The nearest gas station to my house is now $2.41 for regular :(

yeah, i know. it's just so damn rediculous. i haven't been out yet so i don't know what it is near me. last night on my way home it was $2.25 for both regular and the next grade up at the hot spot up the road from me. the new station they built at ingles over here is usually a few cents cheaper but there's always a line at the pumps.

I filled up the Explorer at ingles for $2.10 earlier this week. I think it's went up at least a dime since then. If they'd quit teasing me and left it at $2.00, i'd be happy, but all this up and down shit is annoying.

Personally, I'd welcome $5 a gallon if it meant all the people driving around with no real purpose were off the road. It'd make them think twice about going for a "recreational" drive just because they were bored and wanted a change of scenery. If it got all the smoke-belching shit boxes and SUVs off the road too, so much the better.

Make it $10/gallon and I'd have my own lane. :bigthumb:

Pshh, I'll still be on the road to bother you!

My van runs on anything :P

Propane/Methane/Ethonol/Methonol/Gasoline/Kerosine/Jet Fuel

Its $2.79 for regular over here, hasn't dropped below 2.50 in months. I've already cut out all joy rides, all I do is go from home to school, school to home....

heh.


funny thing is, oil was at a record low not a month gone around here.

Gas prices are still meh. Oh well, thank god for the company gas card :bigthumb:

Damn. I guess it was too much to hope that you'd been conveniently crushed by a semi, huh Godling? :bigthumb:

just filled up this evening, 2.36. Had to pre-pay cause I filled up in an area with lots of blacks. :screwyou:

ever dated a black chick, meddle? :)

I'm not sure that I've ever made direct eye contact with one.

You whiny little shits. I filled up 4 days ago for $2.60. It's up to $2.69 now.

I'm tellin ya folks, this Iran stuff is no joke

I'll just move back home with my syrian relatives. :gives:

2.55 we have 2 gas stations here that run a monopoly, if you go 15 miles in any direction it is at least 5 cents cheaper

I'm tellin ya folks, this Iran stuff is no joke

WTF does that have to do with the price of gas at the pump? What oil Iran produces, they sell to China.

WTF does that have to do with the price of gas at the pump? What oil Iran produces, they sell to China.He was implying that it's yet another sign that the tribulation and the eventual doom of everyone who doesn't think just like he does is drawing near. :roll:

In fact, anything that happens in the middle east is now perceived to be a sign of the coming tribulation by Godboy.

Iran's master plan is to destroy the U.S., either economicaly or physically, so they can get to Israel, and "wipe them off the map"


That's some master plan.

Iran trying to destroy the U.S. is like a prairie dog taking on a 800 lb Gorilla.



http://www.turtletrack.org/Issues00/Co08262000/Art/pdinwild.jpg
http://www.cohsoft.com.au/nature/gallery/g/gorilla.jpg

and i believe you have finally flipped your shit!

^^ Finally?

We all know you're a raving lunatic. You don't have to remind us hourly...

There's no doubt that you're a raving lunatic, but whether you've ever been right about anything is debatable.

you know mark it might just be you failing to realize that during war our economy rises, what do you think will happen when we go to war with Iran?

if you dont believe me go find all the statistics (sp?) how do you think we got out of the great depression? WW2! how do you think we got out of the slight depression after 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom! (which if you ask me, was +1 more reason we went)

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-top-ten-countries/maps-of-world-top-ten-oil-reserves-countries.gif

Canada is #2... coincidence? :roll:

No wonder Canada just kicks back, they've got enough oil to do what ever the hell they want.

actually YZF, you might want to do a bit more research then going to "peakoil.com"

the truth is, the recently discovered field in Canada really does put pretty much everything to shame.

If you want to get rich, invest in a few choice Canadian oil companies, in the next five to ten years they are going -huge-.

Now... if we start talking Natural Gas, then the US is pretty much top dog.

CNG is pretty nice, having its own advantages, but it's a largely troublesome fuel source for the non-fleet vehicle. LPG on the other hand . . . :)

that is speculative at best

from the studies I have seen, the middle east dwarfs eveywhere elseWhich studies were those, AIG's or ICR's? :roll:

Would you take SPE's word for it? Probably not, but what the hell...

http://www.spe.org/specma/binary/images/2919953WORLDOILRESERVES.gif

you're such an idiot

one stupid bs map by little jimmie and you think Canada are the new oil kings? :roll:
The billions of new investment dollars, advances in oil sand extraction technology, etc. in just the past two years alone back his case and demonstrate you to be resoundingly, irrefutably wrong on this topic.

you're such an idiot

one stupid bs map by little jimmie and you think Canada are the new oil kings? :roll:

the middle east is likely 8-10 times the reserves of Canada, and even those reserves are likely overestimatedMy, how the world turns...

