I personally think it is.

What about you guys?

Horseshit.

I'm kind of on the fence about it........what explains the unusally high water temps. that are creating all these severe storms that we have been hit with recently?

I think it is true to a certain extent. But I don't think we can control it.

what explains the unusally high water temps. that are creating all these severe storms that we have been hit with recently?How do you know there weren't large numbers of severe storms 200 or 400 or 600 years ago before anyone was keeping track?

I was more so refering to 'recent', as in since storms were recorded. They seem to be getting more and more powerful. And I believe the more powerful storms are attributed to a warmed water temp......but then again, I'm not meterologist.

How do you know there weren't large numbers of severe storms 200 or 400 or 600 years ago before anyone was keeping track?


Well isn't there some proof of things like this happening before? Maybe we are still just warming up from the mini ice age from the 1400’s. I think scientists are using core samples from the ocean floor and things like that to get an idea of patterns.

The human race is like spit on a fire when it comes to things like this.

I personally think its bullshit.

There are quite a few new glaciers in my local region. up around Jackson Hole there are a few snowpatches sticking around all year that haven't ever been seen in any pictures up until about three years ago.

but, it could just be that overall weatherpatterns are getting more severe, my state isn't known for high temps and there has been measurable snowfall 12 months out of the year ever since records started being kept in the mid 1800's.

I was more so refering to 'recent', as in since storms were recorded. Thet seem to be getting more and more powerful.Powerful compared to what? Storms 10 years ago? 50 years ago? 200 years ago? The problem is that you don't have a large enough statistical data set to support anything more solid than "I think...".

And I believe the more powerful storms are attributed to a warmed water temp......but then again, I'm not meterologist.No, you're a good little consumer of liberal media propaganda... :)

Well, how about you enlighten us with facts, instead of picking apart a statement I made admittedly out of my askewed knowledge.
EDIT: I try not get my news from liberal media.

Climate change, thats all it is. Just like the magnetic north pole moving to siberia.

Well, how about you enlighten us with factsApparently you're still missing the point. There isn't enough data available to enlighten anyone with "the facts".

Than how can you claim its 'horseshit'? Hypothtical guess?

How do you know there weren't large numbers of severe storms 200 or 400 or 600 years ago before anyone was keeping track?

paleoclimatology.

Than how can you claim its 'horseshit'? Hypothtical guess?Deductive reasoning. It's far more likely that this is something that has happened before in the history of the planet than that it is a new development caused by recent events.

That and the temperature data available for the last century...

Thanks jimlab. I was expecting a derogatory post insulting my intelligence, but you proved me wrong. I thank you for your patience and your insightful post. I think this is just what this forum needs....intelligent posts with the true to back it up.

I'm kind of on the fence about it........what explains the unusally high water temps. that are creating all these severe storms that we have been hit with recently?

What are the unusually high water temps? Show us some data.

* temperatures have been at a record high for a decade
* coastal shorelines have retreated
* island nations are losing habitable land
* glaciers are melting on five continents

* Prior to the advent of the industrial age, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was about 280 ppm (parts per million).
* Today it's over 360 ppm. That's an increase of about 30% in less than 300 years.
* Coming to earth from the sun, visible radiation passes through the clear atmosphere and hits the earth.
* A portion of it is absorbed and re-radiated back to space as IR.
* CO2 traps this IR and reflects it back to the earth's surface, causing further warming.
* The sun's rays pass through the car's windows (visible light), and hit the car's seats.
* There the visible light is absorbed, and re-radiated to the interior of the car as IR.
* But the car's glass windows, while transparent to visible light, are opaque to IR, so the heat is trapped within the car, and the car's interior temperature becomes unbearable.
* The ice cap on Mount Kilimanjaro may be gone in 20 years. About 1/3 of Kilimanjaro's ice field has disappeared in the last 12 years and 82% of it has vanished since it was first mapped in 1912.
* Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is thinning.
* Massive Antarctic ice sheets have collapsed into the sea with alarming rapidity.
* Geological data suggests that global average sea level may have risen at an average rate of 0.1 to 0.2 mm/yr over the last 3000 years.
* However, tide gauge data indicate that the global rate of sea level rise during the 20th century was 1 to 2 mm/yr.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/chanton.html


I know, I know Liberal BS. I just posted this cause I'm drunk and I don't feel like looking for more.

Wow, that was creepy. That almost looked like a post by YZF-R1. :)

Global warming. is it total bullshit?

batman repost.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence....

In 20 years the Panama Canal will not be only way to reach the Noth Pacific by sea. Neither will gooing around the southern horn of Africa. The Ice caps will ahvemelted enough to open the Norther Strait(image travelling by see across the Noth Pole).

We can control it. Its called the "carbon footprint" plan.

edit: I just looke dup and saw this beauty.
* However, tide gauge data indicate that the global rate of sea level rise during the 20th century was 1 to 2 mm/yr.
Does anyone comprehend how much water this is. Do the also understand that when you raise the temperature of water it expands, like anything else?

Global warming is really global cooling.

Hence the Ice Age, just ask the Mammoths. :)

I think it's a natural cycle that happens every so many thousands of years.

This time it may be happening during recorded history.

Whether or not it's effects or accelerated by the industrial age, that remains to be seen.

So you beleive our pollution has no effect on the earth?

Read my last sentence.

I haven't formed a strong opinion, but this is interesting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4532344.stm

Global warming is really global cooling.

Hence the Ice Age, just ask the Mammoths. :)

I think it's a natural cycle that happens every so many thousands of years.

This time it may be happening during recorded history.

Whether or not it's effects or accelerated by the industrial age, that remains to be seen.

+1

Global warming is really global cooling.

Hence the Ice Age, just ask the Mammoths. :)

I think it's a natural cycle that happens every so many thousands of years.

This time it may be happening during recorded history.

Whether or not it's effects or accelerated by the industrial age, that remains to be seen.


Yeah global warming leads to global cooling by the desalinization of the oceans.

i think that it is the natural course of events that loops every now and then in time. The only reason its so intense to us is because in the sceme of thing we are like a milisecond on the clock(the era of humanity). Only this time its happening in a week and a half and someone is going to have to trek to new york to make humanity survive. also, for instance dinosaurs... they just couldnt adapt because the frog dna used to start them was repilian and reptiles couldnt survive the temp change so quickly or the terminators lasers.

Complete and utter BS. "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton is the book that changed my mind on global fear. It's a fictional book with a fictional storyline, but all of the facts the story is based upon are real, and he cites every single one. Urban warming is a very real thing, but it doesn't really matter. The overall temperature of the earth has not significantly increased at all. The increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are completely inconsequential. The worldwide sea level cannot be accurately measured.

BTW - www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net. THAT is what you should all be worried about. Spend 45 minutes and read his entire website; he made a believer out of me.