Don't flame him.

I would honestly like to know what sparked your religious posting... considering the things you used to say/post?

Where may I read these religious posts?

I don't see a thread that screams "Bible humpers vs. Evolutionists".....

I realized the satanic path my life had taken and became filled with the Holy Spirit the more I read the bible. I'm trying to turn it around, trying to give the gospel a chance, and somehow my life has started changing, ironically, in a way I couldn't make it change with my own efforts.

"When in doubt, try it if there's nothing to lose"

I give YZF a lot of credit for sticking up for his beliefs. He is who led me to John McArthur, who finally explained things about Christianity that I had always objected to, why there are so many denominations, why some "churches" only emphasize the judgemental old testament acts of God rather than the chance that came to us in the form of Christ, and the guide which He presented us with.

I agree I don't post the same way as I used to a year or two ago on the RXclub. At least I try not to most of the time. :)

Oh, Jesus Fucking Christ... :D

Lol, I knew I'd hear from you! But it's okay, you are free to choose your beliefs, it's a free country.

Well, after mentioning that world-class nut YZF, you'd pretty much have to hear from me...

Mark's a fucking wacko.

yes I agree, actually the wackos are the only ones who tend to surrender to Christ as they have no other option for casting out their demons..... I had a few of my own, heh who am I kidding I still have a few.

Anyhow, have a great night!

I think you are mentally fucking ill.

hes just alot happier then you

Oh, Jesus Fucking Christ... :D

My words exactly...

If I could bring one long gone member back, it would be YZF...

What the hell for?

Outside of comedy relief, nothing good really ever came from that guy...

If I could bring one long gone member back, it would be YZF...

He's like Tom Green. He's entertaining due to his stupidity for a few minutes, but then becomes annoying to the point of earning a public beheading at sevenstock.

I realized the satanic path my life had taken and became filled with the Holy Spirit the more I read the bible. I'm trying to turn it around, trying to give the gospel a chance, and somehow my life has started changing, ironically, in a way I couldn't make it change with my own efforts.

"When in doubt, try it if there's nothing to lose"

I give YZF a lot of credit for sticking up for his beliefs. He is who led me to John McArthur, who finally explained things about Christianity that I had always objected to, why there are so many denominations, why some "churches" only emphasize the judgemental old testament acts of God rather than the chance that came to us in the form of Christ, and the guide which He presented us with.

I agree I don't post the same way as I used to a year or two ago on the RXclub. At least I try not to most of the time. :)


jesus christ...what even in your life caused you to "find jesus" someone threaten to kill you, get on drugs, kill a guy and go to jail, desperate for attention, get put on meds? there is a reason for you turning jesus happy, i say an overwhelming sense of guilt or desperation. if you need a 2,000 year old book to tell you how to live, then you are seriously a sad sad man.

yzf IS a loon, you mention his name and your asking for a pummeling.

FYI, dont say "fuck jesus" on the rx club, it pisses some memebers off. but i got that stupid ass thread closed;)

jesus christ...what even in your life caused you to "find jesus" someone threaten to kill you, get on drugs, kill a guy and go to jail, desperate for attention, get put on meds? there is a reason for you turning jesus happy, i say an overwhelming sense of guilt or desperation. if you need a 2,000 year old book to tell you how to live, then you are seriously a sad sad man.

yzf IS a loon, you mention his name and your asking for a pummeling.

FYI, dont say "fuck jesus" on the rx club, it pisses some memebers off. but i got that stupid ass thread closed;)


yzf.

come on razor, i'm ready foo'...

I dont know why it bugs some people so much if you're into your religion....
*shrug* different strokes for different folks I guess. I dont see what the big deal is, to each his own.

That's just like how here in Canada when someone asks me where I'm from and I say I'm american someone always just belts out "Canada's better!" with like some need to prove something...either that or they'll start talking to me about the war. Just annoying is all...

Man I hate Canada.

same this with this, you say your atheist (which i am) and people say "oh your going to hell" or someone says their christian, and someone says "catholics are better" i dont like being preached to, most of my friends are christians, and some of them know i am atheist, they dont agree with it, but they dont lecture me.

yzf.

come on razor, i'm ready foo'...


dont make me find your address...

i need to go see my aunt in tomball..you still live where i shipped that rear end last summer?

