Just thought it would be interesting to see which one you guys think will be better, gameplay-wise. Not sure how many "gamers" there are here, but with Halo 2 on Nov. 8th and Half-Life 2 on Nov. 16th, it seems like a good question to me.

*I do realize that both games differ heavily as far as design and engine, etc, but it's still easy to say which one you like better :D

As for me, I'm more of a Halo fan, I just despise Half-Life.....

I use to love Half Life, until 2I got an Xbox and started playing Halo.

Half Life and Halo 2 will be a close race for the better game, but I think MS will be on top.

I agree

A lot of the people that I've been playing Half-Life and its mods with for years are slightly disenfranchised with Valve for fucking so many people over. After that Condition Zero crap, I will never pay for a Valve title ever again. Halo was the first sci-fi game that caught my attention in a long time. But I'm a game nerd so

i dont have a XBOX or anything, but HALO fuggin rules....about every 2-3 nights, we setup 4 TVs/4 XBOXs and in friends garage all facing each direction..and we play all night...

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i dont have a XBOX or anything, but HALO fuggin rules....about every 2-3 nights, we setup 4 TVs/4 XBOXs and in friends garage all facing each direction..and we play all night...

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I've been doing that on a regular now. At least 4 times a week. I'm modding my Xbox now to have a 160GB Hard Drive and Linux, so that should make my Halo 2 experience even better once I get more maps for the game.

I agree

A lot of the people that I've been playing Half-Life and its mods with for years are slightly disenfranchised with Valve for fucking so many people over. After that Condition Zero crap, I will never pay for a Valve title ever again. Halo was the first sci-fi game that caught my attention in a long time. But I'm a game nerd so

What Condition Zero crap?

We won't know which one will be better until they're both out...but I've gotta say, I hated Halo. A console shooter with a fairly generic story...kinda like Far Cry, but at least Far Cry was on PC. Granted, Halo came to PC later on...but thats its only saving grace.

The original Half Life was an awsome game. And from what all of the magazines say, Half Life 2 is a worthy sucessor. I can imagine Halo 2 out-selling Half Life 2 because X-Box is cheaper than a computer than can run Half Life 2...but I believe Half Life 2 will be the better game. From the standpoint of story, Half Life 1 was much better than Halo 1.

The first Half Life was better, in a sense.

But Halo only did what the Japanese have been doing with the car industry. Take it and make it better than everyone else.

Halo is just like Unreal Tournament, Half Life, and the like. Halo just did it better and had a console to back it up, instead of a high power computer.

Half Life is for the computer guys, and indeed I was a big fan. But since i've defected to Halo, I doubt i'll ever go back to Half Life.

Long Live Halo for many console generations to come.

The first Half Life was better, in a sense.

But Halo only did what the Japanese have been doing with the car industry. Take it and make it better than everyone else.

Halo is just like Unreal Tournament, Half Life, and the like. Halo just did it better and had a console to back it up, instead of a high power computer.

Half Life is for the computer guys, and indeed I was a big fan. But since i've defected to Halo, I doubt i'll ever go back to Half Life.

Long Live Halo for many console generations to come.

I don't see whats better about Halo. I've played it the entire way thru and it didn't seem like anything special to me. Infact, me and a friend of mine walked out of Blockbuster (after we rented it) saying "Whats the fuss all about?"

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: First Person Shooters don't belong on consoles with a joystick.

Long live the mouse!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: First Person Shooters don't belong on consoles with a joystick.

Long live the mouse!


Roger that.

I dunno though, I've just never been a fan of Half-Life at all

the only reason I bought it was to play Day of Defeat waaaaayy back in the beta days

Also, Halo kept me up for 2-3 days playing repeatedly

HL made me wanna light my computer on fire, and I thought HL was easier

Roger that.

I dunno though, I've just never been a fan of Half-Life at all

the only reason I bought it was to play Day of Defeat waaaaayy back in the beta days

Also, Halo kept me up for 2-3 days playing repeatedly

HL made me wanna light my computer on fire, and I thought HL was easier

Well, its not for everybody. Nothing ever made is perfect for every single person in the world. Except water...

Anyway, I really enjoyed Half Life, but disliked Halo.

You disliked Half Life, but enjoyed Halo.

Difference of opinion, thats all.

My problem nowadays is more with how Gabe Newell is running his company, because it just seems painfully obvious that he does not give a damn about the people who play these games.

But yeah, to each his own, 'tis only a game.

