Fry Tookie Williams............

Only concern I have is executing those that are actually innocent.

yes I do. I think Texas is the only state that fries more niggars than Missouri each year.

I think if it can be proven 100% that someone has commited an awful crime like killing another person, then that person should be torched.

no

Hey at least you make sure he doesnt do it again lol :)

It costs more than a million dollars to keep someone in locked up for 30 years.

I would rather have nicer highways than living niggars.

When Tookie fries, LA will burn.

Tookie is in the Man Fagcisco Gay Area.

People up here will just hug a tree.

Four Los Angeles City Council members urged calm in the next several days while asking local religious leaders to promote peace among their congregants and open their churches to those upset by the case.

They're worried

No.
Execution does not set the example that killing is wrong.
Execution teaches killing as a way to solve problems.
Execution does not fix the problem.

They're worried

dude, you're a hardcpre special forces badass. Why don't oyu go there and police them.

dude, you're a hardcpre special forces badass. Why don't oyu go there and police them.

How will that make things better? They've got guns too.

How will that make things better? They've got guns too.


Obviously you've never rread any of tj's harcore posts on rx7club. Judging by his posts, he could take out an entire LA street gang with a keyboard.

How will that make things better? They've got guns too.


ur as bright as a 5 watt light bulb.

Ur a product of the liberal media.

ur as bright as a 5 watt light bulb.

Ur a product of the liberal media.

Why do you think that?
Is Jesus a product of the liberal media?
Would you execute Jesus if he had been accused of the same crimes?

They executed Jesus for lesser crimes

It's my understanding that if Jesus wasn't executed, then we'd all be fucked in the afterlife.

Thus it was for the better good and as required.

NEXT!

If it was 'required' that Jesus be executed, he should have just had one of his desciples behead him. Woulda saved a lot of drama.

Then it wouldn't be bonerfide religon without the drama.

Been reading that bible batty?

What's BATMAN's address?

He said he threw it away.... lol

Capital Punishment is weak. An eye for an eye is the rule i'd like to go by. If your going to keep someone alive for 30 years behind bars make it a little less like a trip to the beach. Put them in a box with nothing more than bread and water.

Obviously you've never rread any of tj's harcore posts on rx7club. Judging by his posts, he could take out an entire LA street gang with a keyboard.

:tibby:

What a great smiley.

:tibby:

What a great smiley.
:bsman:

What a great smiley. Fits 90% of your posts.


Hows your wife anyways?

lol

Now now, kids... Play nice.... :nono:

Looks like The Governator has signed off on Termination of Tookie...........

"Hasta la vista, Tookie."

Fry Tookie Williams............

It's amazing how many violent criminals get "reformed" in prison and denounce their prior lifestyle when faced with execution, versus how many go right back to a life of crime when only serving 10 years or whatever.

Like I said before, he's one of the founders of the Crips, he needs to die.

Why do you think that?
Is Jesus a product of the liberal media?
Would you execute Jesus if he had been accused of the same crimes?

What the fuck does Jesus have to do with this?

http://img27.exs.cx/img27/2892/tookie.jpg

http://www.goferboy.com/blogimages/Wookie.jpg

Ahahahahahahahahahahah!

What the fuck does Jesus have to do with this?

Oh... nothing:)

Execution sets the example that revenge killing is o.k..
Revene killing is the one American value that is not censored in any way shape or form on public telivision.

The average 14yo has witnessed 12,000 simulated murders.

What execution fix?
How does it set the example that killing is wrong.

I say...up the ante. We don't even publically execute people which we should've been doing decades ago. Public lethal injections or public gassings.
What we should do is execute the assailants entire family. Anyone who is on death row should have their family killed as well.

If a person knew that if they killed someone that their entire family would be killed as well we would see a drastic fall in MDK's.

Execution is so primitive. This is 2005 people, is this the best we can do.
Tookie does'nt fear death, look were he came from. Use him to fix some of the problems he created. Make him a public servant. He alreadt wrote inspiring childrens books to keep kids out of gangs. Have him do more positivity in the community. Make him a public speaker on how to avoid gang life or on how to get out of a gang.

He's so important to gang warfare that you could dismantle one of the U.S.'s biggest gangs. The Latin Kings leader did the same thing. They were one of the biggest gangs in N.Y. and the leader got busted, turned his life around, got every division of the Latin Kings to meet up in Central Park and dismantled the group, turning them into community center volunteers and neighborhood watch. Brilliant. Of course neighborhood watch, because they know what small gang activity leads to big gang activity.Duh

What's the name of that group that were's the red hats and jackets and protects the neighborhood?(I actually can't remember) SOme o fthose guys are ex-latin kings.

Why do white people like to fight the same problem over and over again. Like I said in one of previous post, there are so many examples of the past we can learn from that are ignored.

Its buisness at the end of the day I guess(like my thread comming up on Hurricane Katrina-"Not Racism...Buisness"-coming soon bitches).

Less gang violence means less money for the police budget.

(mindless drivel)

Wow, you're totally brainless.

http://savetookie.org/documents/Affidavit.pdf

December 10th some numb nuts comes forward with information? What a crock of shit.

I don't like capital punishment because people who are dead are forgotten.

No one remembers Tim McVeigh, no one remembers Ted Bundy. These men are important to remember, but because we've killed them no one cares.

