Fear of your own life is the answer here. trust in christ to protect you is not.

thus reality again shatter illusions:

Christians flee Iraqi city after killings, threats, officials say:(
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.violence/index.html

this is another fact that bible teaches illusions. there is no protection. no one is taking care of you except yourself. that is right. run for your lives or die by the hand of evil.

Here's a simple fact for you--"true evil", as you called it, cannot physically exist without good also existing. There is not a single thing in this world that exists without an opposite.

As for your comment, have you ever faced death personally? have you ever been in a situation where your life was on the chopping block, so to say? I have. and one thing I can tell you without doubt is that you dont have the first clue how I felt or what was more important to me at the time. You have again succeeded in having not the first clue what it actually means to be christian. That is the only fact I see in your post.

i cant believe that somehow, while reading my tiny paragraph, you missed the point. you have a glass eye?

you really need to stop posting with ignorance. it isnt "missing the point" just because I dont believe as you do. I didnt miss anything--its hard to miss the point that youre not a believer in Christ, when you post it in just about every religion section thread you take part in. That doesnt make you right, nor does it mean I "missed your point" because I didnt agree with you. You really need to learn how to debate, youre making a mess of these threads with narrow-minded ignorance. and I always figured you for smarter than that. I hope I wasnt wrong about you there.

lol, I'm glad i read that. whenever you get the time, please state my point. i am curious to read it. and ignore the background of my stance. it distracts you.

one cannot "ignore your stance" because your point is based on your stance. you believe that God is a myth, and so because of that belief, you state that we all need to look out for ourselves because no one else, including any god, will do it for us. But once again, you are stuck in the worldly thinking. you think that protection can only occur if you are allowed to remain living this life, on this planet. You dont have the belief or the understanding of what comes next, so you base your thinking on this life and only this life. and my belief is that this is where youre making the mistake.

Using christians in Iraq as an example of this is also a very poor attempt. Fear of death does not make someone correct. Also, the term "christian" gets applied to people every day that arent christians. The overwhelming majority of Americans will tell you that they are christian, yet so many of them dont go to church, dont read the bible at all, dont take on any of the commands that Jesus gave.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beliefnet_poll_010718.html

Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.

83% call themselves christians.....thats over 253 million people of the 305 million in our population. And yet, at the same time:

http://theologica.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-many-americans-really-attend.html

Dave Olson, director of church planting for the Evangelical Covenant Church, surveying only Christian churches (i.e., evangelical, mainline, and Catholic) has come up with a similar number. The percentage of Americans regularly attending church is 18.7%.

83% are christians, but 18% of all americans go to ANY kind of church regularly. Just because the media says "they were christians", that doesnt make them in any way a representative of me or any other person. In this day and age, it is often preached that all you need to do to be a christian is to believe that there is a god. The bible says differently, but what would they know? they arent studying it, they arent attending services regularly, they arent taking on the work fo being christian!

your god doesn't offer us to stay and die, for your god don't offer any guarantees you will see heaven.

but we all want to go to heaven. don't you get it? just try and kill yourself right now and take gods challenge that he will grant you into heaven. take that free bullet. if you really want to see god and he will certainly grant you access to see Jesus Christ, right now, at the right hand of the...er another father or something.

he is god, you gave your god the power to convince you that if you follow everything in the bible, you will go to heaven. go fight for your brothers in Iraq then. surely god will forgive you for leaving your material things and earthy things like wives and kids behind so you can gain access to heaven right flipping now..

he is poor in convincing people that they would;d surely make it. he even gotten himself almost stoned to death at the temple, spewing his hoursepoop.

your god doesn't offer us to stay and die, for your god don't offer any guarantees you will see heaven.

you should look in the Bible sometime--the fact is that there IS just sucha guarantee. God has never broken a promise, and God's promise of eternal life is something youre clearly not aware of. hopefully you will be ready to hear it someday.

but we all want to go to heaven. don't you get it?

the only way to the Father is through the Son--the more you mock Jesus, the further you get from heaven. if you REALLY want to go to heaven, then seek Him first, before all else. you cant want to get there that much if you think your time is better spent by mocking those who believe in Him....can you now?

just try and kill yourself right now and take gods challenge that he will grant you into heaven.

it is also written that one should never challenge God. If you actually ever read that which you constantly mock and dismiss, you would know that. But in any case, it is not for any one person to decide when their life here is over. We are here to serve His purpose--a walk with Christ is a life of service, not a life of privledge on this earth. Killing yourself now means that your work for Him would be left unfinished. Reading the Word would clear these points up for you better. please consider trying it.

he is god, you gave your god the power to convince you that if you follow everything in the bible, you will go to heaven. go fight for your brothers in Iraq then.

