http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/08/23/earth.diamonds.reut/index.html

"oft parroted liberal thing to display and false actuations of biblical moses whom took a shit on mount poop while waiting for orders from make believe stone chipper."

YZF likely to say

"Radioactive dating showed the crystals from Western Australia varied in age from 3.06 billion to 4.25 billion years"

Of course, you ignore genetic marker evidence that proves the human race has gone through several iterations in 142,000 years, based on fixed Y chromisome alterations that are as time-stable as isotope decay. But you just keep hammering @ C14 and ignore all other date methods that prove you wrong, m'kay?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i2/radiometric.asp


Now now skidMArk, you cant quote these guys anymore or that would make you a HYPOCRITE!

It's not an assertion, it's scientific fact. Because the Y chromisome only gives up a small part of its information from generation to generation at its tips, 99.99% of the genetic material is identical in all males. The remaining .01% has undergone changes over time, each generation as years on the timeline.

The differences, the markers, are the record of our spread across the planet and of our divergence into separate types, such as asians, blacks, etc. and are catalogued by group; M168, east african, M173, central european, M3, North American indian, and so forth - and when, chronologically, they diverged from their predecessor.

In order for the divergence - which is mapped genetically with a firm understanding and proof; not an assertion, supposition, or any other scoffing remark you might choose to pull out of your ass - to occur, time must transpire. M168, certain africans, have markers that show they've stayed relatively unchanged for 50,000 years. The most recent discernable one is 800 years old, from when a certain Gengis Khan and his horde spread their genes among the populations of asia and europe, the traces of which can still be detected.

In order for it to occur over the 5,000 years you claim the earth has existed, each generation of human would reach sexual maturity in months or even weeks, which we know from our own experience is patently false.

Look it up.

I guess it must be true then :rolleyes:

of course, 99% of people don't have the slightest clue about the assumptions inherent in radiometric dating, they just accept it, based on...you guessed it...faith

Then again, it can likewise be said with the same degree of truth that 99% of the people who dispute such claims dont have the slightest clue about the assumptions inherent in radiometric dating, they just dispute it, based on...you guessed it...faith....

But to that, one must also add that those people also quote sources like AiG as proof, which is a bad idea since AiG has been disproven plenty of times with the things they post up on their website...blind faith is not only found on the opposite side from the one you are on, Mark...you would be wise to remember that.

this is just more uniformitarianism, which is at the heart of all evolutionary speculations

No, it isn't. The timeline is based on a generation of humans - you know, reaching at least your teens before fathering children. like I said, LOOK IT UP before talking out of your ass.

"certain markers"? like what? how does anyone know for a fact anything has been "relatively unchanged for 50,000 years"?? I just laugh at the dogmatic religious nature of these statements!
Of course you do - because you have no other refutement. It's hard science, well-understood chemical changes to Y chromisomes, ZERO speculation - but rather than educate yourself about it, you buffingly laugh it off like the ignorant jackass you choose to be, since it doesn't fit the age you want the world to be.

How about you pick up a fucking BOOK for a change - not everything can be learned through a google search, as they're usually oversimplified "news" versions. Start by reading the papers of Spencer Wells.

no, it's speculation


Says the guy that hasn't even looked into it yet - I knew you were going to just declare it speculation before you had anything approaching a clue about how it worked.

You can lead a YEC to knowledge, but you can't make him think...

No effort to comprehend the argument before scoffing at it?

lol

if your argument was such "iron clad" science, there would be a myriad of publications supporting it...there aren't

and you know this how? I don't see you trotting off to the library, even though I told you where to start. Just puking out your usual "it's all lies!" crap.

For fuck's sake, YZF.

We've been over this at least a dozen times.

If radioactive decay rates have slowed enough to allow for a 6000 year old Earth, the energy expended would be great enough to melt the planet long before your sorry ass was even born, let alone develop the ability to troll message boards 24/7.

That doesn't even begin to take into account the countless other problems with a young Earth theory. Remember Al26?

I do, YZF.

I do.

Now be a good boy and shut the fuck up already.

more baseless speculation

you'll go to your grave with faith in radioisotope dating, "boy"

and then you'll be humbled

I don't have 'faith' in radio-isotope dating.

