With the friends and family around, do you think it was god made?

Everything was created by God.

From the vantage point of those of us who do not have much family, it seems that love from family members is definitely a gift that some are lucky enough to receive, others not.

You never know how fortunate you are until you lose something dear. How would the loss of a loved one affect your view of the Almighty?

yet the 'beginning of wisdom' is not love.

is it just me, or is mr. cz becoming a more thoughtful individual in his old age? ;)

naaw, just more intelligible :bigthumb:

family is obviously very important to God, which is why Satan attempts to destroy it

Ephesians 6
the training and instruction of the Lord.

Hebrews 12
it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.


the training of mankind would be an expression of love from god to man.

yet god gives cursed mankind as a tutor the prince of anti-love, satan.

the portion of mankind who worships a work of satan has not recieved the training and instruction of the Lord.

the love of a Daddy expresses as protecting his kids from satan while training and instructing them to the best of his ability.

so that they will be able to protect and train their children.

a Father hires satan as nanny for His children, and stays in His office their whole life.

{His office being head of the 'Punish Everybody Who Doesn't Love Father Enough ' department.}

so I am thinking that love is original sin expressing itself.

our ability to love someone OTHER than the Father is what is being weeded out.

abram and his knife.

dang, that puts jesus as a satan ploy AGAIN.

by tricking you into loving the Son rather than the Father satan pries enough of your love away from the Father to be actionable by the PEWDLFE
, eternal ocean of fire.

except for the Chosen, who ARE protected from satan AND trained and instructed by the spirit of the Father. :owned:

No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

see my signature.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

My eyes were looking kind of misty last night as my now 10 years old daughter opened up presents from her friends and family. When I look at her, I wish to give her everything. Yet everything is only limited to what I can do.

Why would God want to give me love?

BTW...I brought home late yesterday a large Bratz doll makeup kit, disposable camera, two kites, a bank jar that digitally counts your money, a shit load of squirt guns, small organizer, and a tired sore body.

I would give my daughter heaven. No matter what. That is because I love her.

A god doesn't love. Only a deal maker.

blood = liquid love

Why would God want to give me love?



Because he created you, through his various mechanisms. How can you not feel affection for something you made? Even I loved my old rotaries, even though I blew them up with regularity.

yet the 'beginning of wisdom' is not love.

Exactly. It is fear. It takes someone who really loves you to smack the shit out of you before you do something stupid. Most people these days just back off and say "it's okay, I'm sure everything'll get better, just snap out of it"

A real concerned individual will FORCE a loved one to stop fucking up their life. God forced the Israelites to stay away from iniquity, through FEAR.

but god FAILED, over and over again, to set up a consistant avoidance of iniquity in the jews.
they ALWAYS went back to their evil ways.

fear only works temporarily, for consistancy love is a better motivator.

all fear inspires is a desire to avoid punishment, love inspires the desire to do good.

Because he created you, through his various mechanisms. How can you not feel affection for something you made? Even I loved my old rotaries, even though I blew them up with regularity.
Sorry, love doesn't mean I'll be throwing my child onto a bed of burning coals later. You just don't do that to your own creations.

I think the imagery of hell represents that which nonbelievers will ultimately bring upon themselves. It's a byproduct of free will. If you protect your kids too much, they will not develop.

I think the imagery of hell represents that which nonbelievers will ultimately bring upon themselves. It's a byproduct of free will. If you protect your kids too much, they will not develop.

One day, you will regret what you have just posted here.

And don't even comment about the love for one's child until you have one of your own. That is a true test of a person on how they treat their kids.


And for hell, who do you fear more, he that can destroy the flesh, or Him that can destroy the soul? Hell is not entirely a byproduct of free will. What about those who have never heard the message of God? Is it fair to say that they will go to hell? Is God that unjust?

Sorry, love doesn't mean I'll be throwing my child onto a bed of burning coals later. You just don't do that to your own creations.

Very good point there czar.

