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BATMAN
04-05-2007, 09:55 AM
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/HEALTH/04/04/neurotheology/story.neurotheology.jpg

"I just know God is with me. I can feel Him always," a young Haitian woman once told me.

"I've meditated and gone to another place I can't describe. Hours felt like mere minutes. It was an indescribable feeling of peace," recalled a CNN colleague.

"I've spoken in languages I've never learned. It was God speaking through me," confided a relative.

The accounts of intense religious and spiritual experiences are topics of fascination for people around the world. It's a mere glimpse into someone's faith and belief system. It's a hint at a person's intense connection with God, an omniscient being or higher plane. Most people would agree the experience of faith is immeasurable.

Dr. Andrew Newberg, neuroscientist and author of "Why We Believe What We Believe," wants to change all that. He's working on ways to track how the human brain processes religion and spirituality. It's all part of new field called neurotheology.

After spending his early medical career studying how the brain works in neurological and psychiatric conditions such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, depression and anxiety, Newberg took that brain-scanning technology and turned it toward the spiritual: Franciscan nuns, Tibetan Buddhists, and Pentecostal Christians speaking in tongues. His team members at the University of Pennsylvania were surprised by what they found.

"When we think of religious and spiritual beliefs and practices, we see a tremendous similarity across practices and across traditions."

The frontal lobe, the area right behind our foreheads, helps us focus our attention in prayer and meditation.

The parietal lobe, located near the backs of our skulls, is the seat of our sensory information. Newberg says it's involved in that feeling of becoming part of something greater than oneself.

The limbic system, nestled deep in the center, regulates our emotions and is responsible for feelings of awe and joy.

Newberg calls religion the great equalizer and points out that similar areas of the brain are affected during prayer and meditation. Newberg suggests that these brain scans may provide proof that our brains are built to believe in God. He says there may be universal features of the human mind that actually make it easier for us to believe in a higher power.

Interestingly enough, devout believers and atheists alike point to the brain scans as proof of their own ideas.

Some nuns and other believers champion the brain scans as proof of an innate, physical conduit between human beings and God. According to them, it would only make sense that God would give humans a way to communicate with the Almighty through their brain functions.

Some atheists saw these brain scans as proof that the emotions attached to religion and God are nothing more than manifestations of brain circuitry.

Scott Atran doesn't consider himself an atheist, but he says the brain scans offer little in terms of understanding why humans believe in God. He is an anthropologist and author of "In Gods We Trust: The Evolutionary Landscape of Religion."

Instead of viewing religion and spirituality as an innate quality hardwired by God in the human brain, he sees religion as a mere byproduct of evolution and Darwinian adaptation.

"Just like we're not hardwired for boats, but humans in all cultures make boats in pretty much the same way, Atran explains. "Now, that's a result both of the way the brain works and of the needs of the world, and of trying to traverse a liquid medium and so I think religion is very much like that."

Atran points to the palms of his hands as another example of evolutionary coincidence. He says the creases formed there are a mere byproduct of human beings working with our hands -- stretching back to the ages of striking the first fires, hunting the first prey to building early shelter. Although, the patterns in our palms were coincidentally formed by eons of evolution and survival, he points out that cultures around the world try to find meaning in them through different forms of palm reading.

Anthropologists like Atran say, "Religion is a byproduct of many different evolutionary functions that organized our brains for day-to-day activity."

To be sure, religion has the unparalleled power to bring people into groups. Religion has helped humans survive, adapt and evolve in groups over the ages. It's also helped us learn to cope with death, identify danger and finding mating partners.

Today, scientific images can track our thoughts on God, but it would take a long leap of faith to identify why we think of God in the first place.

honegod
04-05-2007, 12:41 PM
there are some things human understanding can not, and will not, ever explain.

sure, entirely possible.

but how could a human brain describe those things that it cannot possibly explain ? any attempt at a description of things we cannot possibly explain is doomed to fail because if we can describe it we can explain it.

it works that way.

95whitepep
04-05-2007, 02:13 PM
I tried to explain this the other day to marky...

Because there are things that we as humans don't understand, its always easy for people to fill in the gaps with 'God' ...

How man times have you heard 'It was Gods will' or a 'Miracle from God'

Basically, my viewpoint is that He created a universe as a system and set it forward. And very rarely does He step in and alter things.

Human beings by nature want to understand things...when they can't explain them they are mystified and the God factor is put in it. Its only when we find out the scientific answers to things do we remove the God filling gaps.

Then there are those who want to cling onto the older 'God filling answers' and basically become annoying assholes to the rest of us.

honegod
04-05-2007, 03:08 PM
the recent astounding revival that swept across the nation was found to be caused by a electronics nerd sitting in the back of the tent and irradiating the audiences with a radiation that artificially stimulated their brains enough that they all spoke with god.

we have continued to be unable to reach god for comment.

Ark2
04-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Basically, my viewpoint is that He created a universe as a system and set it forward. And very rarely does He step in and alter things.


Why does He alter things at all then? When has He altered things? Did He get things wrong the first time?

honegod
04-05-2007, 05:35 PM
we do NOT understand the universe, we do NOT have all the answers!

it's a balance, superhack....not a knee jerk, broad sweep, PC, culture friendly one line response from your whimsical ego inflated little mind


what happened to goddidit ?

that covers EVERYTHING perfectly with no room whatsoever for feeble humanity.

95whitepep
04-05-2007, 06:12 PM
in other words, you're a theistic evolutionist/practical agnostic


Sure parade me out with your 'labels' whatever. Seems to me you are just replicating the same acts as the men who brought Mary in front of Jesus.
Man you are a waste.....



God doesn't interfere in human events, right? that denies Creation, the Law, and Christ


I said he rarely steps in...I didn't say he didn't...you're and idiot who needs to read.


you're a kooky liberal, bottom line...mixing a little truth with alot of culture-friendly dogma


Well you are wrong there. Are you plainly that stupid?




now you are oversimplifying, because you are simple minded


Like a child? :bigthumb:


some people do that, but they are naive....God created us with inherent curiosity and the ability to study and understand the universe...all well and good...the problem comes in when puny man thinks he is the be-all, end-all of knowledge and understanding (i.e. self worship)...we do NOT understand the universe, we do NOT have all the answers!


So we shouldn't look for answers because they are already spelled out in the bible?? What a stupid remark on your part.


it's a balance, superhack....not a knee jerk, broad sweep, PC, culture friendly one line response from your whimsical ego inflated little mind


blah blah blah...
You actually comment on my ego? STFU you have the largest ego with the smallest IQ I have ever seen.

Man you are so brainwashed I have pity for you. Enjoy the Kool-aid!

95whitepep
04-05-2007, 06:27 PM
lol

I can always tell when you're getting frustrated when you throw down the 12 year old "STFU" card

what a little punk :owned:

Thats how you own me???
You really think that gets to me.

How many times have you typed 'Get off my thread' or 'Get out of here'.
More times than me typing STFU. You FAIL again there chump.

Fact is I know that telling your short ass to SHUT THE FUCK UP gives you flash backs of you diaper-shitting daddy BEATING your BITCH ASS down.

95whitepep
04-05-2007, 07:01 PM
superhack is getting frustrated


Actually I am laughing at you idiotic behavior...you are a fool.


oh, and I'm shorter than you

Fixed.

BTW baldy, I don't have to take DRUGS for my hair....hows that stumpy.

Ark2
04-05-2007, 08:05 PM
Basically, my viewpoint is that He created a universe as a system and set it forward. And very rarely does He step in and alter things.
Why does He alter things at all then? When has He altered things? Did He get things wrong the first time?

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