The oil is already pumping, so no.

perhaps your home country will become a desolate, ugly strip mine...some "victory"

weak comeback. oil sands are sands saturated with oil. Not much good for growing crops or making scenic parks, are they? Strip mining is for diamonds, which Canada also has a large chunk of the world's supply of. Not oil, which is so abundant the province of Alberta just paid every man, woman, and child residing there an extra $400. Just because.

Figures you'd confuse strip mining with oil sands :rolleyes:

the great irony of technologyIs that douche bags like yourself abuse it to spew horseshit at hundreds of people you normally wouldn't be able to annoy...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/22/MNG46CMUPL60.DTL

from your own link:

"Yet Alberta's oil sands are destined to be the main supply of foreign oil to the United States for at least the next century"

Still Rofling at your statement "one stupid bs map by little jimmie and you think Canada are the new oil kings?"

I like how you are proven wrong and you ignore it and chnage the topic

:rofl:

sorta like when I ask you to show how evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics and creation does not, eh?

I like how you are proven wrong and you ignore it and chnage the topicSort of like you were wrong about Canada's oil reserves?

It's always easy to tell when you're cornered because you start misspelling shit...

heh every time I ask, all you can mew is 'I already answered'. On rare occasion you actually point to where you think you answered, said answer has been deconstructed and proven to not only not satisfy the question, but to be off topic.

Come on, show us specifically how evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and prove creation does not.

again, where evolution violates the second law is the concept of progressively increasing information (energy) with time...."time's arrow" (entropy) is always toward disorderThe Earth and life are not closed systems.

As usual, you're just regurgitating the erroneous information you read somewhere else, posted by people who understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics as poorly as you do...

the universe is generally regarded as a closed systemWe're not talking about the universe.

furthermore, the second law applies equally well to open or closed systems...True, but only in an isolated system must entropy increase.

the oft-parroted 'closed system' argument is pure nonsense...

education time:So you thought you'd parrot some counter-nonsense?

so you have a degree in physics and thermo now?Don't need to. I'm dealing with someone whose only qualification for discussing physics is being able to hit CTRL and C at the same time.

I'm not wrong until production actually lives up to said predictions, relative to the middle east



it's 3 am and it's been a long day

You are in fact wrong--this is also from your article:


Yet Alberta's oil sands are destined to be the main supply of foreign oil to the United States for at least the next century. The sands hold proven reserves of 175 billion barrels, second only to Saudi Arabia's 262 billion, and far more than the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge's estimated 10 billion.

Do me a favor--define "proven" for us. This is not a prediction, Mark. PROVEN reserves mean exactly that....not predicted, or hoped-for...but PROVEN.

"proven" means when their production meets or exceeds that of the middle east

Wrong again, Mark--"proven reserves" is a term that the entire oil industry uses. It means that this is the amount PROVEN TO EXIST. Reserves are not standard production quantities--they are RESERVES. This is the method used in the industry to describe the size of the oil field, NOT PRODUCTION. Why do you lie like this?

Here--try this link:

http://www.pregnantpause.org/overpop/oil.htm

At least until you know the definition of "proven reserves". It is the amount of oil which has actually been located, and which can be extracted from the ground economically.

"Proven reserves" is a standard term within the oil industry to indicate the amount of oil from a particular field that can be economically be removed from that field today using current technology--and here's the kicker:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_market_basics/Supply_reserves_and_resources.htm

Proved oil reserves reflect only a fraction of the oil that a reservoir may hold, and say nothing of reservoirs that have not yet been evaluated. Historically, only some 30 percent of the total oil in a reservoir -- the "original oil-in-place" -- was recoverable. As pressure declines in the reservoir, the oil becomes costlier and costlier to produce until further production becomes uneconomic, as discussed in the section on oil production. However, as discussed in Upstream Technology, recent advances now allow greater recovery from old reservoirs.