Certainly we should find a less expensive way to keep ahold of them, but we shouldn't kill them. Torture, yes. Forced labor, yes. Kill, no.

Ryosuke.... honestly... How do you not realize how stupid you look from attempting to appear you're capable of thought?

Holy quad post batman!

I don't like capital punishment because people who are dead are forgotten.

No one remembers Tim McVeigh, no one remembers Ted Bundy. These men are important to remember, but because we've killed them no one cares.

Certainly we should find a less expensive way to keep ahold of them, but we shouldn't kill them. Torture, yes. Forced labor, yes. Kill, no.



That's a good point. But it'd never work.

If I weren't braindead from finals I would make a witty crack about Austrailia...

I think that as soon as you get the dreath sentence you should be taken outside the courthouse and hanged. I for one am tired of paying for these killers to get three meals a day, free gym, and who knows what else while I have trouble feeding my family some weeks.

im against the death penalty. and i wouldnt say its barbaric

i say hard labor, shitty conditions and more labor. this of course would be for life, but i doubt they would last very long anyway. if they killed someone, execution would just be the easy way out. oh not to mention random beatings, but then again that could just be my twisted side wanting some kicks along with this.

Wow, you're totally brainless.

Really? So I'm wrong then.
Police funding is'nt raised or lowered based on need, and The Latin Kings were not dismantled by their leader after having served prison time? Half the members are'nt serving their community in the Yellow and Black they swore to uphold?

Lets outsource our prisons to Thailand. Everything else is going to Asia, they will take great care of them.

while trying to insert the needle, Tookie gave some attitude to the Dr. and said, "What's the matter? Can't find it?" (in ebonics tone).

Right now he's getting ass raped by Klansmen in hell for eternity...........

They don't use doctors it is againsnt their ethics. They use paramedics.

His victims:

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/tookievictim3adweb.jpg

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/tookievictim1adweb.jpg

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/tookievictim2adweb.jpg

People change.
Jesus forgives, he asks that we do the same.

Am I right or wrong?

People change.


Yea, that doesn't mean you should not be held accountable for past deeds.

I know this is a new word to all you niggars, but look it up. A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y

Jesus forgives, he asks that we do the same.

Am I right or wrong?

Again, Jesus is 100% irrelevant. He is some fictional jew handholder.

Yea, that doesn't mean you should not be held accountable for past deeds.

I know this is a new word to all you niggars, but look it up. A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y

lol, I believe he was already being held accountable for his actions through the life sentence that he was serving....

I know that through his death the family and friends of those that died will find some comfort in the "eye for an eye" conclusion, but it won't change the fact that they are gone, nor will it serve Tookie any actual lesson now that his own life has been taken....

If anything, it was the easy way out of things...

And BTW, I actually agree with what Ryosuke said eariler about potentially using him for better things.... Too bad nobody else saw that before his time was up....

im against the death penalty. and i wouldnt say its barbaric

i say hard labor, shitty conditions and more labor. this of course would be for life, but i doubt they would last very long anyway. if they killed someone, execution would just be the easy way out. oh not to mention random beatings, but then again that could just be my twisted side wanting some kicks along with this.
Agreed. I'm not much for the death penalty, but I'm all for real punishment.
We need more people busting up big rocks into little rocks, tar and chipping county roads, polishing the wardens shoes and making license plates.

Screw this 3 hots and a cot, plus t.v., weight room, pool hall etc.. You want muscles? Here's a damned pick-axe.. get to work you bastard.

Make prison a living hell for atonement of sins. When I drive down a county road and see guys in orange picking up trash, I'll be the first one to toss out a broken t.v. from the back of my pick-up truck and shout "REPENT SINNAHHH!!!!"

Agreed. I'm not much for the death penalty, but I'm all for real punishment.
We need more people busting up big rocks into little rocks, tar and chipping county roads, polishing the wardens shoes and making license plates.b]

Thank You.
Death will not teach him a lesson.
Death is not a deterant for anyone thinking about commiting MDK because they are most likely already dead inside.

http://www.hbo.com/docs/img/programs/latinkings/252x190/252x190_latinkings01.jpg

http://www.hbo.com/docs/img/programs/latinkings/252x190/252x190_latinkings02.jpg

The Latin Kings began in prison as a way to provide Latino inmates an organization to defend themselves against other prison gangs. Antonio "King Tone" Fernandez is the "Inca," or leader, of the Latin King Nation of New York State, which publicly espouses Puerto Rican nationalism. Tone's vision was to convert a fierce organization into one whose purpose was to improve the lives of the impoverished.

LATIN KINGS features footage of the Kings on the streets and at their rallies, prayer meetings and strategy sessions. The documentary also contains intimate scenes of Tone, his girlfriend Myrna and his two children in their apartment, where he is confined under house arrest.

He was given a chance...and he turned the whole group around. They are no longer a "gang" in the negative sense.

First off, there aren't that many executions in the USA relative to the prison population or the USA for that matter.

Making example of a few is good. Makes would be murdered wonder if they will get the death penalty or prison time.

F.U.D. as one might call it.

Makes would be murdered wonder if they will get the death penalty or prison time.

WTF?!?! Now, if I typed a sentence like that you guys would be on me like stank on shit.
Learn to type n00000B!

