So my wife is watching this hazing show this morning. And some of these people are just whining. One kid his dad was a fighter pilot and he said, "I understand all about hazing. You use hazing when you are training warriors to go into battle and possibly die. In high school and college you arent preparing warriors."

While literally it means they arent, but isnt that where the majority of our recruits come from? While I agree some hazing is ok, the majority of it is retarded. Anyone here ever done an ordance kiss?

Personally, I think things are just getting softer and softer and softer. I think we've gone from one extreme to another in pretty much everything, and this topic is one of many where that's true. Some "hazing" is acceptable, some is not. The problem is, humans have a cruel streak, things get taken too far, and then next thing you know, it all gets taken away (not to beat a dead horse, but kinda like "The Lounge"...)

Same thing with parents spanking their kids. Personally, I was spanked if I was a wise ass, I'm no worse for the wear... But now, you get nosy fuckers that want to call the cops if you need to crack your son or daughters' ass. It's gone from one extreme to the other. The same people that say "Don't spank your kids" are the same ones who whine when the kid grows up to be a disrespectful piece of shit.

Hell, I'm 32 and I still have a healthy fear of my parents.

I agree T2, especially with spanking. Most kids today need a good crack on the ass.

Shit, my mom used to get the wooden spoons and crack us on the ass. Didn't matter if you were wearing jeans, that shit stung!!! But guess what? We knew exactly what the rules were, and we knew they would be enforced.

I got the wooden spoon too! I got a couple broken on me, so my step-mom bought this giant(2ft. long, 1'' in diameter)spoon; that changed my attitude

Shit, my mom used to get the wooden spoons and crack us on the ass. Didn't matter if you were wearing jeans, that shit stung!!! But guess what? We knew exactly what the rules were, and we knew they would be enforced.

Feh, you think that's bad? You shoulda grew up black...

For a people that are pissy about getting whipped, they sure are quick to hit their kids with anything not bolted down to the floor...

Worse off, they make YOU go get it before you get hit...

Extension cords, belts, rulers, shoes, telephone cords, it really doesn't matter.... lol

Feh, you think that's bad? You shoulda grew up black...

For a people that are pissy about getting whipped, they sure are quick to hit their kids with anything not bolted down to the floor...

Worse off, they make YOU go get it before you get hit...

Extension cords, belts, rulers, shoes, telephone cords, it really doesn't matter.... lol

Never got the extension cord treatment, phone cord or shoe, but i've had a "switch" from a tree, that I had to go pick :(, and i've had my fair share of belts :). My mom would tell my brother to get her a belt, and he'd get my favorite Ghostbuster belt, that fucker....

But I turned out great! Look at me now!

We (more so me) believe in corporal punishment. It is reserved for the most egregious behavior. Lying is a big no-no in my house.

My 6-year-old son was caught in a lie a year or so ago about something that happened at school. He was made firmly aware that if he ever lied again- he would be stripping the leaves off his very own forsythia switch.

Not 2-3 months later he got caught in a stupid lie. He said he had washed his hands before supper (after he went to the bathroom) when in fact- he did not. He got a switching for it. Even though the 'crime' was minor, the fact that he lied made it egregious.

Will he lie again? Maybe so. But I'm sure the recollection of the consequences of getting caught in a lie will make him think twice..

There's hazing and then there's hazing. During freshie week when I was going into Grade 9, the Grade 12 kids had a chick do something that resulted in one of her kneecaps being irreparably shattered. That was the last year they allowed freshie week at that high school, period.

The former Airborne Regiment in the CF used to have a hazing during their skills training. A video of the troops being forced to pass a piece of urine-soaked bread throughout the platoon from mouth to mouth was one of the 'reasons' leading to the regiment being disbanded (well, disbursed and renamed, but 'disbanded' sounded better in the news so people would quit writing letters about how evil the military is)

dude come on a urine soaked piece of bread? how does that help anything? when are you going to need to hold something disgusting in your mouth.

i can understand surf torture, laying in mud, laying in the prone for long periods of time for fuck ups. but really thats almost as bad as the ordance kiss. I would rather take a caning than to do that.