The single player experience of half life was amazing and hasnt been rivaled yet. the scripted events, the sound effects, the storyline, the graphics in its day, was all great. I am looking forward to half life 2 greatly. halo was a great multiplayer game, like previously mentioned, so i think it is in a different class. the singleplayer missions were fun, but nothing new. half life's singleplayer missions were just groundbreaking. well see how they are when there both out. im just waiting to get a copy of rome total war right now.

im just waiting to get a copy of rome total war right now.

You won't be disappointed with that one. It's nothing short of "fucking spectacular".

I bet, my friends lending it to me this weekend. i played the hell out of medieval, and i played the demo of rome and was blown away. something about seeing 100,000 arrows flying at once and elephants throwing people 20 feet up into the air gets me going.

Shogun, the original, is very good also, if you haven't played it

My problem nowadays is more with how Gabe Newell is running his company, because it just seems painfully obvious that he does not give a damn about the people who play these games.

But yeah, to each his own, 'tis only a game.

Give me an example or two.

Example #1: Counter-Strike: Condition Zero

It started out as a single player version of Counter-Strike about 3 years ago. I'm not sure who the original developer of the game was (it may have been Valve, but I'm really not sure), but it was supposed to be a single-player only game, much like Rainbow Six as far as the tactical shooter genre goes, just Counter-Strike style. (I'll see if I can find any video/articles just to help make my case :P). The project was scrapped to to put more funding into Half-Life 2, which had already been in development since the completion of Half-Life. About a year later, the project was assigned to Ritual Entertainment, who kept with the single-player theme. Okay, that's fine, a year behind to move the project to a different developer. Then they came up with the idea for CS on the XBox, which is fine and dandy too. Turtle Rock Studios was assigned that from the get-go as far as I know. After the theft of the HL2 source code, funding was again pulled from Condition Zero, supposedly only delaying it by 2 or 3 months. Last winter when stores started carrying the pre-order package for the game (after the release of CS:X), the project was taken from Ritual, and Turtle Rock was assigned the game, which is fine too. Turtle Rock did a great job on CS:X as far as I'm concerned. What pissed me off, was when the game was finally released, it was not the same game that I payed for. It was more or less the same as the Xbox version, with slightly higher grade textures. None of the new weapons/modifications that were advertised were included in the game. This includes vehicles in the multiplayer aspect of the game. Not to mention the fact that the "new maps" that were advertised weren't included in the final multiplayer package, and weren't added until later versions of the game. I'm sorry, but shelling out $30 ($50 if you didnt happen to buy it within the first week or so of release) for essentially the same game with newer textures and nothing else is a bit of a ripoff as far as I'm concerned. I can make my own custom textures, so that was nothing to be excited about in my opinion. That's as much as I can get out coherently right now, and it may not matter to you, or make any sense b/c of my silly silly thought process. However, from playing the game since way before the retail days, I think it's pretty shitty to advertise one product, and release another that is nothing like said advertisement.

Also, the Ritual Version, now called Condition Zero: Deleted Scenes, was made available as an additional download, but was buggy as hell, not to mention incomlete. I wonder if they ever payed Ritual for their work, that they scrapped, then released anyway

I like Urban Terror didnt really get into the whole xbox deal. Motor City Online was decent played it for a while then they introduced new model cars right before EA cancelled the game.

I'm back to being obsessed with Desert Combat for the moment, although I have to say the final version is a step down from the 3rd party beta, which is usually the case in situations like that.

Counter-Strike can wait, i co-own 2 servers, and it's nice to take breaks every now and then after 4 years of playing

Desert combat is awsome. ive gotten pretty good with the helicopters now.

You are a better man than I, I can't fly them things worth a damn. I'm quite good a running enemy troops over in a humvee though.

im confused...how are you ppl still interested in getting all these new games? i honestly thought it all ended after around middle school...it did for me...i never went past a Sega....i had NES, then SNES, then Sega...dad got playstation1 when it first came out, but i never played it...now its my little 5yr old bro..he plays it alot...games dont appeal to me...other than playing Halo once a week at my buddies house....gosh, i wonder how much $ you ppl spend on video games...i dont see how yall find time btwn, working, school, and normal life...and the $ to support the hobby...video games died out A LONG TIME AGO, and i was thinking to myself a few weeks ago while at Walmart,"who the hell still buys all these damn games and systems"...it seems ancient to me..so long ago when i was the least bit interested in them....

but damn...we have more nerds on the board than i thought.. :rolleyes: ;)

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I have no problem admitting to being a nerd
But keep in mind, I live in a very very cold place 6 months out of the year, and I would rather spend that time inside than out in 6+ feet of snow, in sub zero weather

Not to mention the fact that I try to stay away from hard drugs as much as possible these days, which is very hard to do here. In a year of living here, I have met maybe 2 people that don't do crack and/or cocaine on a regular basis, and that's something i would prefer to stay clean of, now that i finally cleaned myself up

Example #1: Counter-Strike: Condition Zero

It started out as a single player version of Counter-Strike about 3 years ago. I'm not sure who the original developer of the game was (it may have been Valve, but I'm really not sure).......

