Im thinking of getting a Civic hatch back with a shot engine, and replacing it with a B18C engine... but if i get lucky, im gonna shoot for the B18C-R engine.... tell me what you think

Sounds like a good plan to me.  VTEC968 knows more about that sort of thing though

Thanx chris, ill talk to him about it

i wouldnt mess with a b18c5 ull end up paying for the motor what u have to spend in total &nbsp;a b18c1 or b18b like i got i think is much more practical .......or if u wanna be unique get a b20.....or if ur lookin for somethin awesome a b20 non vtec bottom end with b18c5 head &nbsp;<img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> they are rare but they are awesome

You have a few options...

Stock engine with build up
SOHC vtec from the newer one
JDM 1.5 with 3stage vtec buildup
1.6 dohc vtec
1.8 b18c1 or c (japan)

then you have your...
ls/vtec
b20/vtec
and then your b16b and b18c5 or b18c6 (euro)

C5 or b16b swap is recommended if you want abosoluote power without build up. Also if all motor is your plan this is for you. LSD and others are MOS DEF a plus. I know for a fact is better idea than building up C1 cause i mean you get many xtras for just 1500-2000 more. You add it up you wont be as happy as you will doing either of the R swaps.

hey konrad how much do u have to spend?

so far i have 5k for an engine and about 1500 for a car

lmao...now THAT is the way to spend it

buy a busted old rx7 and drop a 3 rotor in <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

then start saving to replace that engine in 100,000 miles

will a B18C1 or a B18C5 still fit in a Honda CRX?

Yes, but youre gonna have to get a different tranny. Crx uses cable tranny and the c5 comes with hydro. Get cable tranny and put it on the motor and youre good to go.

they sell a kit to adapt cable to hydraulic...or with a little engineering you could do it...

B18C5s and B18C-Rs aren't the same motor, btw.
B18C-Rs come with better final drive from the factory, have 11.1:1 compression as opposed to the 10.6:1 in the C5 as well as a few other differences (the 4-1 header, cams, ECU), and the valve cover has an 'H' emblem. &nbsp;Woo-Hoo JDM to the tooth!!!

Plus, the larger b-series engines require much more than a transmission conversion. &nbsp;Even the B16A requires work to fit in the USDM chassis.

HASport manufactures the mount kits and hydro conversion kits.

You have basically 6500 for car/motor. &nbsp;So get a 92 hatch VX for like 2500 (shop around, you can find cheaper). &nbsp;That gives you 4 grand you can spend on a B18C1.

No Sean. 92-up civic you can put JDM or USDM in the same way. Might be slight different wiring but thats it. Mount wise is all the same. Oil pan might hang a lil low on the bigger beseries. Especially on the 4gen. Thats it though. You have to get mount kit for the 4gen to make things work. Thats it though. Cant swap bseries into 4gen without hasport or hcp or some type of kit.

And the b18cr actually came in 2 different versions. 96-97 which had the 4-2-1 header and valve ports were different, as also balance of the motor was different.

I'm kinda new to this board but my suggestion would be, if you want a really nice motor for the same price as the b18c5, me and some people really dislike the B18C5&quot;&quot;FUCATYPR&quot;&quot;... I just think the B18C5 is truely overrated first off. Why not get a B18B or B18a bottom end for extremly cheap, resleeve it to 84mm, get a Vtec head and there you have it, a 2.0 motor. Stronger then and B18C5 for about the same price to get a type r motor.

cant you just restroke one?

If your talking about restroking the LS motors the B18b to a 2.0 I couldnt imagine how bad the rod ratio would be. The B18b block is the same as a B20 block. The only thing honda did was bore out the cyclinder walls to 84mm from 81mm and bamm now you have a 2.0 killer block.

The 84.5 gorilla sleeves are mack ass. Think...Honda with torque! I would get probe pistons and rods to make the package complete. They are ultralite and the whole combo of the probe custom parts and the resleeve really kicks ass! Had a run in or 2 in ATL with some of these kinda buildups at the Honda-Tech.com meet. I was very impressed with how are from a 60roll they would pull on my hatch.

