Poor 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. A very happy girl with a lot of life was apparently murdered and stuffed in a suitcase by a church member.

You see, a Sunday school teacher for a local Baptist church, Melissa Huckaby, was charged with kidnapping and murder in the death of Sandra Cantu. Apparently, Ms huckaby had ran to the Lord for help. In her past, she used to break into commercial buildings and burglarize. Maybe she also had thoughts of murder. Whatever, she was likely told that God can help all and heal all. Well, that help would have been given if indeed there was a God because after all, she did teach the word of the lord and probably gave all she had. Now, not only god failed in healing this woman, but a beautiful child was removed from life as well.

Thanks god. you are doing such a fine job. :asshole:

source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/11/california.girl.arrest/index.html

edit. Happy Easter!

Sums it up:



Sandra was last seen March 27 in the Tracy mobile home park where she lived with her family -- the same mobile home park where Huckaby lives.

Assuming any word from gods lips would have driven the devil from her mind, and keeping in mind the consistent biblical words uttered from her pastor, surely would have produced predictable results and driven the devil out. But this lady in any sense wasn't nothing but real flesh and blood crying for help. And now in her last desperate move, maybe hoping an Angel to stand in the way, she found nothing but her own inner demon forcing her hand.

Now it is Mans turn to remedy this tragedy. Psychological help for the girls loved ones and 240 volts for the lost soul. Yeah, don't worry about it god. We will take it from here, thanks.

Czar is a funny fucker.

Thanks god. you are doing such a fine job.

tell me something....where is it written that God must get every victim out of every bad spot? Where does the Bible say that because God exists, there will be no bad in the world?

This is the same tired, old, and completely ridiculous argument you have posted in the past...and you failed at it then too. Not one of us knows the reasons behind His will in situations like these. That doesnt disprove His existence in any way. Perhaps you should consider the fact that from great suffering can come great triumph.....it really sucks when something like this happens, but using it as an attempt to claim "see, there is no God" is beneath you....youre smarter than that.

There are three kinds of faith.....the first one is easy, most anyone can have it without trying very much. Its the kind of faith a person has when the sun is shining, their world is working right, and they are happy. Anyone can believe in God when life is good.

Then there's the second kind of faith, when the storm clouds are on the horizon. You know hard times are ahead, but for the moment youre still riding high. This one's a little harder--it takes a bit more to praise Him when you know hard times are ahead.

Then, there's the hardest kind of all. When youre already in the thick of the battle. When things suck. When life is hard and getting harder. When you feel like youre one step away from losing everything.....if you can praise Him at that moment and thank Him for delivering you from disaster, then youve got faith that counts for something. The problem I see with you isnt that God suddenly didnt exist anymore, its that your faith didnt exist. God is still there and always has been.....

tell me something....where is it written that God must get every victim out of every bad spot? Where does the Bible say that because God exists, there will be no bad in the world?

This is the same tired, old, and completely ridiculous argument you have posted in the past...and you failed at it then too. Not one of us knows the reasons behind His will in situations like these. That doesnt disprove His existence in any way. Perhaps you should consider the fact that from great suffering can come great triumph.....it really sucks when something like this happens, but using it as an attempt to claim "see, there is no God" is beneath you....youre smarter than that.

There are three kinds of faith.....the first one is easy, most anyone can have it without trying very much. Its the kind of faith a person has when the sun is shining, their world is working right, and they are happy. Anyone can believe in God when life is good.

Then there's the second kind of faith, when the storm clouds are on the horizon. You know hard times are ahead, but for the moment youre still riding high. This one's a little harder--it takes a bit more to praise Him when you know hard times are ahead.

Then, there's the hardest kind of all. When youre already in the thick of the battle. When things suck. When life is hard and getting harder. When you feel like youre one step away from losing everything.....if you can praise Him at that moment and thank Him for delivering you from disaster, then youve got faith that counts for something. The problem I see with you isnt that God suddenly didnt exist anymore, its that your faith didnt exist. God is still there and always has been.....
not post whoring just feel like that was a good post, wish mark could've been more like that with his posts. instead of his die! Die! die! comments or his i'm better then you, or you're gonna burn in hell. anyway....just so you all know...i still like bacon.

looks like the religion section is back on board, boys.