Killing him is just stupid. He could've been used in other ways. Image how much info he has an unsolved murders he will never ne able to tell.

It sends the message that their is no reason to turn your life around once you've made a mistake. You will be treated the same and no one will forgive you. You might as well live your life, kill and never reform because you'll be treated the same way regardless.

I don't believe that the death penalty serves much of a deterrent or example for a lot of folks.

You figure a lot of hardened criminals, drug-thugs and gangsters accept the possibilty of an early death in exchange for a rich lifestyle. With few criminals really getting the death penalty, odds are you'll simply get life in prison with all the perks...

Take away the ease of the seldom used death penalty and substitute a lifetime of hard fucking labor (and sub-standard food), I'd imagine that would serve as more of a deterrent (not to mention gets some things done like busting rocks...).

I don't believe that the death penalty serves much of a deterrent or example for a lot of folks.

You figure a lot of hardened criminals, drug-thugs and gangsters accept the possibilty of an early death in exchange for a rich lifestyle. With few criminals really getting the death penalty, odds are you'll simply get life in prison with all the perks...

Take away the ease of the seldom used death penalty and substitute a lifetime of hard fucking labor (and sub-standard food), I'd imagine that would serve as more of a deterrent (not to mention gets some things done like busting rocks...).

Fuck busting rocks. Us ethem more wisely. Road Crews baby, Road crews.
I want American streets to be like Japanese streets, were I can have my car set for the track and drive downtown while not having to worry.

have them do DMV paperwork and make license plates.
There is so much unused labor potential.
Have them do things we need done, like build a bridge to somewhere or something. They waste money and are not giving back. Make them give back to the communitie sthey took away from. hav them teach math online or something. Make em build schools. Reverse the prossess. America needs to get smarter about criminals. Why parole a person who no one will hire.If they are hired, many have a family that they won't be able to suport bagging groceries. They will find "other" ways to make money which always happens.

Again..."Staying the Course" is'nt working. Time for a new...very new idea.

Here's what I think:

Give em what they deserve. They rape someone, let them be raped. They kill someone, let them be killed in the manner that they did it in the first place. Etc.

Its probably a "simple" and "backkwoods" way of thinking, but goddamnit, I want to see it done.


or, as Tom says, put them into 3rd world standard living and see how many people commit crimes to go to prison. i have met a couple people that robbed stores or banks or tried to steal guns just to go to prison for the ease of living since they couldn't afford to feed themselves anymore.

There is so much unused labor potential.
maybe if we used inmates, there would be less of an opportunity for illegals :dunno:

Fuck busting rocks. Us ethem more wisely. Road Crews baby, Road crews.
I want American streets to be like Japanese streets, were I can have my car set for the track and drive downtown while not having to worry.

Again..."Staying the Course" is'nt working. Time for a new...very new idea.
You need gravel and rocks for a good road base. We ALWAYS need rock busters...

As far as a new idea? My idea isn't new. Matter of fact it's old. Very old. It used to be the status quo until the ACfrekin'LU went all soft and flabby saying "Oh those poor guys.. look at them sweat and toil..." :jerkit:

or, as Tom says, put them into 3rd world standard living and see how many people commit crimes to go to prison. i have met a couple people that robbed stores or banks or tried to steal guns just to go to prison for the ease of living since they couldn't afford to feed themselves anymore.

They've tried that already and it does'nt work.
Undo the negatives with positives.
Their greatest fear is to not be feared.
They are afraid to help instead of hurt.
Revenge has never worked.

More and more jails are being built. We need to stop putting so many of em in Jail. I say, 40 years of community service. Something other than our current method of dusting the dirt under the rug so we don't have to look at it, because the dirt is still there.

capital punishment rocks.

and jesus has no place in any courtroom.

capital punishment rulez.

and GOD has no place in any courtroom.

Fixxxed.

WTF?!?! Now, if I typed a sentence like that you guys would be on me like stank on shit.
Learn to type n00000B!

Killing him is just stupid. He could've been used in other ways. Image how much info he has an unsolved murders he will never ne able to tell.

It sends the message that their is no reason to turn your life around once you've made a mistake. You will be treated the same and no one will forgive you. You might as well live your life, kill and never reform because you'll be treated the same way regardless.


My bad for the typo. Was watching a WebEX and doing this at the same time.

And why would u call me a n00000B?

U spelled be wrong.

Making a permanent mistake like killing someone should be treated much more severely.

Folks like him are already wild manimals that should have been placed in cages.

I have no intention to gun down someone, especially innocent girls.

Lucky for him, he ain't in China..........

I wouldn't mind seeing this happen to that niggar.

http://poststuff2.entensity.net/120905/media.php?media=ouch.wmv

My bad for the typo. Was watching a WebEX and doing this at the same time.

And why would u call me a n00000B?

U spelled be wrong.

Making a permanent mistake like killing someone should be treated much more severely.

Folks like him are already wild manimals that should have been placed in cages.

So revenge is the answer ?
Will revenge undo what he did?
Or can you make the person give back to the community by making sure other kids don't take the wrong path.
Antonio "King Tone" Fernandez was let go and look what he did. Still on house arrest, but still helping the community. He dismantled the last big gang in New York. Other gangs don't do graffitti on Latin Kings community centers. They don't sell drugs outside in the open where they can be seen by LK members. The NYPD tried a different approach and it worked.