Good luck...Lsvtec is a hellafied thing and if you want a build up its the thing.

Or...u could leave Honda... <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

to this i just want to mention again that i have a 92 LS full swap.. ready to go..perfect to build into a torque monster..or drop it in as is, and work on it later.

and I also have a done car for less than that budget.. sure it is at the beach, but look at all you get:

92 Si hatch
99 b16a2 drivetrain 45k miles
HP Racing header (421)
STR cam gears
intake
ACT street/strip clutch
Clutchmaster aluminum flywheel
lowered with some type of springs..
rides nice
DC lower rear tie bar

fast car.. i'd say 9.3s at minimum...

dont quote me, but i believe a h22 dropped in a crx would be a relatively easy swap...i have seen many on the internet..a crx with a h22...runs mid 9's (1/8)..high 14's (1/4) with just the stock motor..i dunno...just trying to add some life to the board..

Mark
95SE

that swap should run faster then mid 9s

I agree...

Anyone think I should pin this topic?

what is the best engine for the least amount of $$

Im sorry. I dunno how you came to the conclusion that h22 in a crx is easy...but it isnt. I know from Hands on experience. Its more than you think. But hey...its nothin a GSR, ITR, or CTR isnt. Im sure youll say different but ride in 92-95 civics with all of them then race them. Ive beat more than one 92-95 civic hatch with a h22 in it. This is fact not fiction. People need to get off h22...cause its ok but not the best for all out performance.

I'd listen to ben

What did the H22 come in the late model Accord? &nbsp;I need some Honda schooling... What is the S2000 engine named? &nbsp;CR-V engine, etc...

H22 are from preludes....and accords in japan....im not sure which ones....and i think the s2000 motor is the f20c?didnt they put like a f20b in a accord in japan or somethin?...anyways im not to helpful &nbsp;lol

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I agree with Ben, The H22 swap into a Bseries car is relatively harder then many people think. Come on now your swapping a H series in to a Bseries. If it was so easy to do, then why does Place Racing and many other places sell mounting kit for the conversion. Also for what, the H22 is OVERRATED, the damm motor is way to heavy and I gurantee you , your run crappy times. Yes the H22 is a 2.2 liter and there's mad torque, but the overall performance on the motor is as i said OVERRATED. Unless your planning to do like L~Natural and run 16.1 compression. there's no point. In my opion, as Spoon Si said, currently the motor that will out perform any motor naturaly asiprated is probaly a B20/Vtec.

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I think if you do not want to spend a lot of money on a swap, get an LS motor. Great motor for the money. The only thing I do not like about the LS swap is the tranny. The gearing are way too long if your planning to run all motor, but for Supercharge or Turbo Charge its perfect. Also there's many options with an LS,, LS/vtec, bore it out to 84mm and now you have a 2.0 motor. Or you can take it easy route and throw in some CTR pistons, which will bump your compression to 11.6.. Trust me you love it, a friend of mine is running this set-up and for an LS motor it is crazy.

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I agree with Ben, The H22 swap into a Bseries car is relatively harder then many people think. Come on now your swapping a H series in to a Bseries.
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actually you're swapping an H series into a D-series.....and with the HASport or HCP kit it is actually a fairly easy swap.
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If it was so easy to do, then why does Place Racing and many other places sell mounting kit for the conversion. Also for what, the H22 is OVERRATED, the damm motor is way to heavy and I gurantee you , your run crappy times. Yes the H22 is a 2.2 liter and there's mad torque, but the overall performance on the motor is as i said OVERRATED. Unless your planning to do like L~Natural and run 16.1 compression. there's no point. In my opion, as Spoon Si said, currently the motor that will out perform any motor naturaly asiprated is probaly a B20/Vtec.
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well i'll be the first to say that you don't know what you're talking about. &nbsp;don't get me wrong a Frankenstein motor in a civic is badass.....but a B20VTEC swap will cost a whole lot more than an H22 and will perform about the same. &nbsp; An H22 in a civic will not run crappy times unless you can't drive or it is setup wrong. &nbsp;plus with an upgraded suspension an H22'd civic can be a great handling car. &nbsp; Granted if you're looking for a motor to build the heck out of i wouldn't pick the H22, because of the smaller aftermarket compared to the b-series, but don't spread propaganda about this being a bad engine to swap.......well just for your info, i'm probably going to be doing an H22 swap over a B20VTEC......it will be my daily driver, not an auto-x'er or anything......but i'm sure i will be happy with the 1/4 mile and 1/8 mile times bone stock.....of course i will be modifying it to an extent.....and probably adding a relatively small shot of N20......anyways.....just my 2