I already fought in Iraq. God's plan for me didnt end there obviously, because I came back still alive. Once more, it's about submitting to God's will, not calling out my own. God isnt here to grant what we want just because we want it, when we want it. Seek Him FIRST, remember?

In either case, there isnt anything in the Bible about "you shall go to Iraq and fight there". Where in the world you decided to come up with that crap is beyond me. God calls each for a different task, we arent all to go and fight in the human sense like that. Why dont YOu go to Iraq and try on the sacrifice? Maybe then you wouldnt be so quick to mock everything like you do.

surely god will forgive you for leaving your material things and earthy things like wives and kids behind so you can gain access to heaven right flipping now..

If I were supposed to be in heaven right now, thats where I would be. Again, that is not for me to decide or determine. God has a plan for everyone's life, even yours. And that plan, at least right at this moment for me, doesnt include me being in heaven right now. The mocking and issues you have with the concept of God come largely from the fact that you dont have any idea at all what God is about. If you took the time and read the Word, really read it, you would see a whole ton of these things cleared up for you. All youre doing with this mocking is demonstrating your own lack of understanding, you most certainly arent succeeding in your quest to get me to fight with you on your terms. youre simply not worth that much, to be honest, and youre definitely nowhere near strong enough.

he is poor in convincing people that they would;d surely make it.

says the guy that wont make it. If you dont "make it", you cannot blame Him for that. The way to the narrow path is clearly stated. If you choose not to follow that path, you have no one to blame but yourself. so, stop blaming God for your poor understanding and poor choices. Those are yours and yours alone.

he even gotten himself almost stoned to death at the temple, spewing his hoursepoop.

Actually, what He got, was tortured, beaten, thorns literally through his skull, and then killed in the most inhumane way they knew back then. and then, three days later, He defeated death itself. and He did that for you and me, so we wouldnt have to bear the burden of our sins and the price for them. But hey, like I said, you just keep on with your complete lack of knowledge or understanding, and I will just keep on praying that it all changes for you.

I wish you peace, seriously. It sounds like you could use it.

Unbelievable.

you should look in the Bible sometime--the fact is that there IS just sucha guarantee. God has never broken a promise, and God's promise of eternal life is something youre clearly not aware of. hopefully you will be ready to hear it someday. .
Riiiiiiight….There is a guarantee if you and over a billion of people with just as many different views of how to get said guarantee can figure it all out. If it was all clear on how to get to heaven, there would not be such a grand confusion. That wasn’t my fault now, was it?


the only way to the Father is through the Son--the more you mock Jesus, the further you get from heaven. if you REALLY want to go to heaven, then seek Him first, before all else. you cant want to get there that much if you think your time is better spent by mocking those who believe in Him....can you now? .
Well, that’s the problem. A man born through a vagina isn’t a god. And man sperm with woman egg is the only way that I know to make a child. How did you do it when you made your kids? See? It is a fact. And making a child otherwise without manlaw sperm is a lie. And that wasn’t my fault now was it?



it is also written that one should never challenge God. If you actually ever read that which you constantly mock and dismiss, you would know that. But in any case, it is not for any one person to decide when their life here is over. We are here to serve His purpose--a walk with Christ is a life of service, not a life of privledge on this earth. Killing yourself now means that your work for Him would be left unfinished. Reading the Word would clear these points up for you better. please consider trying it. .
That is the perfect setup for your brainwashing. To never challenge what was written by Man is the reality here and it makes you meek and weak. I can never allow myself to submit to another man or his Illusions. I rather see the world clearly than to give that up to confusion and fear.


I already fought in Iraq. .
Unless it is needed, let’s leave your action in Iraq out of our pompous discussions. It bears a certain reverence and should not be posted in here carelessly. Besides, I heard enough of the war from enough brothers where the belief of a god went both ways.



In either case, there isnt anything in the Bible about "you shall go to Iraq and fight there". Where in the world you decided to come up with that crap is beyond me. God calls each for a different task, we arent all to go and fight in the human sense like that. Why dont YOu go to Iraq and try on the sacrifice? Maybe then you wouldnt be so quick to mock everything like you do. .
You knew where I was going. And lose the Mock crap. There is nothing to mock cept to each other.