We will never know what Tookie could do to stop the beginnings of other gangs now. We only know he died trying to help. If the books he wrote and things he said before he died were in his heart than Jesus has forgiven him. What else matters?

All this jesus bullshit is fantastic. Its great to know your a bible boyscout as well.

They've tried that already and it does'nt work.
Undo the negatives with positives.
Their greatest fear is to not be feared.
They are afraid to help instead of hurt.
Revenge has never worked.

More and more jails are being built. We need to stop putting so many of em in Jail. I say, 40 years of community service. Something other than our current method of dusting the dirt under the rug so we don't have to look at it, because the dirt is still there.
Back then it worked much better than the current system we have in place.

If you robbed someone at gun point in the early 20th century, chances are you were wearing a ball and chain and forevermore armed with a pick-axe. Or shot. Who cared. You were a leech on society and not entitled to much more than a donkey's existence.

And I do believe crime stats were a lot LOWER per capita back then. Fear of punishment (aka: real punishment) was a wonderful tool at societies disposal. So was a rope hung from a gallows. Or a firing squad. But the difference was back then if you were convicted of a heinous crime (or found by the locals to be guilty under a preponderance of evidence) you were executed in orderly fashion, not sitting on 'death row' for 20+ years.

Where in the Hell is my 6 shooter and boots, dammit. Let's get a posse together and round us up some thugs! :evillaugh

I wouldn't mind seeing this happen to that niggar.

http://poststuff2.entensity.net/120905/media.php?media=ouch.wmv


that even real?

that even real?

It's on the internet isn't it?

:banghead:

u never know...........

People change.
Jesus forgives, he asks that we do the same.

Am I right or wrong?

You're wrong.

Jesus may forgive, but his dad is an asshole. And his dad runs things according to your book of fables.

Killing him is just stupid. He could've been used in other ways. Image how much info he has an unsolved murders he will never ne able to tell.



He had been in prison for over 20 years and refused to narc out his homeboys. That's part of the reason those of us with common sense said he's not reformed. Do you know how many inmates on death row suddenly find themselves reformed, ready to walk the straight and narrow when death is knocking on their door? As far as I'm concerned, they need to stop letting these assholes drag out their appeals and extend their lives. People say it's more expensive to kill someone than to keep them in prison for life, and the reason why is two-fold: All the fucking appeals, and the fact that the tax-payers have to provide the attorney.

In my Presidential platform, I suggest that any person sentenced to death has three years to carry out any and all appeals. That's plenty of time. But this whole "file one, wait til it gets denied, file another one, wait til it gets denied" is just a bullshit way of dragging out the end.

I don't see any of these fucking murderers grant clemency to their victims.

Fuck Tookie.

I'm glad he's dead.

Jesus may forgive, but his dad is an asshole. And his dad runs things according to your book of fables.

You know, that's a good point. Jesus can forgive you all he wants, but according to the good book, it's God that sends people to hell... Kinda like bringing home a bad report card... Mom might say it's alright, but Dad is still gonna stomp your ass.

He had been in prison for over 20 years and refused to narc out his homeboys.

I had not read that, mainly because I did not care all that much. Hell the motherfucker would not even say the victims names he claimed it was racist.

Well like I said in the other thread.

I just don't like the idea of a judge and jury having the power to kill me or a family member because of "evidence".

The judicial system is as bad as organized crime or politics. It’s one of our most corrupt and incompetent institutions.

But here is an interesting picture.

This bitch won't be stealing pocket change from masters bowl anymore.
http://almashriq.hiof.no/general/300/360/364/364.66/kadi/images/jeddah01.jpg

http://www.justiceblind.com/death/beheading2.jpg

http://www.justiceblind.com/death/beheading.jpg

Thats one killer indian burn.

the latin kings didn't dissolve. there are still a good number in new york. same with crips.


like i orginally said, death is the easy way out. fuck giving them weights, meals, tv and free time.

if they arent busy doing some hard labor or eating shit for food they should be learning something, a skill or whatever. let them learn how to do algebra, or how many kings and queens there were in european history. then you can also throw them in a box with no light for good measure.

the latin kings didn't dissolve. there are still a good number in new york. same with crips.


like i orginally said, death is the easy way out. fuck giving them weights, meals, tv and free time.

They latin kings did'nt disolve? Sources?...

Here are mine...http://www.nymetro.com/nymetro/arts/features/n_8118
Crips??? HAHAHA, when was the last time you were in NY?


According to Tartaglia, there are several thousand Latin Kings still spread throughout the five boroughs (they suffered a massive takedown in May 1998, when scores of Kings and Queens were put away for long stretches), along with a loose array of Bloods wannabes and a smattering of new ethnic gangs. But when it comes to large numbers, group loyalty, and active criminality, today's gangs of New York are limp and demoralized, if not completely clueless. "Sometimes," says Captain Charles Alifano, also of the Gang Division, "we pick up a kid who identifies himself as a Blood, and we have to tell him which pocket he's supposed to have his red handkerchief in."

So, the lesson state execution teaches children is: Revenge killing is o.k....which is exactly why its not a deterant and does'nt "scare" criminals. They've been taught there is nothing wrong with killing for revenge.

