Any thoughts?

"addicted" is a strange word choice in this context

I had considered using "dependent" in its place but I perferred the implications held by "addicted"

God "will not share My glory with another", because there is no other

For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.

But where does this propensity towards glory come from? Could an addiction serve as an answer?

Don't waste your time. First prove there is a God and then discuss whether he digs glory or not.

Don't waste your time. First prove there is a God and then discuss whether he digs glory or not.

First, prove YOU exist.

this is a direct reference to the fact that those suffering in the Lake of Fire will be a constant, visible reminder to all those who are saved (and those of future generations)

sobering stuff

question--why would those who are already saved need a constant visible reminder?? Wouldnt you think that finding yourself in heaven would serve as enough of a reminder?? I certainly would think so....and besides, at that point, once you've already been called to Heaven, why would any reminder be needed, since those who are called to heaven are there for eternity? It isnt like God would call one to heaven, only to evict that person three years from now....so at that point, such a reminder is pointless.

First, prove YOU exist.

When I can sit through a magic card trick hosted my my youngest, and it fails, yet I tell her she picked the right card, I indeed exist.

When I can sit through a magic card trick hosted my my youngest, and it fails, yet I tell her she picked the right card, I indeed exist.

lol, oh I liked this one. :bigthumb:

It all depends on how you want to look at it. If you want to go only by how things are, he's quite "assertive" in his requests from people.

Worship or you're screwed.

The perk to this? You get tons of benefits once you get with his in-crowd. Salvation and happiness seem to be in high demand these days, but it's one of those limited-time offer deals like on TV.

Finally, if you're one of those actiony types, you get a choice of checking out the HD live coverage or being front and center for God's Beatdown Block Party. I think it airs somewhere around the end of the world, and everybody who's anybody is going to be there to see this one. That kid Lucifer's had a beatdown coming for awhile now since that whole incident in Heaven, and God's so pissed that any one of his creations who don't rep his squad is going to catch that fire. Guess he was waiting to get the best of the best of his creations as backup.

God is like the ORIGINAL O.G., after busting his ass those 6 days he considers himself to have "paid the cost to be the boss".

warped statement....God first loved us (and created us)

without God you're nothing

Soooo, worship or you're screwed basically... lol, not much said here that differs from my original statement.

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true Christianity is actually a hard road, an invitiation to suffer as Christ suffered

sure, there are many selling a "health and prosperity gospel" (e.g. Joel Olsteen), but they are phonies

lol, but once you've passed the initiation and get in with the 'G-Unit' everything's awesome. Not like the entire time you're in Heaven you'd be suffering, otherwise what would be the difference between it and Hell?

Everyone's got their own version of afterlife rewards, be it chillin' on streets paved with gold/40 virgins/fighting the greatest heroes ever the entire day before coming back to life for partying at night. G-man looks out for his crew :bigthumb:


how many hours have you spent watching the Simpsons last year?

you have an extremely trivial and secular mind

lol, most likely just one. Only really can stand watching two episodes these days before I start to wonder why FOX keeps that show around.

Shame you can't appreciate my humor, however :D

Just figured I'd put the whole thing in an easier to understand context, since I know a lot of people get tired of the whole "insta-post bible quote" bit.

And I suppose 'secular' would be the best way to describe myself. Wouldn't go so far as to call myself part of the laity, but I'm not nor will ever be a clergyman. :teeth:

Sure, it means tons to me Mark. Hence why I brought up different versions.

Thanks for adding in another, though I'd have to say the personal criticisms at the end were a tad much. :P

question--why would those who are already saved need a constant visible reminder?? Wouldnt you think that finding yourself in heaven would serve as enough of a reminder?? I certainly would think so....and besides, at that point, once you've already been called to Heaven, why would any reminder be needed, since those who are called to heaven are there for eternity? It isnt like God would call one to heaven, only to evict that person three years from now....so at that point, such a reminder is pointless.