Dear Sky,
You shall not say to anyone that god will help them. What you can say however is maybe God will help you, maybe not. Even if you are His star worshiper. :bowdown:

Therefore, I would feel better if Man would stop herding people with mental problems into the churches, because even if you are dealing with the Most High, there still are no guarantees.

This monster had to have heard that the word is out, that god can heal anything and everything if you simply accept him into your heart, which i believe is the case here, in light of this new info that the lady is a homo pedophile too, that was led to believe that God will help her and she agreed probably in desperation since her condition obviously was in a dangerous level, whom threw herself not only accepting the Lord but had to claw further than most by being a Sunday School teacher, ever reaching for that 'cure' that only a God can bring. Was that all in one sentence?

Why wasn't she worthy of God intervention? Well, indeed she was misled by going to a church or god in the first place. Churches shouldn't be taking on problems like this but direct them to a psychologist. Huckaby would have had a real chance there than what any God or Church in the universe can haphazardly offer.

looks like the religion section is back on board, boys.

Dear Sky,
You shall not say to anyone that god will help them. What you can say however is maybe God will help you, maybe not. Even if you are His star worshiper. :bowdown:

Therefore, I would feel better if Man would stop herding people with mental problems into the churches, because even if you are dealing with the Most High, there still are no guarantees.

First off, you are thinking in way too worldly terms for this to apply. Consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23.....this was a convicted criminal who was sentenced to die by crucifixion. Because of his faith when he spoke to Jesus on the cross, God DID help him--into eternal salvation. the problem here is your thinking--not God. Did Jesus get the man out of being crucified? Did Jesus free him from the jailers? Did Jesus allow him to continue living here on earth? You are stuck in worldly thinking--that if God helps you, it will be in a worldly way, like healing a disease or allowing you to live longer. Dont get me wrong, it can be, but youre trying to limit God, and thats the part youre missing. I dont know what church you attended or what exactly they taught you, but this is NOT a biblical doctrine youre showing, so it leads me to believe that the doctrine you were taught was a false one. This is why I always told you that you should read the Bible, because it is the one truth.


This monster had to have heard that the word is out, that god can heal anything and everything if you simply accept him into your heart, which i believe is the case here, in light of this new info that the lady is a homo pedophile too, that was led to believe that God will help her and she agreed probably in desperation since her condition obviously was in a dangerous level, whom threw herself not only accepting the Lord but had to claw further than most by being a Sunday School teacher, ever reaching for that 'cure' that only a God can bring. Was that all in one sentence?

THAT is what you offer as "proof that God doesnt exist"?? Thats nothing more than a bunch of your assumptions because you dont have the full story! So, you made up probably half of the details as you went along, and then say "here you go, God's a fake"?? And you wonder why no one's buying it?

Like I said, youre smarter than this...


Why wasn't she worthy of God intervention? Well, indeed she was misled by going to a church or god in the first place. Churches shouldn't be taking on problems like this but direct them to a psychologist. Huckaby would have had a real chance there than what any God or Church in the universe can haphazardly offer.

This is the most ridiculous thing you have posted yet in this thread. First, you dont know if she was worthy or not, and this incident does not in any way shed light on that. Read above if you still need clarification from the spoiled doctrine you were apparently taught.

Second, you think that she went to this church where she should have gone to a psychologist? Thats funny....no one who ever knew her has described her as "having mental sickness". She had a couple theft charges. She was divorced. She had to file bankruptcy in 2003. She even battled depression. But none of that adds up to "mental sickness". Now, I agree that killing a child can be considered a "mental sickness", but you really need to stop assuming everything and try using a few facts. She didnt come to the church "for mental help", she went to that church because she was related to the preacher. He's her grandfather. The only facts you got right so far are that she was a sunday school teacher there and that she has been charged with the murder of this girl. Thats it. So, next time you are in such a hurry to bash God for everything you cannot comprehend, at least bring some truth to the table. Fair enough?

