2006 Mazdaspeed 6
276hp
280lb/ft
6-spd
LSD
AWD


http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeed6&bhcp=1

Poor man's M3 :)

I'm not too sure it's gonna be aimed towards the STi and the EVO. Probably more in the class of the Altima SE-R V6, TL Type-S, G35 as far as performance. I'd rather see a Mazdaspeed 3 compete against the EVO and the STi. The 3 and the 6 are built on the Volvo's S40/S60 platforms, so i'm sure the 3 and 6 are already designed for AWD.

2006? for 2k6 the Subaru has a 350 hp 350 ft/lbs version of the STi in the works

2006? for 2k6 the Subaru has a 350 hp 350 ft/lbs version of the STi in the works
Pigs will fly before that gets released on American shores if the rumour is even halfway true.

Force, you should know better then to even attempt to argue with Tibby at this point....

Poor man's M3 :)

I'm not too sure it's gonna be aimed towards the STi and the EVO. Probably more in the class of the Altima SE-R V6, TL Type-S, G35 as far as performance. I'd rather see a Mazdaspeed 3 compete against the EVO and the STi. The 3 and the 6 are built on the Volvo's S40/S60 platforms, so i'm sure the 3 and 6 are already designed for AWD.

Actually, you have it backwards. Mazda designed and produces these chassis, and Volvo/Ford have vehicles based on them.

And I don't really think we're looking at Altima, TL or G35. The Altima and TL are both FWD, they're not even a comparison. The G35...the AWD model isn't even available with a manual transmission. Quite honestly, I think the Mazdaspeed 6 will fit into either catagory...but its more suited to the Evo/STi market.

in order to be in the wrx/evo its going to need to be turbo charged.

^ It is turbocharged. They turbo'd the 2.3L Four that they use in the base model 6. A nice hefty gain of 116HP.

Without a doubt it's gonna be one helluva car. If anything I wish the Miata would get more power in Mazdaspeed form.

As far the the TL being in the comparo, i'm more than sure that Honda has the SH-AWD in the works for the TL soon. It's already on the new RL. So as soon as Mazda releases the Mazdaspeed 6, i'm sure Honda will have the TL to counter.

I love TLs, I wouldn't mind having one in place of the fd.

the TL type A is 270 hp 6 speed with more mods from the factory then most of us already have

subaru is releasing it in the states to compete w/ the upcoming evolution MR. we pretty much got the spec c w/ a detuned suspention for the 04 model year. and for 05 they added some of the creature comforts and changed some things.

^ It is turbocharged. They turbo'd the 2.3L Four that they use in the base model 6. A nice hefty gain of 116HP.

Without a doubt it's gonna be one helluva car. If anything I wish the Miata would get more power in Mazdaspeed form.


Negative. Pick up the latest SCC mag. They got a real good look at the car and said that they were able to see the diameter of the exhaust and confirmed it to be a V6 turbo. I suppose it's possible it could be a 2.3L Four, but not likely.

Regarding the Mazdaspeed, I think there's atleast another 60-70hp waiting to be freed up with just exhaust, some form of a an intake and some electronics like a BC, etc. It would be pretty much maxed out on the factory turbo though.

^ So Mazda is going to use their Duratec V6 and turbo it? Under the hood of a V6 Mazda 6 is barely enough room to fit the 3.0L engine let alone a turbo setup.

^ So Mazda is going to use their Duratec V6 and turbo it? Under the hood of a V6 Mazda 6 is barely enough room to fit the 3.0L engine let alone a turbo setup.

underhood of Mazda 6:
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Mazda-6/Images-5door/Engine-md.jpg

Relocate battery to rear of car(not unusual), make some minor adjustments to airbox placement and yes it will fit just fine IMO.

Remember their AWD Turbocharged prototype 626?? It had a turbocharged V6 and AWD and it's shockingly similar to the Mazda 6. They pretty much already had the solid blueprints about 3-4 years ago :D

http://www.autosite.com/autoshows/2004-Paris-Auto-Show/default4.asp

If indeed that's true, they turbo'd the 4 banger. I'm sure they could do the Y pipe configuration and run a single turbo on the V6, but why go turbo for only a 60HP gain?

http://www.autosite.com/autoshows/2004-Paris-Auto-Show/default4.asp

If indeed that's true, they turbo'd the 4 banger. I'm sure they could do the Y pipe configuration and run a single turbo on the V6, but why go turbo for only a 60HP gain?