This is the problem with Hell. To my knowledge, there is no explanation for it, only unsatisfactory speculations.

because God is holy and pure, He is fixated and zealous for what is holy and pure, which ultimately is His own glory

in a human sense, this may seem narcissistic, but God always was, the only source of Truth

I’ve given this answer some thought. From an argumentative perspective, I’m not terribly partial to it, though from a spiritual one, I wonder. Is it fair to label God with purely humanistic qualities? Perhaps not…

no

you cannot ascribe tendencies and traits of fallen man to the eternal God

Yeah, that's a good point. Thought to say that he couldn't have such qualities would be limiting what he's capable of.

Example: We describe him as a vengeful God at times, and vengence is definitely something a human can be capable of. Maybe not to the same scale that God's been known to clean shop, but it only takes a bit of creativity to acheive similar results.

If you decide to spin it around that far, that is.

Yeah, that's a good point. Thought to say that he couldn't have such qualities would be limiting what he's capable of.

Example: We describe him as a vengeful God at times, and vengence is definitely something a human can be capable of. Maybe not to the same scale that God's been known to clean shop, but it only takes a bit of creativity to acheive similar results.

If you decide to spin it around that far, that is.

That is because many people look upon things from a decidedly human perspective. Let's face it--there was not one single human trait until God created it as such, therefore, to be accurate, we must realize that things like "vengeful" came from God long before they were human traits.

everything stems for God's perfect attrubutes: vengeance has it's origin in God's justice

human vengeance has it's origin in sinful pride

vengeance is mine, I will repay

Exactly the lesson I pointed out to you recently and that you ignored....too bad you're so full of yourself that you cannot help but think that you have some nonexistent right to your own veangence....

humans are "created in the image of God"...I believe this is primarily in a spiritual context, since God is spirit

so....we possess some of the Divine attritbutes, although marred by sin....when man denies the Creator, he quickly descends into moral and spiritual oblivion because he has lost connection with the Source

Jealousy is a sin....humans are frequently guilty of jealousy. SO IS GOD....

Deuteronomy 6:15
for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.

If it is a sin for a man to be jealous of someone enough to harm them or take something that they have, why is it not a sin for God to have that same jealousy enough to destroy, like that scripture says?

Here's a hint--to answer this one, you cannot simply say "because it is God...." There must be a real answer for that to make sense. Why is it not hypocrisy for God to possess enough jealousy to kill and destroy, but the same behavior is a sin when a man does it?

And at the same time, if your only answer is "because it is God", then explain why God would be that hypocritical to do every day what is dead wrong for those who are created in His image to do. Explain to us why God wants to follow His example(Jesus), but at the same time it is contradicted like the verse shows.

did you post another tirade, jonnie? when are you gonna figure out I have no respect for anything you say, hypocrite?

dude, youre a fucking moron....

I asked a serious question and it had nothing to do with you personally, so get the fuck over yourself and fast.

fuckin lunatic....

EDIT---ahh, I see....changed your post after you got busted being a fuckwad....too bad for you it was already quoted, dumbass

Let's face it--there was not one single human trait until God created it as such, therefore, to be accurate, we must realize that things like "vengeful" came from God long before they were human traits.

Oh, this much I agree on. But this also reinforces the point I was trying to make.

Man definitely is able to become addicted to glory, only what if this too is something we've gained from being children of God himself? In that light, would it not be possible for God to have such a trait?

What if he was and always will be? And does it really matter, given exactly who we're talking about here? lol

Oh, this much I agree on. But this also re-inforces the point I was trying to make.

Man definitely is able to become addicted to glory, only what if this too is something we've gained from being children of God himself?

that is why I asked the questions that marky tried to brush off with his blind ignorance....

I didn't start the thread

more people need to read books like Tozer's "Knowledge of the Holy" and turn off the T.V.

Is this in reference to a trivial question or a trivial mind?