If I were supposed to be in heaven right now, thats where I would be. Again, that is not for me to decide or determine. God has a plan for everyone's life, even yours. And that plan, at least right at this moment for me, doesnt include me being in heaven right now. The mocking and issues you have with the concept of God come largely from the fact that you dont have any idea at all what God is about. If you took the time and read the Word, really read it, you would see a whole ton of these things cleared up for you. All youre doing with this mocking is demonstrating your own lack of understanding, you most certainly arent succeeding in your quest to get me to fight with you on your terms. youre simply not worth that much, to be honest, and youre definitely nowhere near strong enough. .
This failed right from ‘God’s Plan’. If there is a god and I am in god plan then I can’t change what his plan is. Now how is that my fault?


says the guy that wont make it. If you dont "make it", you cannot blame Him for that. The way to the narrow path is clearly stated. If you choose not to follow that path, you have no one to blame but yourself. so, stop blaming God for your poor understanding and poor choices. Those are yours and yours alone. .
see above comment


Actually, what He got, was tortured, beaten, thorns literally through his skull, and then killed in the most inhumane way they knew back then. and then, three days later, He defeated death itself. and He did that for you and me, so we wouldnt have to bear the burden of our sins and the price for them. But hey, like I said, you just keep on with your complete lack of knowledge or understanding, and I will just keep on praying that it all changes for you. .
Humans endured much worse and they have to live through it. Jesus on the other hand is doing quite well in a nice cozy environment and with no pain or mental anguish. Stfu and gtfo with that, sky. I tire of hearing it when our brothers are home trying to hold their wives with a fucking missing limb.


I wish you peace, seriously. It sounds like you could use it.
Unneeded, useless and shows you are patronizing.

Riiiiiiight….There is a guarantee if you and over a billion of people with just as many different views of how to get said guarantee can figure it all out. If it was all clear on how to get to heaven, there would not be such a grand confusion. That wasn’t my fault now, was it?

the "half billion" you speak of is a false statement. The vast majrity of those who call themselves christian treat christianity like a buffet--they take the parts they like, leave the rest, and think they've got the whole picture. They dont. Just like you. The Bible does make it clear what one must do, but the problem is that nowadays people think they can have it all--they want salvation on their terms, so they dont have to give up things in the world. Things like materialistic habits, homosexuality, pride, addictions, porn, sexual immorality....they think they can show up on Sunday, put on a solemn face, and fool everyone. They can fool many people around them, but they cannot fool God.

the fact that you want it on your own terms as well, well, that IS your fault. It isnt like going to the deli--"give me a pound and a half of salvation, please...."

Well, that’s the problem. A man born through a vagina isn’t a god. And man sperm with woman egg is the only way that I know to make a child. How did you do it when you made your kids? See? It is a fact. And making a child otherwise without manlaw sperm is a lie. And that wasn’t my fault now was it?

thats your opinion--and you dont have one shred of anything to say otherwise. The fact is, it comes down to FAITH. I have faith that Jesus is the real deal. You do not. Its that simple. you cannot prove me wrong with such a statement, so stop wasting your time and mine.

That is the perfect setup for your brainwashing. To never challenge what was written by Man is the reality here and it makes you meek and weak. I can never allow myself to submit to another man or his Illusions. I rather see the world clearly than to give that up to confusion and fear.

"not challenging what was written by man" is yet one more fallacy of yours. Geez, why dont you get over yourself already and read the book? What harm can possibly come from you learning something??

Meek and weak? Gee, I dunno, youre the one who's been provoking me all over this forum, even trying to challenge me when I posted about a rifle in another thread somewhere else! And yet, you still have not gotten the response from me that were 100% certain that you were gonna get....where I'm standing, that shows strength, not weakness. You wish you had the kind of strength that would allow you not to have to revert to slinging mud because you have nothing worthwhile to add to a discussion--and you dont. Yeah, I sure can see how "weak" that makes me--you of course MUST be right on that one. You've tried pretty much everything, trying to insult me, trying to insult my beliefs, trying to insult God and Jesus, talking about "ebony rooster" and buttsex, about the only thing you've left out is "die of cancer". can I assume thats your next step in this ridiculous quest to "own" me??

That is exactly why you fail--because it's all youve got. Meanwhile, I have faith that allows me not to be afraid of death. To not fear hard times. To not be afraid of illness. I have peace. You have a rather warped habit of being this place's most recently discovered net troll. You could have just been a man about this and said "we just agree to disagree". But not you--there's no fun in that, right?? Not when you can come into the religion section and talk about dicks, right?

:bigthumb:

And dont even get me started on your "I'd rather see the world clearly" bit....your posts quite plainly show that you dont understand the world all that much.