Does Bianca Jagger, a committed anti-racist if there ever was one, know that Williams later told a friend that he killed Owens "because he was white?" Has she heard how Williams boasted about the killing to his own brother, bragging, "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," before laughing hysterically as he mimicked the dying man's struggles for breath?

And what about the other victims, the three Taiwanese immigrants who Williams murdered in their motel? Does Susan Sarandon even know their names? Yen-I Yang, 76, his wife, Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, and their daughter, Yee-Chen Lin, 43, were shot at point blank range. Yee-Chen Lin had the left side of her face blown completely away, yet somehow lived for a couple of hours in agony. Williams later bragged about "blowing away" the family, whom he described as "Buddhaheads."

These are not accusations. They're facts, proved at a trial that presented truly overwhelming evidence (including damning statements by accomplices, relatives and passersby) of Tookie Williams' guilt. Yet Williams himself has never admitted what he did, instead blaming his convictions a racist plot. Are Tookie's celebrity defenders bothered by the fact he's still lying about his case, and has never apologized for murdering four people? You'd never know it from listening to them.

Does Bianca Jagger, a committed anti-racist if there ever was one, know that Williams later told a friend that he killed Owens "because he was white?" Has she heard how Williams boasted about the killing to his own brother, bragging, "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," before laughing hysterically as he mimicked the dying man's struggles for breath?
When? was this after he was reformed? and who the fuck is Bianca Jagger and why does her here-say(sp?) matter?


And what about the other victims, the three Taiwanese immigrants who Williams murdered in their motel? Does Susan Sarandon even know their names? Yen-I Yang, 76, his wife, Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, and their daughter, Yee-Chen Lin, 43, were shot at point blank range. Yee-Chen Lin had the left side of her face blown completely away, yet somehow lived for a couple of hours in agony. Williams later bragged about "blowing away" the family, whom he described as "Buddhaheads."
We excuse soldeirs for uses names like Skinnies, Gooks, Sand Coon.
...and we saw the pics, thanks for the caption.
Your right tho. What bout the victims? Well, what about em? What can we do for them now. Will they be happier he's dead? Or would they be happier knowing he's turned literally hundreds of kids away from becoming the same thing used to be.

These are not accusations. They're facts, proved at a trial that presented truly overwhelming evidence (including damning statements by accomplices, relatives and passersby) of Tookie Williams' guilt. Yet Williams himself has never admitted what he did, instead blaming his convictions a racist plot. Are Tookie's celebrity defenders bothered by the fact he's still lying about his case, and has never apologized for murdering four people? You'd never know it from listening to them.
He's not perfect, we get it. He, like all of us are guilty of sin.The lord as well as society ask that you turn your life around and make up for the negative damage a person has caused regardless of the scale of that sin. An apology is words, which means nothing. Judging by his actions...he wanted to try and make sure others don't become what he was. He has lived a life of no regrets. Do you?

He's not perfect is an understatement.

There are various degrees of fucking up.

Most of which are redeemable by $$$$ or fixing it.

Killing someone is not.

Unless someone has powers to bring back one from the dead.

It's liberal 'tards like u that relish the thought of clumping various degress of "sin" into one lump sum.

No wonder ur generation and newer are more and more of a bunch of fuck ups..........

He's not perfect is an understatement.

There are various degrees of fucking up.

Most of which are redeemable by $$$$ or fixing it.

Killing someone is not.

Unless someone has powers to bring back one from the dead.

It's liberal 'tards like u that relish the thought of clumping various degress of "sin" into one lump sum.

No wonder ur generation and newer are more and more of a bunch of fuck ups..........

So, to you words speak louder than actions ?
So he did'nt say "I'm sorry", big deal. Answer my question about which one the family that was murdered would be happier with.

Will they be happier he's dead? Or would they be happier knowing he's turned literally hundreds of kids away from becoming the same thing used to be?

Which has the desiered effect of reducing crime? Do you want to reduce crime? Or are you all about revenge, because then the crips get revenge, and then the police get revenge and the endless waltz begins again.
Where is you preventitive measure?

So, to you words speak louder than actions ?
So he did'nt say "I'm sorry", big deal. Answer my question about which one the family that was murdered would be happier with.

Will they be happier he's dead? Or would they be happier knowing he's turned literally hundreds of kids away from becoming the same thing used to be?

Which has the desiered effect of reducing crime? Do you want to reduce crime? Or are you all about revenge, because then the crips get revenge, and then the police get revenge and the endless waltz begins again.
Where is you preventitive measure?

Where did I say that words speak louder than actions? If anything I believe the other way around.

Do u have a fresh water pocket in her cranial cavity?

I'm a firm believer that, in Tookie's case, the death penalty is appropriate in terms of retribution and with regards to sending a message to those that violent crime doesn't pay off.

It works in China.

They, and many asian countries have tough laws, including more of a liberal use of the death penalty.

it certainly seems to work well in keeping order. When I was there I didn't have a fear of walking around in the the alley and getting mugged, shot, killed, or beaten.

So, why is that?

The tough laws or a lack of Tookie Wookie's strolling around?

i'm from new york.

there are plenty of latin kings still around. same with bloods and crips

Ryosuke91t, do you honestly think that "Tookie" literally turned hundreds of kids around?

I don't, and honestly, he's better off dead. I'm not saying he killed those people, but the fact that he never snitched on the people who did the killing says enough for me, if he didn't do it. He's not sorry for what he's done in the past, and writing some bullshit children's books isn't enough to convince anyone with common sense that he's been rehabilitated.