"Some of my friends good-humoredly – and some a little bit severely – have called me a 'mystic.' Well I'd like to say this about any mysticism I may suppose to have. If an arch-angel from heaven were to come, and were to start giving me, telling me, teaching me, and giving me instruction, I'd ask him for the text. I'd say, 'Where's it say that in the Bible? I want to know.' And I would insist that it was according to the scriptures, because I do not believe in any extra-scriptural teachings, nor any anti-scriptural teachings, or any sub-scriptural teachings. I think we ought to put the emphasis where God puts it, and continue to put it there, and to expound the scriptures, and stay by the scriptures. I wouldn't – no matter if I saw a light above the light of the sun, I'd keep my mouth shut about it 'til I'd checked with Daniel and Revelation and the rest of the scriptures to see if it had any basis in truth. And if it didn't, I'd think I'd just eaten something I shouldn't, and I wouldn't say anything about it. Because I don't believe in anything that is unscriptural or that is anti-scripture." — What Difference Does the Holy Spirit Make?, A. W. Tozer

What a disappointing statement. One should think that if the Bible is indeed the Word of God and the absolute truth, then there would be no reason to ignore the seemingly contradictory.

after Adam disobeyed God, the image of God in man has since been marred, disfigured, and warped

WRONG.

Adam didnt disobey God--God created ADam knowing full well what his purpose and actions were to be....so, in that sense, Adam did EXACTLY AS GOD CREATED HIM TO DO. You have no legitimate argument for this.

God created us to worship Him, not to seek our own glory....Lucifer was judged for this gross error before Adam fell

You fail to understand that ADAM was judged for this BEFORE ADAM FELL. Like I said, God creates everyone knowing before they are born what exactly they will do, and He decides before we are even born if we are among the chosen or not. In other words, we dont have a say in where we go. If God creates you knowing that you are not going to be saved, then you WILL NOT BE SAVED. There is no way to counteract God's will, and in that specific case, God's will would be for the person to burn! Again, you have no legitimate argument against that.

"God wants us to worship Him. He doesn't need us, for He couldn't be a self-sufficient God and need anything or anybody, but He wants us. When Adam sinned it was not he who cried, 'God, where art Thou?' It was God who cried, 'Adam, where art thou?'" — Worship: The Missing Jewel, A. W. Tozer

this quote makes God sound like an ignorant moron....If you create something knowing exactly what it will do, and your creation acts exactly as you created it to, WHY WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED ABOUT IT WHEN IT HAPPENS??

That simply makes no sense. If you touch a hot stove, you should know it will burn your hand. If you do it again and expect a different outcome, thats called insanity. Why not give God a little more credit than that??

"I fear that we shall never see another Tozer. Men like him are not college-bred but Spirit-taught." — Why Revival Tarries, Leonard Ravenhill

oh well, there goes the value of your four years of engineering school, I guess....:bigthumb:

trivial minds, lacking wisdom

I'll try to be more thought provoking in the future.


"the secret things belong to God"

don't think you can comprehend all mysteries and paradoxes....you cannot

God only asks that we trust Him fully

So little "green men" land in the nation's capital (your nation, not mine) and begin drafting a peace treaty. Best to ignore this, right?

no

you cannot ascribe tendencies and traits of fallen man to the eternal God

Interesting…

The Bible describes God in many ways, using words like merciful, jealous, etc. Yet this does not refer to human mercy or human jealousy for if it did then it would be fair to label God a narcissist, an addict, etc., as these are also human terms. So God inflicts Godly vengeance upon the wicked and extends Godly mercy to the saved. The question is, if such Godly terms do not hold the same meaning as their human counter-parts, what relevance do they really hold?

only Perfection can fully comprehend and understand Perfection, right?

I Corinthians 13

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

only god is perfect.

anything other than god is not perfect.

either you are wholly perfect or you are not perfect.

"then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."

so that statement is false because perfect knowlege can only be a part of a perfect being, god.

unless he is saying that y'all are going to become EQUAL to god ???

to become exactly as powerful as god in all ways ??

to become Borg ?