it seems like an H22 would make it really front heavy

well i have had two 5th gen preludes....H22 ar not over rated they are strong motors....not saying anything about swap just talkin about power...plus it comes down to driving...straight drag racing who cares about handleing?....i have ls in my civic and i ran a civic with a gsr swap with tires at the strip...he ran a 9.40 on slicks i ran a 9.54 on donuts...so if i were u delsolracer i would do a LS swap...parts are cheap and nice torque =P

an H22 is about 80 lbs heavier than your avg B-series swap. With stiffer springs, and a fat rear sway bar, it corrects the problem.......a B-series is obviously a good swap because you can bolt it in, and sure a built B-series can be as fast and faster than a H22, but if you want to be faster than a B18C, and not have to build something, get the H22, do some suspension work and you have a very fast street car that actually handles better than a stock civic. &nbsp;Thats all i want.....if you want more info go to Honda-tech.com and do a search......there are several guys there that have the swaps, and a guy that develops products for HASport has a civic with H22 with power steering and A/C.......HCP has a bracket for a/c that makes it easy to have....p/s requires one weld and some fabbing......not too hard tho, i plan on doing the swap myself. <img src="http://www.spartanburgracing.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

later

vtec968.....ran a 9.40 on slicks i ran a 9.54 on donuts
ay....get dat shiez right....9.47 on street tires!!!

Yea 92-93 hatchbacks with H22s handle like ass. *So much understeer its rediculous. *A few suspension mods help, but even with the best suspension in the world, the cornering speed still won't be near as good as a GSR, LS, or Si swap. *Of course, not many people build hatchbacks with autoXing and road racing in mind so its really irrelevent. *Personally if I was gonna build a honda, I'd use a GSR motor or maybe even the Si. *Both have HUGE aftermarket support and in the cause of the GSR have great power out of the box. *GSR tranny would be what I use as well. *Lot of people like the LS better but I love the long gears of the GSR (right Ben). *

And no I'm not pro GSR cause of Ben, all the best hatchbacks I've seen are GSR motors. *Or B16 in the case of that guy who was in the GT races a while back (the yellow hatch, I'm sure Ben knows his name). *Personally me and Ben think that something was done internally to his old hatches motor (port and polish maybe?), but we were always just to lazy to take the head off.

course, I wouldn't even go honda at all. &nbsp;Go Mitsu or Ford.

my b16 was doing pretty good.. i think.. for what it was.. ask ben also.. and it was in a 4dr..

understeer in a H22 swap is greatly exagerated, have you ever driven one? ok I havent either, but many people who have say that their car (w/ modded susp ie stiffer springs and fat rear swaybar) handles great. &nbsp;So unless you're speaking from experience, or you've driven a H22 civic with stock suspension then you don't know what you're talking about. &nbsp;H22 will obviously be faster than a B18c, and it costs less.....and because of the larger displacement has more potential, and although the aftermarket isn't as large as the B-series market, there is still plenty of support to build a hot motor. that will smoke a hype-r or B20 any day. &nbsp;People have built a H22 civic for road racing.....and had no problem with understeer......check out JDMshit.com........semi-informative....there are other sites that are better, but i cant remember them....for some reason JDMshit tends to stick in your mind

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