere with everyone's lives.
It's done in the fashion of true democratic due process, but it's not done in the fashion of true democracy.

The collective will of the people undulates like a bowl of gelatin filmed in slow motion in this country, but it's movement is due to the ongoing fight between two very steadfast collectives of our culture...Morality, and greed. These two things work against each other to control the ebb and flow of the laws here.
-Only the bestest of the best can actually make the two work together for their benefit. It's an art. Some politicians, some corporate moguls, and John MacArthur come to mind.

I once had a conversation about abortion with a Christian friend of mine. He's actually my best friend, which of course immediately nullifies his "Christianity" in your eyes, Mark, I do realize. But the point is, his stance on abortion is about as close to yours as you can get without being a fucking lunatic... (I think everyone here would agree yer about two straws short of snapping into clinic-bomber mode, despite what you say.)

So I said to him, because my whole point was keeping church & state separate, can you make your argument against abortion without ever making reference to God, scripture, or faith what so ever?

-He could not.

This has me thinking, as you have NEVER been able to successfully defend anything you have EVER stated on these forums without making like references...If you would consider us all, not "demons from hell", but rather, "people that do not understand the language of the Lord", you could still have your elitist arrogant prickfuckness, yet void the condescending attitude that makes me want to cleave open yer fat fucking head. You might actually be able to maintain a reasonable conversation, and you would be the champion bilinguist of the board...The interpreter, if you will...The self appointed Ego-Testicular Soul Broker to the "Guy in da Sky"...

Question is, can you actually make any argument without reference to Christianity, and if the answer is, "No.", then how can you suggest that any other Christians can? ...And if no TRUE Christian ever could, then this suggests that Christian politicians and politicians sympathetic to their Christian constituents' agendas will be shaping laws for the rest of us in accordance with The Faith.

THIS is how Christians interfere with everyone's lives.
It's done in the fashion of true democratic due process, but it's not done in the fashion of true democracy.

The collective will of the people undulates like a bowl of gelatin filmed in slow motion in this country, but it's movement is due to the ongoing fight between two very steadfast collectives of our culture...Morality, and greed. These two things work against each other to control the ebb and flow of the laws here.
-Only the bestest of the best can actually make the two work together for their benefit. It's an art. Some politicians, some corporate moguls, and John MacArthur come to mind.

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That is the best post of the day.
+100 to e-exp

I was beginning to worry that I was the only pro-choice one.. and I was beginning to vomit from all this self-righteous bullshit

Nah, I'll drop my .02 in and say that I'm pro-choice as well...

Sure, it's an ugly act to kill something like that which is still in development... But there are tons of situations where IMO it'd just be a better choice to do so...

The whole process of adoption isn't as well put together as you'd think, and if we were to actually keep alive every single child till they were born, we'd just have to end up dealing with overpopulation and poverty at a much faster rate then we already do now....

Plus, some make it seem like the act in itself can be done on a whim without some sort of mental trauma to the actual mother afterwards.... It definately ain't no walk in the park, so why try to play "high and mighty" when you could really never relate?

Some interesting abortion facts...
http://www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/Content/ContentGroups/05_Articles/Abortion_in_the_United_States_and_the_World.htm

The first chart has a list of countries along with their abortion rate & percentage stats, but for various years, no doubt due to the difficulties of compiling census data.
I cross referenced the countries with a chart giving their religion/population ratios in percentages (roughly).

I put these into a chart for easy reference, available here:
http://www.sterlingmetalworks.com/Abortion%20rates.doc
(It's clean. You need "Micro$oft Werd, Yo" to see it.)

The highest percentages are in countries where Catholicism, a religion most noted for it's adamant stance against abortion, is more than dominant in the population, and abortion is illegal.
In contrast, countries that had the lowest rates were least comprised of conservative Christian-like values, and also in which abortion is legal.

For all of the possible discrepancies in data that anyone might use in an argument, I also present the high probability that the statistics for abortions performed in countries where the practice is illegal are actually higher than represented simply for the reason that many are likely performed in private.

I did, however, learn something important regarding rape and abortions in the US...something I had read elsewhere, but didn't realize the stat was as low as it really is...
Less than one half of one percent of abortions are actually performed as a result of rape.
Now the wife & I are working on #2 to complete our demonic little family of heathens, and we know from reading that women have only a 10% chance of getting pregnant when they are at optimum ovulation time & temperature.
It has always been difficult to determine the true number of women raped in the US because many are not reported due to fear of either the repercussions or of the stigma psychologically attached to rape.
However, if we take the biological facts for percent rate of pregnancy given random intercourse, we could suggest that because a woman is not fertile but for roughly "X" percent of the time, and multiply that "X%" by the known "10%", we could then associate the actual data figure of women aborting due to rape with a live ratio of the resultant to find a true data number of actual rapes committed in the US annually.
-Of course the factors not figured are the pediphila rapes and other rapes of non-impregnatables, but also not factoring the age catagory of the most likely raped...
(Is anyone understanding my methodoly, here?)
The reason I suggest arriving at a more accurate female rape stat in the US is because the stats accumulated by abortion-due-to-rape are likely more accurate accounts of that percentage due to the fact that so many women do not report a rape if they did not have to deal with an unwanted resultant pregnancy.