Even the DOE, which is something of an authority on the topic, says you are wrong. Not only that, but look at the number--THIRTY PERCENT is historically what makes up the "proven reserves" of a given oil field....That means that the proven reserve listed for that field is only about 30% of the oil that is PROVEN to be there. Any questions?

any questions?Yeah. Were you born stupid, or did your stupidity just evolve naturally? :bigthumb:

I was born smarter than you, dipshitSo what happened to you since then? :roll:

Let me know when you finally catch up.

furthermore, the second law applies equally well to open or closed systems...

it is only the over-all entropy of a complete, or closed system that must increase when spontaneous change occurs. In the case of spontaneously interacting sub-systems of a closed system, some may gain entropy, while others may lose entropy. For example, it is a fundamental axiom of thermodynamics that when heat flows from subsystem A to subsystem B, the entropy of A decreases and the entropy of B increases. The statement that an increase in order can only occur as the result of a directional mechanism, program, or code is misleading.

Failure to understand that in thermodynamics probabilities are not fixed entities has led to a misinterpretation that is responsible for the wide- spread and totally false belief that the second law of thermodynamics does not permit order to spontaneously arise from disorder. In fact, there are many examples in nature where order does arise spontaneously from disorder: Snowflakes with their six-sided crystalline symmetry are formed spontaneously from randomly moving water vapor molecules. Salts with precise planes of crystalline symmetry form spontaneously when water evaporates from a solution. Seeds sprout into flowering plants and eggs develop into chicks.

It'll take more than that to pierce his thick skull... maybe Kryptonite bullets would work?

is that a death threat? lolNo Mark, you're the only one around stupid enough to post death threats on internet forums.

i think mark got hit with a few 2x4's in this thread

exactly, so my point stands: "reserves" is a completely different animal from "production"

the reserves may be "proven", but production is NOT proven

any questions?

That is not what you said and you know it. let me refresh your memory--I asked you this:

Do me a favor--define "proven" for us

Your reply:

"proven" means when their production meets or exceeds that of the middle east

Now you decided to change it, and mention that reserves and production are two different things....but before you lumped them together as one.

You will note that NO ONE tried to claim that Canada is producing this amount of oil NOW. You will also note that when the map was posted, you said that Canada's oil RESERVES as represented were, and I quote--

that is speculative at best

from the studies I have seen, the middle east dwarfs eveywhere else

So, which is it? FIRST, you say that the oil RESERVES, not production, is "speculative at best", THEN you confuse the term "proven reserves" with actual production, and FINALLY, you now admit that:

the reserves may be "proven"

So which is your actual position on the PROVEN OIL RESERVES IN CANADA?

Let's see...more of your wisdom:

one stupid bs map by little jimmie and you think Canada are the new oil kings?

--By the way, that "stupid map" was even backed up by the link YOU POSTED....:evillaugh

If you look at every single comment that others have posted in here, NOT ONE OF THEM makes any sort of claim as to Canada's current oil production in relation to the middle east--only you brought that up. Here's what people did actually say--

If you want to get rich, invest in a few choice Canadian oil companies, in the next five to ten years they are going -huge

from your own link:

"Yet Alberta's oil sands are destined to be the main supply of foreign oil to the United States for at least the next century"

--that last one is just plain comical--your own link agrees, yet you do not, and you post that link as proof of your argument....Why do you have such a hard time just saying you made a mistake? DUDE--you messed up, and it is obvious.....be big enough to simply admit it and move on rather than beat the dead horse that is your rebuttal for the next six pages....

Gas went down to 2.39 in my area today :)

WRONG fuckheadShame, shame on you, Mark.

You'll have to edit your posts more quickly than that, or learn to think before you hit submit... :D

WRONG

"production" is the issue here, who cares what reserves may exist if they cannot be capitlaized upon? and you are late coming into this discussion

my response was to supper, who stated:

'pretty much everything' includes the middle east

Dude--now you are just lying. Let me back that up with the facts:

FIRST, jimlab posted the map--post #32...
http://www.theforumlounge.com/showpost.php?p=83063&postcount=32

Your immediate reply to that map was this:

that is speculative at best

from the studies I have seen, the middle east dwarfs eveywhere else

And when I say immediate, I mean immediate--yours was the very next post, #33! THAT WAS NOT A REPLY TO SUPPER. Moving right along--

Rodney then posted, and your IMMEDIATE reply to him was this, post #35--

you're such an idiot

one stupid bs map by little jimmie and you think Canada are the new oil kings?

the middle east is likely 8-10 times the reserves of Canada, and even those reserves are likely overestimated

Pay close attention--YOU MENTIONED RESERVES SPECIFICALLY, NOT PRODUCTION. So not only did you lie about where your comment came into the picture--but you cannot even keep your story straight about what you are referring to--production or reserves....