I really don't think they are going to turbocharge the 4 cylinder but who knows.

I can tell you that the bean counters would want to turbocharge the V6 and gain 60HP.

Which engine do you think has more stress on it? The turbo V6 which probably makes that 275HP at a measly 7-9psi, or the 2.3L 4 cylinder thats probably wound pretty tight to squeeze that 275hp out? Remember, Mazda hasn't been turbocharging 4 cylinder engines for as long as the 4G63 and EJ20 have been around.

Only time will tell. My money is on a turbo V6 cause the French are usually so drunk with wine they can't tell the difference between a Renault and a Peugot :D lol

the TL type A is 270 hp 6 speed with more mods from the factory then most of us already have

270hp...but only 238lb/ft of torque. 280 > 240...by quite a bit.

The car will be a turbocharged version of the new 2.3L I4. That is one helluva engine...Mazda wanted to get back to the 2.2L engine that was in the MX-6 GT.

http://www.rx-7source.com/showpics/temp/other/mazda6_mazdaspeed_official_pics_010.jpg

Here's a TON of pics: http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=353109&highlight=mazdaspeed6

this is sort of like asking why ford made a SVO 2.3T in 1985 with 205hp (from a base engine that made 88hp then 145 in its first turbo debut) and the new fuel injected V8 only made 180. if ford can make a 205hp turbo 4 in '85 im sure using modern technology mazda can reliably yield around 300hp from a 2 liter engine without breaking the bank.

why not turbo the 6? i guess they dont want its performance to overshadow their Miata turbo and RX-8 too much. I have no idea.

Well then I stand corrected. Everything else I have seen or read points to the car being a V6, including Mazda's claim that it has 275HP AND 280lb/ft. Thats alot of torue for a 4 cylinder.

this is sort of like asking why ford made a SVO 2.3T in 1985 with 205hp (from a base engine that made 88hp then 145 in its first turbo debut) and the new fuel injected V8 only made 180. if ford can make a 205hp turbo 4 in '85 im sure using modern technology mazda can reliably yield around 300hp from a 2 liter engine without breaking the bank.

why not turbo the 6? i guess they dont want its performance to overshadow their Miata turbo and RX-8 too much. I have no idea.

Well, its really not all that much of an issue. 10 years ago? Maybe. But 280hp out of a 2.3L isn't all that much, the Lancer Evo has about the same from a 2.0L.

Well then I stand corrected. Everything else I have seen or read points to the car being a V6, including Mazda's claim that it has 275HP AND 280lb/ft. Thats alot of torue for a 4 cylinder.

What about the EVO and the STi? Both are 4 Bangers, and not to mention the SRT-4 which has 250lb/ft of torque.

i've yet to understand one post in this thread... :rolleyes:


Mark
95SE

L4 or v6, either way, it'll probably dust some ass with a turn of a knob.

4 bangers have been known to put out high horsepower since way before we were born.
look at the elise.
this mazdaspeed 6, if its a 4 cylinder, it has almost as much horsepower as the mk3 celica supras when they came from the factory.
and they're nothing but straight 6 head gasket blowing pieces of trash.

Well then I stand corrected. Everything else I have seen or read points to the car being a V6, including Mazda's claim that it has 275HP AND 280lb/ft. Thats alot of torue for a 4 cylinder.

Look at this picture: http://www.rx-7source.com/showpics/temp/other/mazda6_mazdaspeed_official_pics_010.jpg

It says 2.3L. The only 2.3L Mazda has in production, or planned for production, is the I4 they just started making 2 years ago.

Anyway, torque....that is an interesting one. See, with a turbocharger thats tuned properly for the engine, you can make lots of torque. Its all about sizing it properly. The SRT-4 has a VERY well matched turbo, and it makes 245lb/ft...and "only" 215hp. Turbo's are torque-makers.