Thats exactly it, your not sure. It wasn't a Valve project at that point. Valve took all of the peices and threw them together. The last true Valve project before Half Life2 was Blue shift, which was an excellent extention to the game.

Your arguement holds no ground. You pre-paid for a game that you didn't know the final specs for yet. I don't see how thats Valve trying to screw over the customer...expecially concidering that Valve didn't even have their hands on it until earlier this year.

Everything you've just said has been the fault of Vivendi, with their buying and selling of the rights to the software, and not giving the project to Valve in the first place.

I have no problem admitting to being a nerd
But keep in mind, I live in a very very cold place 6 months out of the year, and I would rather spend that time inside than out in 6+ feet of snow, in sub zero weather

Not to mention the fact that I try to stay away from hard drugs as much as possible these days, which is very hard to do here. In a year of living here, I have met maybe 2 people that don't do crack and/or cocaine on a regular basis, and that's something i would prefer to stay clean of, now that i finally cleaned myself up

Wow, winter is so much fun up north and you just hide away. It really sounds like you should move down here.

A little background: I lived in Maine for 10 years, and Mass. for 5 years. I've been in negative degree weather and 6 feet of snow, I know where your coming from...but we did stuff in the winter. We went skiing, snowmobiling and ice fishing. We made some pretty cool paths for sledding during the summer and made some great ramps in the winter. I really used to enjoy winter when we had snow.

Your arguement holds no ground. You pre-paid for a game that you didn't know the final specs for yet. I don't see how thats Valve trying to screw over the customer...expecially concidering that Valve didn't even have their hands on it until earlier this year.



I will ship you my pre-ordered box of Condition Zero if you require it, it is NOT the same as the Condition Zero on my computer, and was not advertised as being changed at all until the last minute. My argument is still valid, regardless of what you think, seeing as how paying $30-$50 (it really doesn't matter) for exactly the same thing as Counter-Strike 1.6, but with updated textures. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing the Ritual Deleted Scenes every now and then, but had I been aware that the game was going to be CS 1.6 but "updated" I would not have bought the game, seeing as how when I got Counter-Strike years ago, it was free. I don't see how you can back up an obvious fuck-over, because it seems like you're one of very few people that think CZ was worth the money. Anyway, I believe you're the one that said earlier that "it's a game, and not worth arguing over", and end my argument with that. I'm not gonna start flaming on Chris's forums over a game, I'll leave that to the myg0t assholes.

*More editing: Half-Life, Counter-Strike, and any related titles are VALVE GAMES, just because they may not develop them, doesn't mean they don't have a hand in how they are made and what goes in. My view on Valve is this: They have completely screwed up Counter-Strike as a game, and Day of Defeat sufffered the same fate once they bought it. Once both games went retail, so many changes were made that it almost became a different game anyway.



Wow, winter is so much fun up north and you just hide away. It really sounds like you should move down here.



I should have mentioned that fact that I lived in Spartanburg for 18 of my 20 years, and it does take some getting used to the weather. Last winter was a bit of a shock for me, seeing as how I can't remember ever seeing more than a foot of snow for longer than a day or two. And I'm not hiding away, unless you consider not putting myself in situations where I would probably do things that I don't need to be doing anymore. Just because I spend time at home playin games, doesn't mean I don't do ANYTHING. I quite enjoy going to New England to see the metal bands there, it's quite a different scene than in Upstate SC.

I will ship you my pre-ordered box of Condition Zero if you require it, it is NOT the same as the Condition Zero on my computer, and was not advertised as being changed at all until the last minute. My argument is still valid, regardless of what you think, seeing as how paying $30-$50 (it really doesn't matter) for exactly the same thing as Counter-Strike 1.6, but with updated textures. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing the Ritual Deleted Scenes every now and then, but had I been aware that the game was going to be CS 1.6 but "updated" I would not have bought the game, seeing as how when I got Counter-Strike years ago, it was free. I don't see how you can back up an obvious fuck-over, because it seems like you're one of very few people that think CZ was worth the money. Anyway, I believe you're the one that said earlier that "it's a game, and not worth arguing over", and end my argument with that. I'm not gonna start flaming on Chris's forums over a game, I'll leave that to the myg0t assholes.