Actually no. consider the fact that the thief only talked to a man who lied to him to make him feel better.

ah, Jesus, such a nice guy to the last. A big fat liar, but did good.

I noticed the 'troll' sentences in your second assertion empty reply.

Ridicules? My statements are solid. But it isn't a secret that xtains don't agree with me. Got anything new?

Actually no. consider the fact that the thief only talked to a man who lied to him to make him feel better.

ah, Jesus, such a nice guy to the last. A big fat liar, but did good.

I noticed the 'troll' sentences in your second assertion empty reply.

Ridicules? My statements are solid. But it isn't a secret that xtains don't agree with me. Got anything new?


Your statements are solid, huh?

Please post the proof that she went to this church, and therefore to God, for help with "mental sickness", for starters. When you cant find that one, at least be man enough to admit that your claim was nothing close to solid on that. It was an assumption, plain and simple, and it was a wrong one. They lady had bad credit, was divorced, and stole some things.....none of that adds up anywhere close to some preexisting mental illness that you started this thread falsely claiming.

As for anything new, I offered facts. Thats a whole lot more than you posted over there, chief. so yeah, in your case, I guess that facts are something new.


EDIT, as for the thief on the cross, thats easily handled as well....the thief had no way at all of knowing what Jesus was going to respond with. he didnt speak to Jesus because he knew he would feel better, he spoke to Jesus because he believed. And as I suspect more and more, the reason why you dont believe is because a church somewhere sold you a bad box of doctrine and called it "being christian". I am genuinely sorry for that, there are so many different groups today with so many different doctrines. Just two weeks ago, I was approached by church members from Mississippi who were trying to tell us that listening to christian contemporary music is satanic simply because the guitars and drums sound like "worldly rock songs". They were saying that the style of the music itself, not the content, lyrics or intent, is what made it "music of the antichrist". They then said that the Bible requires believers to never partake in anything--ANYTHING--of the world, such as styles of music, clothes, etc etc etc. This same church was over here handing out pamphlets for their church--with a website on it. They talked about all the research they had done on Youtube looking for videos of these "so-called christian musicians". So, when I asked them why they were spending time in such a worldly pursuit as the internet, and going on a place like youtube, if all "worldly things" were satanic, they had no answer.

The point is this--every different church today thinks they have the one answer. If you listen only to the Bible, thats where the one correct answer is. If you listen to a church's take on the bible, you arent getting the whole story by a mile.

When are we ever going to grow up and stop telling each other to man up and yada yada yada? Petty child bickering. We are older than that, cap.

My stuff is solid chief. i offered facts and a sound scenario to tie it all together. you have yet to offer killer proof to dissolve my solid statements.

In response to your edit, even Jesus didn't know everything.
-"but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36)
besides, the thief knew he was dying, easily forgivable to taking a loaf of bread, not a homosexual pedophile.
Would Jesus have forgave the woman if she uttered those same words of the thief and Jesus knew why she was there?

When are we ever going to grow up and stop telling each other to man up and yada yada yada? Petty child bickering. We are older than that, cap.

One would think that, by now, if you really realize that, you would have done it. Still waiting....and youre still posting baseless assumptions that have been solidly disproven by everyone this lady knows that the press have dug up.


My stuff is solid chief. i offered facts and a sound scenario to tie it all together. you have yet to offer killer proof to dissolve my solid statements.

How much proof would you like? Like, for example, every family member, friend, and acquaintence that this lady had, that the press dug up and spoke to, saying that she NEVER displayed such tendencies or behaviors before? Perhaps you would finally get over yourself and your false assumptions if you read the CNN article that says that when the police identified Huckaby as the suspect under arrest to the little girl's parents, that they were in total shock and disbelief??