One thing's for sure, he's rehabilitated now.

You have to draw the line somewhere. If they would've given him clemency, i'm sure it would have done more harm than good.

the latin kings didn't dissolve. there are still a good number in new york. same with crips.


like i orginally said, death is the easy way out. fuck giving them weights, meals, tv and free time.

if they arent busy doing some hard labor or eating shit for food they should be learning something, a skill or whatever. let them learn how to do algebra, or how many kings and queens there were in european history. then you can also throw them in a box with no light for good measure.
ding ding!

When? was this after he was reformed?

Prove that he was reformed.



We excuse soldeirs for uses names like Skinnies, Gooks, Sand Coon.
...and we saw the pics, thanks for the caption.
Your right tho. What bout the victims? Well, what about em? What can we do for them now. Will they be happier he's dead? Or would they be happier knowing he's turned literally hundreds of kids away from becoming the same thing used to be.

Prove that he's the reason these kids were turned away.


He's not perfect, we get it. He, like all of us are guilty of sin.The lord as well as society ask that you turn your life around and make up for the negative damage a person has caused regardless of the scale of that sin. An apology is words, which means nothing. Judging by his actions...he wanted to try and make sure others don't become what he was. He has lived a life of no regrets. Do you?

He's reformed, yet lives a life of no regrets. That's a contradiction. Reforming someone means they learn from their mistake, and an apology actually does mean something. He refused to accept the killings and apologize, and he refused to inform on his fellow gang members in exchange for his own life. That's not reformed to me. As far as what your fairy tale storybook says, that's fucking irrelevant. If it mattered, then we could just let anyone who says "I've become a Christian and turned my life around" have a get out of jail free card. When they fuck up, "Oops, I might have made a mistake, but Jesus forgives me", and they're back out?

Keep religion out of this. It's totally irrelevant.

You also said, "society ask that you turn your life around and make up for the negative damage a person has caused regardless of the scale of that sin", well society has spoken. Kill his fucking ass.

Oh, and look at that: It's my favorite recurring theme. Christians, short on proof, big on contradictions.

I don't like capital punishment because people who are dead are forgotten.How many people under 25 years old do you think actually know who Charles Manson is and what he was convicted of?

Let them be forgotten. It's the infrequency of execution and the convoluted (and corrupt) legal system that keep it from being an effective deterrent. Put public execution on Channel 1 in every community and start making some room on "death rows" everywhere and people would start to get the point.

As it now stands, people are only afraid to say anything that might indicate that a murder was motivated by race or sexual orientation, which would make it a "hate crime" and subject to a stiffer penalty. It's apparently OK to kill people as long as it wasn't a hate crime, because you'll spend, on average, less time in jail than you would for illegal possession of a fully automatic weapon or a large quantity of drugs.

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Nice post.

How many people under 25 years old do you think actually know who Charles Manson is and what he was convicted of?

No kidding.

Let them be forgotten. It's the infrequency of execution and the convoluted (and corrupt) legal system that keep it from being an effective deterrent. Put public execution on Channel 1 in every community and start making some room on "death rows" everywhere and people would start to get the point.

As it now stands, people are only afraid to say anything that might indicate that a murder was motivated by race or sexual orientation, which would make it a "hate crime" and subject to a stiffer penalty. It's apparently OK to kill people as long as it wasn't a hate crime, because you'll spend, on average, less time in jail than you would for illegal possession of a fully automatic weapon or a large quantity of drugs.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Riddle me this, those of you who are opposed to people like "Tookie" being put to death:

There were people who said, "Oh, he's reformed. He shouldn't be sentenced to die. Change it to life in prison."

To me, it's black and white. If he's reformed, and truly learned his lesson, then he should be released and immediately be allowed to rejoin society. If he's really reformed, why keep him in jail for the rest of his life?

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man, way too much to take in this evening. :40oz:

It works in China.
So... that's China. In America, we have freedom. If you know antone there, tell em' freedom works here.




The tough laws or a lack of Tookie Wookie's strolling around?
Tough laws and good parenting. How many gangs does China have? Is there a need for children to create and make gangs? How much drugs make it into there country comparitivly? Do they have all of the right environmental components to create a "Tookie Williams". He is a product of the society he lived in. Perhaps the "one child per household" rule has more of an effect on crime than you would think. Have you done any reaserch before bringing China into this?

It's apparently OK to kill people as long as it wasn't a hate crime, because you'll spend, on average, less time in jail than you would for illegal possession of a fully automatic weapon or a large quantity of drugs.
Nope, drugs is the worst thing possible in this country. Pedophilia has less of a sentance than LSD, Crack or any drug possessed in quantities capable of being distributed. Same with murder, same with rape.

To me, it's black and white.

Anikin Skywalker said the same thing before he tried to kill Obi Wan.
Nothing is black and white, not even math in every situation.

.......To me, it's black and white. ......

Careful, those slack-jawwed faggot liberals might start crying that there is something non-PC about those 2 words.......... ;)

Nope, drugs is the worst thing possible in this country. Pedophilia has less of a sentance than LSD, Crack or any drug possessed in quantities capable of being distributed. Same with murder, same with rape.