Oh, and it doesnt matter worth a damn when I came into this thread, Mark--you have no business trying to pass that off like it means anything. BOTTOM LINE--I am fully entitled to post in here, in any thread I want, WHENEVER I WANT, and I dont need your approval to do so. SO do keep your comments relevant, will ya?

The facts are simple--first you lied about what you were even referring to. THEN you lied about who you were posting the comments to. And finally, I came in to set the record straight on what was actually posted and when, because you are not man enough to simply admit when you screw up. Thanks for playing.:worship:

Shame, shame on you, Mark.

You'll have to edit your posts more quickly than that, or learn to think before you hit submit... :D

oh, thats ok, jim--I already saw it....and it doesnt matter anyways....with Mark back to his old tricks, like wishing cancer and death on people, I am hardly surprised. I guess it was my mistake for giving him more credit than that and trying to be civil to him--notice that I have not used one such insult towards him in these threads....but oh well. Garbage in, garbage out, I suppose.:smokin:

the fact is production in Canada has only recently ramped up, they were a blip a few years ago.So basically, you'll use any technicality you can think of to avoid admitting that you were wrong and that I was right. :bigthumb:

I'm not sure how the numbers compare presently, but whether production is sustainable at a rate to eclipse the middle east is highly questionable.Sure, to someone who doesn't have the first clue what he's talking about and just wants everything to fit in nicely with his middle eastern Armageddon theory...

yeah, and you are the oil expert now?Are you?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

fine, Canadian "production"

happy?

Not hardly, because if you knew the industry, you would know that production numbers change over time as new technology is available, so the oil that we cannot economically get out of there today will likely be available in the not-too-distant future anyways. That means that the current size of the proven reserve is VERY relevant to our future oil issues.

Come to think of it, I would just be satisfied if you could just plainly admit when you were wrong. I do it and a lot of others do too....why not you?

yeah, and you are the oil expert now?

sure

Well, genius, I DO work in the oil industry every day....what is your claim to fame that you think you know so much? I dont think that i go to your workplace and tell you how you should be an engineer, so kindly smile while you eat your crow on this one, mmkay?

you posted a map off the internet Jim...congrats

And in reply, you posted a few lies, some insults, and then tried to act like you knew it all, and all in an industry that you dont know jack about because you dont work in it every day like I do. Johnny, what do we have for the losers??:evillaugh

oh, and "congrats"....

you posted a map off the internet Jim...congratsWhich you probably should have found before opening your big mouth, huh?

I never claimed to be an expert on the subject, but it took me about 15 seconds to find an accurate map. You, on the other hand, set yourself up as the expert, proved yourself WRONG with your own supporting evidence, and don't even have the good grace to admit it. How fucked up is that?!?

I know a little bit about this, hot shot....although my field is obviously not oil and gasObviously not. Everyone knows your field is hot air.

the technology will not change that much, I've worked with subsurface remediation all my career....hydro-fracing and directional drilling are the leading "high tech" approaches; there is only so much you can do to enhance yield from porous media

I know a little bit about this, hot shot....although my field is obviously not oil and gas

I was wrong about the reserves....not about the production....the middle east dwarfs it, and likely will continue to do so

So you were right about a point that no one even disputed in the first place--do you want a cookie?

Your field is not oil and gas--MINE IS. As for the technology, you are guessing--it changes all the time. Even today, oil reserves are being tapped beyond the point they were able to be used just years ago. technology advances are a significant part of the now-huge push to cut down on our foreign dependence....so dont count your chickens, Mark.

awhhhh shit wtf? yzf-1 is in this thread too? wtf? does he have to argue about everything? zomg stfu! "god is punishing us by raising the gas prices"

lies?

you love to use that term out of context

yes, LIES, Mark. nothing was taken out of context--and you already admitted how you were mixing up production and reserves....so if you admitted a mistake, HOW DID I TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT? thanks for playing.