You see, for someone to have come to a church for "mental sickness" help, that would entail people at that church actually knowing that there was such an issue. For them to have promised her the things you claimed were "probably promised", this whole deal would have had to be discussed. And yet, not one single person that this lady ever knew can come froward and make a statement even remotely agreeing with your false assumptions. Quite to the contrary, in fact. Read away, here's some "killer proof" that you dont have the first clue what youre talking about.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/11/california.girl.arrest/index.html
--that one shows the little girl's parents being in total disbelief that Huckaby was the suspect.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html#cnnSTCText
--That one shows Huckaby's family in total shock. It also shows an old high school classmate saying this:

The allegations stunned a friend of Huckaby's from high school, Emily Glyer Fontes, according to the Orange County Register. Fontes said she recalled that Huckaby "was almost like a mother" to a baby girl that Huckaby's parents adopted while she was in high school.

"That's why this is so overwhelming to me," Fontes, who said she and Huckaby were on the school's dance team, told the Register. "She was so wonderful with kids -- absolutely amazing. I feel so completely confused and so devastated about this. Everything I knew has been turned upside down."

Just in case you try to whip out, in your next false assumption, that she had a mental condition from early in life....now, shoudl we keep going, or will czar finally find some honesty? Tune in next week....

As for your "sound scenario", its a load of crap. You did nothing but assume preexisting mental illness, make up a storyline that had her coming to that church for "mental help", when in fact she went there because her granddaddy was the preacher, and who knows what else. There wasnt anything "sound" about your scenario--it was little more than your usual bitter anti-God "them pesky christians, they always screw up everything" complex. And thats being rather generous.

In response to your edit, even Jesus didn't know everything.
-"but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36)

This only shows your lack of understanding about Jesus. He was not sent here to "know everything". He was sent here to "do the will of my Father in Heaven". A proper church doctrine would have saved you from such a basic error about christianity......hence, once again, read the Bible.

besides, the thief knew he was dying, easily forgivable to taking a loaf of bread, not a homosexual pedophile.

You actually think that they crucified people for stealing a loaf of bread? Crucifixion was reserved as the most severe punishment, so much so that no matter what a Roman citizen had done to break the law, they were not allowed to be crucified. In such a case, a "more noble" method, like chopping off their head, was used. Crucifixion was the most severe, the longest, the most painful way they could think of to kill someone. Dont liken those thieves to "someone who stole a loaf of bread". Like we keep going back to, if you knew proper biblical doctrine, you wouldnt keep getting these things wrong.

Would Jesus have forgave the woman if she uttered those same words of the thief and Jesus knew why she was there?

Once more, the Bible is your friend. For example, in the Old Testament, God assigned different punishments for different crimes. A thief would be required to repay what he stole. Someone committing a homosexual act was to be killed. And, the thief was such a hardened criminal that he was being put to death--the same level of severity that this woman would be facing had she lived in that time. I dont recall anything in that scripture that said that Jesus would only forgive the man because he was a thief and not a homosexual......he was criminal enough to be sentenced to die the absolute worst, most disrespectful, most painful way they could come up with---in other words, YES. There's the answer to your question.

wow, all that and nothing to dissolve my solid statements. Why not wait a day and let it all soak in?

maybe a third party is needed. anyone care to suffer through all that and find something, anything that sky proves my solid statement has no leg to stand on?

if youre not going to handle this with any maturity, then dont handle it at all. Simply move along. I dont care how much you want to play make-believe.....the proof that you couldnt even get the basic details correct is there. You apparently seem to think that a CNN article only constitutes "proof" when you post it.

Kindly move along if thats all you got. Youre not winning anything. Youre not convincing anyone that youre right. Youre so stuck on your fake-all-day assumptions that you cant see the obvious mistakes youve made. And if this kind of debate is what I was looking for, I would have followed mark to his next forum and had it there.

If you cant be even basically honest, dont waste my time.