I think the imagery of hell represents that which nonbelievers will ultimately bring upon themselves. It's a byproduct of free will.

hell is an act of will by god.
if he willed it all of mankind and the fallen angels would be forgiven and hell COULD be abolished to wherever it was before god created it.

If you protect your kids too much, they will not develop.

god seems downright darwinian in how he developes the race of man at the expense of casting aside the vast majority to select a few for perfection.

he is selecting for fear, not love.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

Sorry, love doesn't mean I'll be throwing my child onto a bed of burning coals later. You just don't do that to your own creations.

throwing your children into the fire is a privilege reserved for god alone, humans are specifically forbidden to usurp gods holy good parenting methods.

throwing your children into the fire is a privilege reserved for god alone, humans are specifically forbidden to usurp gods holy good parenting methods.
I should stick with God's instruction of beating my kids with a rod.

hell is an act of will by god.
if he willed it all of mankind and the fallen angels would be forgiven and hell COULD be abolished to wherever it was before god created it.



god seems downright darwinian in how he developes the race of man at the expense of casting aside the vast majority to select a few for perfection.

he is selecting for fear, not love.

:bowdown: :screwyou:

Not a bad point, from a worldly standpoint. You're smart enough to debate rationally, although when it comes to spiritual matters (upholding what is right from an eternal standard), you fail.

I should stick with God's instruction of beating my kids with a rod.

Was "rod" meant figuratively, or literally? Remember that the Old Testament was written for Israel and Israel alone. It serves as a spiritual guide for God's standards, though you are probably aware that spiritual matters are immaterial......

Christ, and his Perfect compassion, is the standard that Christians adhere to.

Was "rod" meant figuratively, or literally? Remember that the Old Testament was written for Israel and Israel alone. It serves as a spiritual guide for God's standards, though you are probably aware that spiritual matters are immaterial......

Christ, and his Perfect compassion, is the standard that Christians adhere to.
Perfect compassion...showed it toward Man or God?

Do continue, as I know you will provide examples of how compassion was not showed for the wicked.

Compassion to Man as a trick. For the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ proclaims Jesus himself will sit in judgment and spare no Man, woman and child deserving of Hell.

Jesus loves his robots but not the ones whom stray away from his focus. Not a good multitasker God is.

Not perfect compassion.

Yeah, what he said^

If you want to be on Jesus' list, you need to try to get there. Just (re)read the gospels. If you are called, you will know. If not, stop being so vindictive about it. What are you going to do? You're going to hell, and it will be by your own rejection of His Perfect Will. You need Jesus, because you can't find peace on your own. Not even buddhism will get you there, because pride will still remain.

Do continue, as I know you will provide examples of how compassion was not showed for the wicked.

trick question, the definition of wicked is anybody who god shows no compassion for.

so the earth opened and swallowed the wicked servants of the rebellious tribal leaders, even though the servants were not actually part of the plot to overthrow moses.

You're down to arguing details and semantics. Try again, and this time frame a rational response. How does the human body fight an infection? Does it single out just the virus, or does it carpet bomb cellular tissue and then clean up later?

Seriously, you like evolution concepts. Which organisms were naturally selected out of the gene pool - ones that were kind to all cells that were "innocent" of infection, or ones that attacked all intrusions with aggression, going back to replenish damaged cells later through regeneration?

guilt by association ?

a MAJOR problem I have with the theistic/christian way of looking at things is that y'all expect god to treat PEOPLE like pots, or cells.

replenish damaged cells later through regeneration


satan KILLS jobs children, god later makes up for it by giving job NEW children to take their place.


jobs love of god is supposed to DISPLACE jobs love for his children so that he could ACCEPT the new kids as a replacement set of plates that god wants him to love as he loved the set of dinnerware that god gave him first and then broke.
love his children as borrowed bowls, not as people, only god is to be loved as a person.

dehumanization : to deprive of human qualities, personality, or spirit.