Anyway, sorry for the tangent on that, but in any case, the charted stat being so low is why I had never really used the "What about rape?" argument for being pro-choice.

Nah, I'll drop my .02 in and say that I'm pro-choice as well...

Sure, it's an ugly act to kill something like that which is still in development... But there are tons of situations where IMO it'd just be a better choice to do so...

The whole process of adoption isn't as well put together as you'd think, and if we were to actually keep alive every single child till they were born, we'd just have to end up dealing with overpopulation and poverty at a much faster rate then we already do now....

Plus, some make it seem like the act in itself can be done on a whim without some sort of mental trauma to the actual mother afterwards.... It definately ain't no walk in the park, so why try to play "high and mighty" when you could really never relate?

I agree 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself.:bigthumb:

This has me thinking, as you have NEVER been able to successfully defend anything you have EVER stated on these forums without making like references...If you would consider us all, not "demons from hell", but rather, "people that do not understand the language of the Lord", you could still have your elitist arrogant prickfuckness, yet void the condescending attitude that makes me want to cleave open yer fat fucking head. You might actually be able to maintain a reasonable conversation, and you would be the champion bilinguist of the board...The interpreter, if you will...

before you and your kind are steamrolled

Dammit yzf, don't you see you are not accomplishing your goal with your current tactics? You only shun people away from God who quite possibly in another setting or if talked to differently would listen openly to an honest, no-bs version version of what your saying.



edit:God has a laptop with all your posts and is looking for an ow3nd pic to show you when you arrive Smeagle.

Ehh.
You're a fuckin' lunatic. No one can have any kind of reasonable discussion with you.

You bolded the wrong part. Here, let me help:

Psalm 50

"What right have you to recite my laws
or take my covenant on your lips?

You hate my instruction
and cast my words behind you..."

Behind His Words, YOU hide.
You have no strength at all, Mark. You're weak and pathetic...like your father in that chair...Weak, and pathetic. The difference is he has a strong mind which he kept, while yours was so weak, you gave it away.

C'mon, Mark- Answer my questions and allegations. You do not deflect my attacks on your character by insisting they are unjust attacks on "The Truth", you merely hide from me behind your imaginary friend, God.

You're a loser, Mark. Instead of reaching out to help people by understanding their affliction with the evils of society, and seeing that they need guidance and clarity, and making them want to see the Light of the Lord, you use the Word of God to make everyone else look terrible so that you can look good.
Your heart is not pure, Mark. It is black and dead with the decay of selfishness, and God can smell your stench from where He sits.

You lose, Mark. You lose at your own game, and you're so selfish and egomaniacal, you don't even see it.
But even for us heathens, the irony is so blindingly obvious, even from perspectives so far from your "reality".

Others who know and believe in "The Truth" cannot tolerate you, either. You're a disgusting example of repulsive, arrogant self-rightiousness that your fellow brethren know full well does not lend creedence to their faith while they strive to show others the Light of the Lord.

-Even they pray for your soul because deep down they know you are simply a confused and selfish loser.

http://www.petergodly.com/episodes.html

I received about 10 pms during my most recent debate session on the rx7club, in the lounge....
Were they all from 93VRTouring? ;)

Either humouring you for a good laugh, or all closet freaks like yourself that still get brow beaten by their daddies into submissive "true love" at age 38.
Give it break, Mark. You bring nothing to the table. You can't even bring the of Word of God with you without inflating yourself with the hot stinking gas of your own arrogant flatulance.
You are a mockery; A joke...A Naziesque Christian buffoon. You're a partial birth abortion of The Faith; twisted, mangled and rotting, and every bit as repulsive in your aggressive arrogant self representation as you are in your warped adulteration of what you suggest to be the code by which all mankind should live;
...The Word of God.

If we were all like you, then none of us would ever be good enough to be in the same room as the rest of the world.
You idiot!

Do you not recognize me, Mark?
Or do you not have the true faith to believe who I really am?
Can I be an agent of Satan? ...Or even Satan Himself?

...Or am I simply a free thinking man disgusted by the pathetic people who foul our mental evolution as a species with their stagnant rhetoric?

*pokes Mark with a pitchfork*

and I might add, evolution is simply another lie of satan, in terms of human origins

Does the bible reference "cavemen"?

and I might add, evolution is simply another lie of satan, in terms of human origins
http://zach.tong-web.com/images/darwin.jpg

Right, because a big man in the sky making a small band of nomads his chosen people and condemning the rest to hell makes ever so much sense.

The Bible is asinine. Its fine if you like it, but its still asinine.

bacteria trnasforming themselves into rabbits, horses, and humans over vast imaginary epochs is not only asinine, it is completely unscientific, and defies the laws of thermodynamics

mindless relgion for atheists

I agree.

I just also happen to think that your fairytale is asinine as well.

there is no limit to the infinite, eternal BeingOr to your mindless babbling, apparently...