*More editing: Half-Life, Counter-Strike, and any related titles are VALVE GAMES, just because they may not develop them, doesn't mean they don't have a hand in how they are made and what goes in. My view on Valve is this: They have completely screwed up Counter-Strike as a game, and Day of Defeat sufffered the same fate once they bought it. Once both games went retail, so many changes were made that it almost became a different game anyway.

First things first, let me state that I was not saying Condition Zero was worth the money. Counter-strike was originally and should always be free...but Vivendi messed that.

Counter-strike was in no way shape or form Valve's responsibility until Vivendi bought the rights to it and dropped it on Valve. Valve was in the middle of developing Half Life 2 and they had a project dropped on their lap that probably wasn't in everyone's scope of interest. Vivendi is also the reason why they charged $30-50 for Condition Zero. Remember when Blue Shift came out? It was only $20...thats the way Valve does things.

If anything, you can blame Condition Zero for delaying Half Life 2 so long. It certenly didn't help.




I should have mentioned that fact that I lived in Spartanburg for 18 of my 20 years, and it does take some getting used to the weather. Last winter was a bit of a shock for me, seeing as how I can't remember ever seeing more than a foot of snow for longer than a day or two. And I'm not hiding away, unless you consider not putting myself in situations where I would probably do things that I don't need to be doing anymore. Just because I spend time at home playin games, doesn't mean I don't do ANYTHING. I quite enjoy going to New England to see the metal bands there, it's quite a different scene than in Upstate SC.

Fair enough. I enjoyed my time up north, and I plan on returning sometime in the future, but my family and friends are down here. Sorry about my comment about being shut in, but your previous post really made it sound like you did nothing in the winter.

EDIT: Just a correction:
Anyway, I believe you're the one that said earlier that "it's a game, and not worth arguing over", and end my argument with that.

Actually, you said that.

well, forgive me, lack of sleep > me

Not to mention the fact that I try to stay away from hard drugs as much as possible these days, which is very hard to do here.

very hard huh? why? cause its the environment there? still...why dont people weigh the advantages and disadvantages and see which is more...damn..pretty simple plan...common sense is stronger than anything you could ever be surrounded by..be smart...its pretty fuggin easy....need help? give me a call...i can help... :rolleyes:

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damn guys, you are stating the most insignificant and considerably waste of breath statements on these games...half of the words used in yall's descriptions seemed made up...oh yeah, video game lingo...excuse me..i forget sometimes.. :dunno:

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very hard huh? why? cause its the environment there? still...why dont people weigh the advantages and disadvantages and see which is more...damn..pretty simple plan...common sense is stronger than anything you could ever be surrounded by..be smart...its pretty fuggin easy....need help? give me a call...i can help... :rolleyes:

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I have had problems with them in the past, and once an addict, always an addict, and like i said, pretty much everyone i know here does them, so it's stay at home, or go tempt the living hell outta myself

I'd rather do the easy thing and keep myself separated as much as possible from those types of situations, and unfortunately it costs a good bit of money for me to get to new england to see my friends that are actually clean, so i just keep to myself a lot, rather than risk doing something stupid. As far as why people don't weigh the advantages and disadvatanges, that's the question of the ages. sadly, cocaine use (amongst other drugs) is getting easier to come by, and more acceptable to use. i think back and regret using it, it causes lots of bad things to happen. i've seen too many people's lived get wrecked by it (including family and friends) so i just do the safe thing and keep away. enough ranting from me. bedtime i think.

I have had problems with them in the past, and once an addict, always an addict, and like i said, pretty much everyone i know here does them, so it's stay at home, or go tempt the living hell outta myself

I'd rather do the easy thing and keep myself separated as much as possible from those types of situations, and unfortunately it costs a good bit of money for me to get to new england to see my friends that are actually clean, so i just keep to myself a lot, rather than risk doing something stupid. As far as why people don't weigh the advantages and disadvatanges, that's the question of the ages. sadly, cocaine use (amongst other drugs) is getting easier to come by, and more acceptable to use. i think back and regret using it, it causes lots of bad things to happen. i've seen too many people's lived get wrecked by it (including family and friends) so i just do the safe thing and keep away. enough ranting from me. bedtime i think.

you knew b4 you did it that it cause lots of bad things to happen...so why did you touch it? oh yeah, you are surrounded by it...

drugs/alcohol = nothing/waste of time/negative energy/pointless/nothing positive comes from it/

oh yeah, for the ppl that say "i need a cold beer"..you belong in a trailer cause that is redneck trash...

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Pretty ignorant statement

thanks....i try.....if you disagree with my previous statements, i completely understand...we cant all be right...:)


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