I believe in the scientific method, YZF. It produces results that are consistently and agressively challenged by the scientific community. It's a put-up-or-shut-up world where nothing is taken for granted.

There's a reason that young-Earth 'researchers' don't publish their research in the scholarly press. It's not because of the eeevil Darwinists and their censorship, but because it wouldn't pass fucking muster.

It's way easier to publish in the lay press and have chuckleheads like yourself swallow their load like a good little whore. It also makes them far more money than honest scientific research ever will, which is the main reason they do it.

You've been swindled, YZF.

How does it feel to be such a fucking dupe?

sure you do...it's the only reason you can't believe the Bible, apparently

and the fact you're likely gay

:lol:

Not that shit again. Has it ever occured to you that perhaps you might have some sexuality issues of your own? You seem to toss the 'gay' card around alot as if you were defensive about something.

Open up, Mark. It's ok if you dig guys. Myself, I'm quite happy with my new girlfriend, and she's quite happy with me.

again, the scientific method has NOTHING to do with the topic of origins...not observable, testable, or repeatable

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand. What a fucking surprise, YZF is trying to change the subject. :rolleyes:

The scientific method has everything to do with radioactive dating and the myriad of other ways that we have disovered to determine the age of this planet and the universe around us. Your problem has always been that you're too fucking stupid to tell the difference between 'how' and 'why.'

nope, it's because the secular press is overwhelmingly biased in favor of the long age darwinist paradigm...and this has been proven many times

When? Let's see some sources, jackass. The simple fact is that the entire Creationst movement, from young-Earthers right on up to Intelligent Design is about making money for the hucksters that promote thier ridiculous theories. I'm sure they're quite grateful for your likely substantial contributions over the years.

how does it feel to be on the road to hell, without a prayer, because you mock God?

When did I do that? Link please.

You're not God, Marky. I'll mock you all the fucking day long, and your wacked-out perception of spirtuality, but that doesn't equal mocking God. Not by a long shot.

Between the two of us, who's doing the Devil's work? Who's abrasive, violent and abusive manner has turned people away from Christianity?

It sure ain't mine, asshat.

What happened to all the heat, YZF?

Radioactive decay results in a loss of energy, which produces heat. That's why plutonium is warm to the touch. Now, if decay rates were fast enough for your compressed 6000 year time-frame, the energy release would be enormous.

http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/adam.htm

Additionally, we can observe distant stellar phenomena and conclude that decay rates were not significantly different in the past:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/9712212

One paritcular sticking point that you never really dealt with is Al26:

Finally, to add insult to injury, we find compelling evidence that some of the short-lived nuclides really did exist in our solar system once upon a time! Take aluminum-26, for example, which has a half-life of 716,000 years.

The fact that our solar system lacks aluminum-26 suggests that it is at least 15 million years old. That's about how long it would take for all the aluminum-26 to decay away. Mother Nature certainly knows how to make it; there's no problem in that department. With the help of the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, which was placed into orbit in 1991 by the space shuttle Atlantis, we now know that our galaxy is full of aluminum-26 (Gehrels et al, 1993). Most of it lies along the galactic plane as would be expected if it were produced by supernovae from time to time.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html

I could go on.

That's a funny, considering that you do nothing but make assertions about events you didn't witness.

hahaha

but God did witness them...that's the point

That I'll grant you.

But you're not Him, you haven't had discussions with Him and you're not on His fucking speed-dial.

So don't speak with His authority.

The only way that us mere mortals can comprehend the universe is through the rules and structure that presents itself through natural law. That natural law contradicts in every way the idea of a 6000 year old Earth.

So which is it, is our understanding arrogant in it's meaningfulness, or its brevity? Pithy is such a slippery word when you're attempting sarcasm.

That it is.

our understanding is arrogant considering it's finite scope

we're insects...the earth is a dot in an unspeakably vast cosmic black


I can't wait till they find proof of life on other planets to shut you the fuck up.

but how do you explain the creatures you lay on your bed?

You're such a fucking good Christian, YZF.

Thumbs up, buddy!

Pagan?