You are such a fucking hypocritical niggar. You're always advocating drug use you stupid lollipop sucking fuck. Somone needs to spoonfeed you the internet.

I can't even imagine where he gets his ideals/"facts" from.

You are such a fucking hypocritical niggar. You're always advocating drug use you stupid lollipop sucking fuck. Somone needs to spoonfeed you the internet.

I think he was actually stating the facts, not his personal views....

I think he was actually stating the facts, not his personal views....

Yep, thats why they're not posting any links to any info.
When its not a name-calling fest their weakness shows.

I feel dumber for every word that Ryosuke attempts to spell and fails. Seriously, will you shut the fuck up? You're a self proven idiot.

Idiots can't acknowledge that they are idiots.

That feat alone takes a few digits of IQ points.

Besides, i think that a village is missing its idiot.........

Moderate his posts...

For those that don't know what that is... Everything he posts won't show up until a moderator approves it.

Think of it as a "stupid filter"

I liked the gangs in China bit. That was truly ignorant.

China has lots of gangs. Gangs exsist wherever there are people.

you dont need links to prove that no matter where you go there will be gangs.

those links you brought saying gangs dont exist, where did they get thier info from? the cops? do the cops really know whats going on? i live 2 blocks away from a major drug pusher/gang street. whats funny is the police station is about 3 blocks away from them.

if the cops arent getting paied off to ignore them then the cops are just not finding them.

i dont need newspapers reporting gangs are gone or whatever. i live around them, i know if they are or are not around and thats all i need to know.

O.k.

What gangs compete with the Yakuza?

how should i know? i live in a spic hood.

even then its not like i care much about gang affairs.

O.k.

What gangs compete with the Yakuza?

You mean other than the Triad and the Russians?

Really?the japanese government can't stop the triads and russians from trying to run gamling and prostitution?

All they have to do is set-up an appointment at The Yakuza main office.
The number is in he phone book.

You are somewhat foolish, the yakuza are part of the Japanese gov. Anyone can setup an appointment to see the Yakuza. No small gang can exist without the Yakuza's permission. The Japs even use Yakuza as traffic cops.(DAK knows what I'm talking about here)

How do u know this "supposed" information about them?

U have first hand knowledge, or some credible facts to back this up?

Don't give me the "everyone knows this.." line that is commonly used by chumps born after 1980.......

So whats that number for the Yakuza?

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1-800-f-yakuza

I was just calling him on it, if its so true I do need a loan.

Really?the japanese government can't stop the triads and russians from trying to run gamling and prostitution?

All they have to do is set-up an appointment at The Yakuza main office.
The number is in he phone book.

You are somewhat foolish, the yakuza are part of the Japanese gov. Anyone can setup an appointment to see the Yakuza. No small gang can exist without the Yakuza's permission. The Japs even use Yakuza as traffic cops.(DAK knows what I'm talking about here)

Right, the Bosozoku spend ever so much time listening to the Yakuza.

Anikin Skywalker said the same thing before he tried to kill Obi Wan.
Nothing is black and white, not even math in every situation.

If you need to quote a bad Star Wars movie in an argument on the internet, you automatically lose.

So, STFU.

I was just calling him on it, if its so true I do need a loan.

WOW. you guys are serious?
DiD you know you can buy womans' used panties in vending machines?

being able to visit the Yakuza main office is not a secret in any way. I've seen it on video, video from friends living in Japan(doug, remember DAK?) and the number is in their phone book. They run gambling and prostitution in Japan. I'd google search but I don't feel like constantly posting pictures and links when all you guys do is move on to something else once I've destroyed you.

...You need a loan? How could the Yakuza help you with that Gaijin?
They also are so big, the government expects them to control violent crime somewhat. Yakuza also are so large, they don't allow any gang violence outside of gang members or people who have a "debt".

Tell about the "Bashers" DAK so they understand how the system works.

Oh, I know what you're talking about here... lol, but things have gotten so damn off-track that I'm not gonna add anything else to what you're saying....

Ryosuke91t and DAK both realize that Japanese culture and way of life PWNS anything that black culture and (what little) way of life they have.

Let's start with the martial arts that one has learned from the orient.

If African martial arts (whipping twigs and vines at the clouds and dirt) was all that then they would have been ebony-belts by now...........

Ryosuke91t and DAK both realize that Japanese culture and way of life PWNS anything that black culture and (what little) way of life they have.

Let's start with the martial arts that one has learned from the orient.

If African martial arts (whipping twigs and vines at the clouds and dirt) was all that then they would have been ebony-belts by now...........

Don't bring me into this one, Batty.... You don't wanna do that.... :wiggle:

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If African martial arts (whipping twigs and vines at the clouds and dirt) was all that then they would have been ebony-belts by now...........

:roll:

tarzan swings
tarzan falls............ on his big balls

now u know why tarzan says, "aaaahhhh.... aaaahhhh.... aaaaahhhhh."

I suppose swinging does seem pretty silly to you, what with some countries' national rides being either a bicycle or some kind of scooter....

Though that method of transportation seems like it could hurt a bit more....

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lol, at any rate, i'll stop posting off-topic.... If you wanna continue Batty, let's take it to ST.... :D

Ryosuke91t and DAK both realize that Japanese culture and way of life PWNS anything that black culture and (what little) way of life they have.
Not too long ago the Japanese 'culture' was as barbaric as any other.