Unless it is needed, let’s leave your action in Iraq out of our pompous discussions. It bears a certain reverence and should not be posted in here carelessly. Besides, I heard enough of the war from enough brothers where the belief of a god went both ways.

hey, dont get all smug on me, son--youre the one that opened this door, no? so get over yourself already--its good to see that you somehow think you can bring up a topic, but no one is apparently allowed to respond about that same topic. I DID serve in Iraq, it IS relevant because YOu brought that up. You tried a different tack--and you once again FAILED. Dont whine and complain like this about it, just eat your crow and be done with it.

and next time, maybe you'll be smart enough to not bring up such a topic-it isnt like you didnt already know I was sent to Iraq while in the military....you brought this one on yourself, and then you get all irritated because I stick on that point for a minute. Thats your doing, chief, not mine.

You knew where I was going. And lose the Mock crap. There is nothing to mock cept to each other.

See, that makes no sense, none whatsoever. So, are you saying that youre only mocking the concept of god and Jesus to me? when you mock God to anyone, youre mocking God, period. do you really think that your intended audience makes any difference? so, I guess that would mean that youre only doing this, being fake, because youre trying to get at me? that makes you more childish than anyone I have ever seen on here and that says a LOT.

In either case, youre wrong there too--you even began a thread with the whole purpose of stating that belief in God's protection is a fallacy--and it was NOT something you were responding to any post I made with, it was a whole new thread. mocking God, in any context, is mocking God, period, no matter if your only intention was to mock me or not.

This failed right from ‘God’s Plan’. If there is a god and I am in god plan then I can’t change what his plan is. Now how is that my fault?

You know, I can identify with that, I used to think the same way. but the 'free will' aspect is the thing youre missing. We are not robots--God didnt create us with nothing but the ability to obey. We dont run along a predestined path that cannot be altered--and no one knows what God has planned for them in their life! I was missing the same part of this once too. Like I keep telling you, reading would help you. youve already made up your mind that you refuse to submit to blah blah blah, and you dont even know what you would be submitting to!

Humans endured much worse and they have to live through it.

When Jesus died on the cross, He didnt just die. He took on the sins of all mankind. you couldnt possibly fathom that kind of burden and pain, neither can I. But it IS safe to say that humans have never endured worse than that. Many times, one man's sin by itself is enough to kill him--and Jesus took on the sins of every person, not just one. We couldnt possibly have an accurate understanding of just what that means.

Jesus on the other hand is doing quite well in a nice cozy environment and with no pain or mental anguish.

Only because He defeated death. But hey, He "came out a vagina", so in your understanding He couldnt possibly have done any of this anyways. So why are you spending so much time trying to fight me over things you claim are all fake anyways? Why are you wasting so much time fighting over something that in your words doesnt even exist anyways? Seems to me that there's a deeper issue there for you.


Stfu and gtfo with that, sky. I tire of hearing it when our brothers are home trying to hold their wives with a fucking missing limb.

"our brothers" made the deliberate decision to serve, son. Just like I did. I knew I was going to be sent into harm's way, at the government's choosing, without any say in the matter. That doesnt mean that I have no compassion, but it DOES mean that this is a really piss-poor attempt by you to try to one-up what Jesus went through. Every time I see a veteran who's disabled, the first thought that runs through my mind is their sacrifice. BUT THEY CAN STILL MAKE A LIFE FOR THEMSELVES. Its all about mindset. I have seen people who are stuck in wheelchairs that go around every day with the happiest personality you could possibly imagine. Thankful, grateful even, for what they have. dont try to play this card with me son, you simply got it wrong.

A "missing limb"? Thats the best you can come up with compared to torture, death, and taking on the burden of all mankind's sin? you really dont understand, like I've been telling you. And thats not my fault, so get off my sack about it.

Unneeded, useless and shows you are patronizing.

Well, youre following me from thread to thread, in different sections of the forum, and trying your best to shake me. and the more you fail, the more you try harder. That in itself proves that it is hardly "unneeded".

Youre trying to get a response out of me that no matter what you do, you cannot get. Its a response that I would have given you about instantly before. but now, you arent getting it, because I have peace. That about covers the "useless" bit.

and patronizing is not at all what I was doing. I keep telling you that I pray for you, thats not to patronize you. Its so that you can hopefully find something, something thats better than the clueless daze youve got right now. but hey, if it makes it easier for you to keep insulting me and following me around to mock my faith, then keep telling yourself that I was patronizing you. Whatever you need, czar.

didn't read.

holy bloody hell. how the fuck am I suppose to read all that, without stabbing my eyes out with a fork? and chances are, you drifted off the point again, didn't ya?
Wheres your mind at, son? are you so stubborn that you must refuse to explain something in a few short sentences?

You must talk your families ears off. true story

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