Oh, and since when? Since I moved to this state, genius. we have gone over this a thousand times--I work as an inspector. I go into the various plants in the area--I am responsible for 34 of them at this time--and whenever black oil, crude oil, or chemical products are transferred--that means bought or sold in case you did not know--I make sure they do it right. I make sure they follow the laws and I verify the amounts transferred, as well as the quality of the product. I work with "big oil" every day. you do not. I must stay on top of new information within the industry--you don't. So next time you want to tell me about what you think you know, better take a step back and use your melon first. Eventually, when you talk shit, someone will legitimately know more than you and be there to show you the door. Today, that someone is me. have a nice game of chess!!!

to re-iterate

You're not holding your breath--but you ARE getting caught in lies, and at the same time, you are wishing death upon others....do you ever stop and think that just maybe your actions bring about at least some of what you get from people?? SERIOUSLY....WAKE UP

hey yzf does god like pussy?

I admitted the statement about Canada's reserves was incorrectNo, you didn't. You skated around it as long as you could until it was obvious that everyone knew you were wrong, then you sort of admitted it and tried to pass it off as if you were referring to production rather than reserves... :rolleyes:

gloat about your little victoryI wouldn't expect you to have the good manners to lose an argument gracefully, but this is absolutely pathetic...

lol....yeah, you "showed me the door"

kiss my ass, mr. oil inspector

I admitted the statement about Canada's reserves was incorrect (more accurately, simply out of date), gloat about your little victory.

Now--next you should admit you were wrong for wishing cancer and death upon someone else, and then apologize for the insults you cast out to anyone and everyone. Once again, this time, I proved that I can come into a thread, POLITELY, with no insults towards you, and even then you cannot help yourself.

.....and the truth shall set you free.....:evillaugh

EDIt--you dont get it--thats the worst part. Do you have any idea how much smarter it would make you look if you would only learn the words "I'm sorry--my bad...."?? You could actually represent like you are an educated guy instead of someone just trying to act like the people on Jerry Springer....THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO WINS OR LOSES--it is about you refusing to admit you made a mistake until you absolutely have no choice, and even then you usually refuse. Admitting a mistake does not mean you lost--it means you are HONEST, and you would at least gain respect for that.

That's it--thats your problem....you would rather be NOT WRONG than RIGHT. There IS a difference, Mark...you would be smart to learn that.

I hope you have to be admitted to an emergency room with a Dr. Zaius doll lodged halfway up your ass and it makes national news...

Planet of the Apes. Ironic, no?

Even today, oil reserves are being tapped beyond the point they were able to be used just years ago. technology advances are a significant part of the now-huge push to cut down on our foreign dependence....so dont count your chickens, Mark.
:werd:

Its amazing to see some of the new pieces of kit that are out there on location anymore.

We just picked up a contract with Haliburton (on top of the one with Schlumberger) and its just mind bogling to see some of their new, top end shit rolling into our shop for rebuild.


btw... term of the day "Oil shale"

care to post a few pics?
some of the stuff I would probably get my tit in a ringer for if I posted it.

But I have a couple dozen shots of Schlumbergers older stuff.

Gimme a few to find em.

these were all taken a couple years ago in our old shop, the new facility is close to four times as big as what you see pictured:

5 1/2" Elmar gear:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/01b9f313.jpg

some 5 1/2, 2 1/2, 4 1/16, and 7 1/16 gear:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/e017127e.jpg

more of it in the shop:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/d2db34fe.jpg

plug valve internals, stainless vs. inkonel (sp?)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/ca363f8a.jpg

this ones a little fucked:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/ea4d53be.jpg
(it got sent down the interstate at 65mph)

fresh from the Elmar factory, straight to our door for QC:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/28f7acfe.jpg

and I was just fuckin with ya about the "tit in a ringer" part.

All you have to do to see their equipment is do a few websearches on different manufacturers.

Hell, to order up technical info on most of it (everything but the guns that is) you just call up tech help and give them an assy. number.

care to post a few pics?


Why would he do that?? After all, the technology is not anything new, and you know so much about these things, right? By now, you should have posters up on your wall from the companies that manufacture these things....:)

btw, that stuff I posted pictures of has nothing to do with drilling.

It was more along the lines of what people do to get the wells to produce more once they have been drilled.

Its just wellhead pressure gear.

Lets em rig up on well and run whatever they want down hole.

I used to have some pics of the new kit that Baker is running for drilling operations, dunno what happened to them though.

heh, I so don't miss that job. I'll stick with the NASA contracts.