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


howcome I remember that as faith hope and charity ?
{all purely HUMAN virtues, not shared by the jealous vengeful wrathful all perfect god ?

With respect to Tozer's quote, what do you think about this?

So little "green men" land in the nation's capital (your nation, not mine) and begin drafting a peace treaty. Best to ignore this, right?

the hard core materialists of our day will be forced to concede the supernatural is real when the Tribulation begins, and stuff like this begins to happen:

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did NOT RECEIVE the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned

so the supernatural stuff we DO see will be satanic deception, just as we say it is now, deception.

I really, really, really fail to see how deception brings glory to the deciever.

Paul is referring to supernatural acts that will be performed during the Tribulation by the antichrist and the false prophet (as well as the myriad of false Christs of that time)

Jesus is popular during the Tribulation! an amazing thought....but they will be false Christs

the same EXACT powers that god gave to jesus to work wonders, he will give to satan for the exact same reason, to bring glory to himself.

and every false christ will say that he stands between you and god and must be worshipped BEFORE god so that HE can get gods attention on your behalf.

what does a TRUE christ {anointed one} do that is different from a false christ ?





satan and all those who believe the Lie will be condemned....the condemnation of evil souls brings God glory

to condemn them he must first create them, everything that is was created in the most minute detail by god personally, and the horribler an evil he creates the greater is his glory when he "overcomes" the evil that he created.

that seems to say that "glory" means something entirely different from what I think it does.

as usual, the premise of your initial statement is wrong, so the entire post is flawed

Satan has his own supernatural power....plenty of it....and I believe he has not used that power to it's full potential, but a glimpse is provided in the book of Job

although Satan and his demons are fallen, they are still mighty angels with a certain dignity and power that belongs only to angelic hosts, they are to be feared and respected

Who created Satan?

Who provided Satan with that power?

Who allows Satan to use that power?

Game, set, match. You lose again.

When I can sit through a magic card trick hosted my my youngest, and it fails, yet I tell her she picked the right card, I indeed exist.

You're supposed to yell "TeH Fail!!!!" at her. Jeez, parenting these days is going right down the shitter.

Satan has his own supernatural power....plenty of it....

did satan create 'his' power from the nothingness ?

no, all of satans power is a GIFT from god, to be used for gods glory.

satans evil powers were created by god, satans evil works are SUSTAINED by god. for gods glory.

the more power god gives satan, the more spectacular is the evil satan can do, so the more glory satan brings to god.

you and jon think alike....what a shocker

I was shocked to realize that you might actually consider that to be a telling arguement.

satan works on a very short leash

aye, he works for god on a short leash, the other end of which leash is firmly held in gods hand.

firmly until he lets go, in the next to final Great Slaughter of Humanity "kill them all, I have already sorted them out."



satan was created by god specifically and solely to work evil against humanity, for the glory of god.

satan was created by god specifically and solely to work evil against humanity, for the glory of god.


doing evil to your family to get a fix is a sign of being a junkie.

god qualifies.

Shucks, and here I thought we had resurrected this gem.

^ Life 1 doesn't tend to work well in boss battles, especially when the boss moves quick or has an attack that hits everyone.

Thats why you gotta make sure your white mage knows Life 2

^ Life 1 doesn't tend to work well in boss battles, especially when the boss moves quick or has an attack that hits everyone.

Thats why you gotta make sure your white mage knows Life 2

Can I get some of whatever he's having?

Can I get some of whatever he's having?

Sure, but you'd have to buy a Super Nintendo and a copy of Final Fantasy 3.

I keep forgetting that to the christian mindset WHO is posting is more important than WHAT they post.

I keep forgetting that to the christian mindset WHO is posting is more important than WHAT they post.

On an internet forum, what you post defines who you are so your statement doesn't apply here.

On an internet forum, what you post defines who you are so your statement doesn't apply here.

Werd, soul brotha.