Again, since when? Let's see some evidence, please.

thumbs down, jerk
If only I had a picture of kip dynamite giving the thumbs down...

http://www.rotorhead.ca/temp/commodimark.jpg

:)

thumbs down is commonly used by me whenever riced out Civics get anywhere near the FD

I just ignored them... that made them absolutely furious that they couldn't get my attention. Treat them for what they are, nothing.

I always liked the rednecks... "IS THAT AN RX7?" Nope, it's a ford probe... I just put the rx7 emblems on the back for no reason.

it's hard to ignore some twit who gets about two inches from your rear bumper and starts revving his engine like the "DK"'s goofy chinese sidekick in "Tokyo Drift"

that's when they get a blast of rotary fury, a nice shot of flame, and an extended thumbs down as they disappear in the rear-view

have I mentioned I enjoy my car? :)
lol I would have loved to see that. Manntis...have your writers put that in their movies.

it's hard to ignore some twit who gets about two inches from your rear bumper and starts revving his engine like the "DK"'s goofy chinese sidekick in "Tokyo Drift"

that's when they get a blast of rotary fury, a nice shot of flame, and an extended thumbs down as they disappear in the rear-view

have I mentioned I enjoy my car? :)
In my experience it really pissed them off to the extreme if I pretended that I didn't even see them. Don't respond to anything they do, and whatever you do, don't look at them and they get raged to the extreme. Seriously, showing any sign that you notice them is what they want... if being noticed wasn't the core of a ricer they wouldn't try to be flashy, bright, and loud.

Of course a couple of times I've been the guy trying to fight people in traffic if someone did something extremely dumb. People are a bit more intimidated of being in a crash with something that weighs twice as much as their car so I don't get that shit in my car now.

what were you driving?
FD.

they seem to gravitate to FDs, I've never had them pay attention to me in other vehicles, same goes for my buddy in his WS6

must be the "Fast and Furious" schtick
They do it to domestics here too... especially if the import is turbo'd. I wish the talon/eclipse/240 guys would realize just because you have 400 hp in your import that doesn't mean you're not going to get your ass handed to you by a 400hp domestic... it's this little thing called torque. It's pretty essential in racing.

High speed rolls in Va... HA. If you can go from a 20-100 dig and not have the cops called on you by other people or have one of the million cops present you're doing something. Doesn't matter to me though, I didn't/don't race.

VA sucks

some of the girls there are pretty cute, tho
Lol... I can't get any though ;)

FD.


They do it to domestics here too... especially if the import is turbo'd. I wish the talon/eclipse/240 guys would realize just because you have 400 hp in your import that doesn't mean you're not going to get your ass handed to you by a 400hp domestic... it's this little thing called torque. It's pretty essential in racing.


Well . . . sorry to be nitpicky but HP is a calculation based on torque, and the "next biggest" factor in two 400HP cars racing is the weight of the vehicle. HP is basically actual work output over time, unlike torque.

Thats why you can have an engine with 600ft/lbs of torque and it only makes a few hundred HP at some low RPM. Raise the RPM to take advantage of gearing, and with the same torque output you're putting out a higher HP, and the car is accelerating a whole lot faster.

I think the reason for the "400hp domestic" winning is that the domestic probably measured the HP at the wheels while the import calculated/guessed/lied about the HP at the engine. (RWHP vs BHP)

But HP vs Weight is the basic calculation you sit down with when you're trying to determine what quarter mile times to expect. </nitpick>

Well . . . sorry to be nitpicky but HP is a calculation based on torque, and the "next biggest" factor in two 400HP cars racing is the weight of the vehicle. HP is basically actual work output over time, unlike torque.

Thats why you can have an engine with 600ft/lbs of torque and it only makes a few hundred HP at some low RPM. Raise the RPM to take advantage of gearing, and with the same torque output you're putting out a higher HP, and the car is accelerating a whole lot faster.

I think the reason for the "400hp domestic" winning is that the domestic probably measured the HP at the wheels while the import calculated/guessed/lied about the HP at the engine. (RWHP vs BHP)

But HP vs Weight is the basic calculation you sit down with when you're trying to determine what quarter mile times to expect. </nitpick>

Except, not really. A 400hp civic for example is not going to make any torque/low end power, so while they're waiting for their 400hp at 8000rpms, the domestic has already hit 2 or 3 gears (because the torque is there to move them along) and they're out.