My father-in-law will never forgive what the Japanese did to a contingent of American Marines on some island in the South Pacific during WWII. When they (additional troops) arrived, they found that not only were the Marines slaughtered, but the Japanese had also cut their dicks off and put them in their mouths.

They were ruthless, killing women and children everywhere..

Not a very 'proud' culture. I personally don't see how they are much better than anyone, quite frankly. Matter of fact- I respect the Korean and Chinese (and most African) culture much more so than the Japanese.

holy shit ^^^

Not too long ago the Japanese 'culture' was as barbaric as any other.

My father-in-law will never forgive what the Japanese did to a contingent of American Marines on some island in the South Pacific during WWII. When they (additional troops) arrived, they found that not only were the Marines slaughtered, but the Japanese had also cut their dicks off and put them in their mouths.

They were ruthless, killing women and children everywhere..

Not a very 'proud' culture. I personally don't see how they are much better than anyone, quite frankly. Matter of fact- I respect the Korean and Chinese (and most African) culture much more so than the Japanese.

ANNNNNNND Tom just took a big shit on Batty's arguement.... :rofl:

Funny though, since his words were going to be part 2 of my own..... I like their tech shit, their women, their bushido, and their art... Outside of that, there's a lot I know about them that would make them look pretty inferior in the big game of life.... :D

Not too long ago the Japanese 'culture' was as barbaric as any other.

My father-in-law will never forgive what the Japanese did to a contingent of American Marines on some island in the South Pacific during WWII. When they (additional troops) arrived, they found that not only were the Marines slaughtered, but the Japanese had also cut their dicks off and put them in their mouths.

They were ruthless, killing women and children everywhere..

Not a very 'proud' culture. I personally don't see how they are much better than anyone, quite frankly. Matter of fact- I respect the Korean and Chinese (and most African) culture much more so than the Japanese.

According to the history channel the Europeans considered the Japanese the only asian country their equal..........

ANNNNNNND Tom just took a big shit on Batty's arguement.... :rofl:

Funny though, since his words were going to be part 2 of my own..... I like their tech shit, their women, their bushido, and their art... Outside of that, there's a lot I know about them that would make them look pretty inferior in the big game of life.... :D

Sure the japs has been ruthless, but their people are cleaner and more well behaved and smarter than the average African........

...who cannot be judged under the same guidlines as everyone else.

Sure the japs has been ruthless, but their people are cleaner and more well behaved and smarter than the average African........

Hmmm.... Nice assumption you have going on there....

Too bad it can pretty much be disassembled by saying:

1.) There's no such thing as the "average African" unless you throw in specific areas of the continent, or finish your statement with the words "is darkly colored"

2.) Comparing Japan to Africa is like trying to compare America to India....
Sure, it can be done... But not fairly....

Why not?

Because of the vast differences between the 2?

Afirca is the fucking armpit of the globe. Anyone who wants to disagree with that deserves to live there.

Sure the japs has been ruthless, but their people are cleaner and more well behaved and smarter than the average African........
Historically speaking the Japanese lived in a feudal system not unlike the Europeans. Sure the Japanese aristocracy lived pretty well, clean as you say, but the peasants, farmers or ‘Eta’ lived with the pigs just as their European counterparts did.

Contrast that with the fact that during that same period there were tribes in Africa that lived in relative harmony and practiced varying degrees of equality and justice (and same thing for the American Indians, or the South American Indians).

No offense, but it sounds like some romanticist revisionist crap if you think the Japanese ‘culture’ is somehow cleaner than those of others. It all really depends on your perspective, I guess. I don’t think they are better than anyone else, frankly.

Why not?

Because of the vast differences between the 2?

Uhhh, yeah? More or less.... lol

However, don't start doing your "Bat-Dance" just yet... lol, just because I said there are differences doesn't mean that I've said one is BETTER then the other overall...

Different regions breed different advancements.... Africa does suck when you try and compare it with us, however there's just no real way that you can fairly compare the two....

That's just the way it is, folks... :dunno:

Africa does suck when you try and compare it with us, however there's just no real way that you can fairly compare the two....


1.Carbon Footprint.
Other compairisons are superficial.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at....

You can't really judge the two continents fairly unless you take ALL things into consideration.... And to be honest, there's just way too many things that both countries have over each other....

Yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at....

You can't really judge the two continents fairly unless you take ALL things into consideration.... And to be honest, there's just way too many things that both countries have over each other....
What does africa have over the US?

That would matter to you, or just general facts? lol

I could spout off about how I think Africa actually has better culture then the US, but I think that's too much of a blanket statement for any of you guys to appreciate....

Just name one thing that afrtica has over the US.

We know most countries have an economy that could be stimulated by a monkey finding a quarter in an alley.

We know they have dangeroous wildlife everywhere.

We know the majority of sub-sahara africa is HIV positive.

We know that governments typically last as long as a tjgosurf bedroom romp.

We know they're strarving.

We know their is disease everywhere. Shit whites have stomped out a century ago.

I guess they have good diamonds. :dunno:

I think the dangerous wildlife is a plus.

Keeps people on their toes. America wouldn't have an obesity problem if hyenas roamed the land.

Africa does have the world's fastest land analmal............ The Ethiopian Chicken.......

Africa does have the world's fastest land analmal............ The Ethiopian Chicken.......


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