I believe i called it first. but if you wish to further the cute childish attacks like 'be a man' and 'do this and do that' and 'I'm all about maturity', you are wasting your mind, never mind everyone's time

A great anology that is relivant to my solid statements!
"Folks losing homes dial 1-800; no one answers"

"Every report says the banks are helping, and everything on the radio says they're helping," Cavallari said. "You call and call and call; you're not getting a voice. You're getting a recording."

should really say: "Every church says god is helping, and everything on the radio says they're helping," Cavallari said. "You pray and pray and pray; you're not getting results. Instead you're getting shit."


source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/04/15/foreclosure.phones/index.html

Not every church says "God is helping."

Those that actually read the bible won't say such nonsense.

God is so much more then a device to allow us to live out our vain and petty lives in this fallen world.

lol pretty good! Hmmmm in only three short sentences too!

But I'm dispelling illusions of what church can or can not do. For example, you should see the billboard signs in Phoenix about how church can cure homosexuals. That ticks me off. and it sounds like you would be ticked off too.
Anyway, if you were made wrong, like right at birth or whatever, you will have to suffer through life because no one will or can help. not even God.

I believe i called it first. but if you wish to further the cute childish attacks like 'be a man' and 'do this and do that' and 'I'm all about maturity', you are wasting your mind, never mind everyone's time

No one tried to "further the attacks", chief--the truth of the matter is that I called you out about honesty because you need to learn how to be honest. Nothing you said was a "solid statement". So, since you are so dead-set on riding this one through, let's start there....with your so-called "solid" statements.

You see, a Sunday school teacher for a local Baptist church, Melissa Huckaby, was charged with kidnapping and murder in the death of Sandra Cantu. Apparently, Ms huckaby had ran to the Lord for help.

She didnt "run to the Lord for help", as already shown, she attended the church that her grandfather was the preacher for. your "solid statement" here was one that tried to paint a picture of a desperate mentally ill woman, seeking help from the church......when the fact is that she went there because her granddaddy was the preacher. So much for that "solid" revelation.

In her past, she used to break into commercial buildings and burglarize. Maybe she also had thoughts of murder

Again, youre so far into the land of make-believe. I happen to know something about this field, actually, since I have studied criminal justice and worked professionally in the field. There is a simple fact here--the overwhelming vast majority of thieves are not murderers, do not try to kill someone, dont have homicidal thoughts. Robbing a store is a VERY far hitch from murder, czar. Your "solid" attempt to paint her as one of that very small minority was completely baseless. I proved that with the CNN info about everyone who ever knew her that spoke with the press, even the murdered girl's parents were shocked at her arrest!

Whatever, she was likely told that God can help all and heal all.

again, that was based completely on your spinning tale. it had no basis in the reality of the situation. Since you are apparently more concerned with spinning tall tales than you are in the facts, it becomes rather easy to see why I question you about honesty. If thats a source of discomfort for you, I am truly sorry.....but I just call it as I see it. It was not meant to continue some mud war--it was genuine. I meant it when I said to simply move along if you couldnt consider the facts here. All you did was try to blame God for a scenario that YOU invented, that didnt even take place, and that you still are for some odd reason insisting was "solid". Good call.....:bigthumb:

lol pretty good! Hmmmm in only three short sentences too!

But I'm dispelling illusions of what church can or can not do. For example, you should see the billboard signs in Phoenix about how church can cure homosexuals. That ticks me off. and it sounds like you would be ticked off too.
Anyway, if you were made wrong, like right at birth or whatever, you will have to suffer through life because no one will or can help. not even God.

Why do you believe homosexuality is incurable?

Homosexuality isn't a disease to be cured. Some people are simply born like that and nothing can change how they feel.

Homosexuality isn't a disease to be cured. Some people are simply born like that and nothing can change how they feel.

http://www.theforumlounge.com/homosexuality-isnt-disease-t13733.html?p=231019#post231019

It appears that the murderer wasn't a Sunday school teacher after all

lulz this section always makes me laugh.....for a while then I just get sick of it and go back to CRSX!?!