When I was in Scouts, every summer camp we used to kidnap the greenest tenderfoot and tie him to the lake dock pier at night. We would pull his pants down and stuff bread in his underwear so the fishies would nibble at his crotch.

He also had a bandanna in his mouth so no one would hear him scream.

That was pretty fun :)

When I was in Scouts, every summer camp we used to kidnap the greenest tenderfoot and tie him to the lake dock pier at night. We would pull his pants down and stuff bread in his underwear so the fishies would nibble at his crotch.

He also had a bandanna in his mouth so no one would hear him scream.

That was pretty fun :)

Hahhahahah thats great!


Well except for the fact someone is most likely planning your murder right now as we speak!
:firedevil

Do any of you parents perhaps feel a little bit bad after the whole thing? Like maybe you took it to far?

Coming from an asian family...all I have to say is that they will use the chinese feather duster. The ones that you can easily find in any part of Chinatown.

All it is, is a bamboo type stick w/ feathers on one side of it. And if you hold the feather side...

My legs ended up all black and blue and it came to the point where it wouldn't really hurt that much anymore. I have some scar tissue.

The feather duster is light, thin, and strong. Thinner than a wooden spoon, so it will cause more damage in a smaller spot.

Pretty much every paper I've read on child discipline states that corporal punishment isn't very effective in controlling behaviour. Consistent and fair rules seem to have the best results in encouraging compliant behaviour in children.

In Tom's case, he combined consistent and fair rules WITH corporal punishment, but I suspect that the same effect on behaviour could have been achieved with a non violent punishment.

^ You can only take so many toys away.

There are other means, I agree. But the mere act of having to go outside 'behind the woodpile', strip your own switch and be publicly disciplined works just fine. It's more symbolic than anything else. His punishment is made public and my friends/neighbors know he did something pretty darned bad. It's Hell when a kid also has to explain to a respected neighbor why he lied..

My son had a brief spell of not following directions and being disrespectful to his Kindergarten teacher. Most of the issue was due to another 'problem' child that kinda fed the other boys. His punishment? Every morning for about 4 weeks in the dead of winter my son and I awoke at 4:30-5:00 a.m. and took a 1- 1 1/2 mile walk and discussed the expected virtues of MY son, the meaning of respect and helpfulness towards others.

He did not have another problem all year.

See- the punishment fits the crime. Lying under any circumstances is an absolute no-no and has to be stopped NOW. Being disrespectful or not listening are learned traits that have to be reinforced through repetition and example.

Yeesh. "My parents did it to me, so it must be okay."

My GF deals with 18 three year olds every day without hitting a single one of them.

It's much better for someone to understand WHY pushing Jimmy is wrong, rather than just understanding someone is going to physically hurt him if he does it.

Beating your kids has all sorts of nasty effects.
If you're a girl, it makes you more likely to stay in an abusive relationship.
If you're a guy.... hey why not beat your wife too?
(You might think I'm being extreme, but beating your wife was once socially acceptable.)

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/662/context/archive

Children should NEVER be fearful of a beating from their parents, regardless of what the crime is.

Anyone remember the dad who sold his kid's Playstation2 on eBay to pay for the bottle of wine he and his friends drank? THAT was a badass dad. Punishment fits the crime, and there was no need for physical contact.

Multiple studies have shown that the relationships children have with their parents will directly affect who they seek out as a lifelong partner. If your dad left you at a young age, you will try to sabotage every relationship you get into, as well as seeking out guys who will leave you. If your dad abused you, you will seek abusive relationships. If your dad was an alcoholic, you will seek an alcoholic partner. It never fails.

Aside from what sponsorship covers, my dad pays for my racing activities. It has strengthened our relationship immensely, given us something to talk about constantly, and overall, I feel far closer to my dad than I did a year or two years ago. At the same time, I know that if I get way out of line, he'll pull the funding for the karting, and I'll be up shit creek.