I dont know why it bugs some people so much if you're into your religion...There's a BIG difference between being "into" your religion and being so high on it that you're constantly shoving it in other people's faces and telling them they'll burn in hell if they don't instantly capitulate and change their system of belief to your own.

And then there are the people who think the earth is only ~6,000 years old and that the end is nigh... that's right, I said THE END IS NIGH!!! :D

Good to see some honest answers from a few of you, maybe I am insane or maybe I'm just not spiritually dead.......

Funny how it always comes down to "shoving down others' throats" just by stating beliefs. Insecurity abound in here.

Like Jim said, there's a big difference between you and the ones' everyone refers to...

Just know when to keep your peace and stay off that "Jesus Juice", and you'll be fine...

But I want you all to hate me.

Good to see some honest answers from a few of you, maybe I am insane or maybe I'm just not spiritually dead.......
or maybe you're just a born again militant bible thumper.


and... I honestly am flabergasted about this... I... agree... with Jimlab








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... I honestly am flabergasted about this... I... agree... with Jimlab








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Me too....maybe its the end of the world.

Me too....maybe its the end of the world.
:eek:


he did say the end was nigh!

aaaaaaahahahahaha

militant? Lol I love you guys.

who's the hater here?

who's the hater here?
who's the one thats been filling all the threads with his jargon about god and satan. and yes, I realize i used a little g instead of a big G there.

I wish YZF posted here :)

same this with this, you say your atheist (which i am) and people say "oh your going to hell" or someone says their christian, and someone says "catholics are better" i dont like being preached to, most of my friends are christians, and some of them know i am atheist, they dont agree with it, but they dont lecture me.

You're a dumb fuck, learn basic English. A third grade English teacher needs to "preach" to your ass and teach you the proper usages of your/you're, and there/they're/their.

Holy shit, you should've learned this longgggggggggg ago.

I wish YZF posted here :)

He was actually pretty nice to me, even before I started believing.

I think you are mentally fucking ill.

I'm not going to lie, I am mentally ill! Ill enough to recognize the futility of materialism and purusit of worldly posessions which amount to nothing when the flesh meets the grave, and we are all heading there.

I've had a depressing life, or I'm just chronically depressed because of some other defect, but hey it just means I think a lot about stuff most people avoid.

I can say I'm definately happier now, having finally found what I truly believe in. I hope for everyone's sake that, in the midst of your porn filled activities, you might find something eternal to set your sights on too.

:dunno:

"fornicator"

I'm not going to lie, I had a good friend with a lot of benefits for quite a while. She was a great girl, I still see her from time to time and she gets all excited when she sees me.

But I sinned BIGTIME with her, thankfully it didn't cost me bringing an illegitimate child into the world the way I was brought in. And it sure sucked when she cheated on me later, goes with the territory of sex before marriage.

You're proud of fornicating.

That's endorsing sin, and pride is also a sin.

illstreet is boring...

Feelings protect is back on...

And it sure sucked when she cheated on me later, goes with the territory of sex before marriage.Yeah, that explains it. That never happens if you don't have sex before marriage... :D

Religion is the opiate of the masses...

Well I think I've explained my actions well enough, the inquisition can end here, no more voluntary info from me. :)

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NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!!!!!

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

How to be a Bible Apologist
An Eight-Step Guide to Bible Literalism through Christian Apologetics

Step One: Accept the divine, absolute, and literal truth of the Bible

This is by far the most important step: If the Bible isn't the literal and absolute truth, we might as well just shoot ourselves right now.

Step Two: Twist the definition of "literal" beyond all recognition

When Bible apologists use the word "literal", it's not the same as when someone else uses the word "literal". As an apologist, you are allowed a certain leeway on what is "literal". For example, if someone wrote "I was driving 65 mph" and claimed it was "literally true", people would expect that he was actually driving 65 mph. Later, if it was found he was really driving 85 mph, he would be considered at best "wrong" or at worst "lying". However, as an apologist, you could make the same claim without being either wrong or a liar. You could claim that people just "misinterpreted" your literal statement.

This is the key difference, and we can't stress this enough: a literal statement can require interpretation if it's in apparent conflict with some other fact. However, and this is equally important, this only applies to Bible apologetics, not to anyone else's statements, religions, ideas, or sciences.

So, if you, as an apologist, make the statement "I was driving 65 mph" when bystanders, police radar, and Swiss Olympic timing experts say you were going was 85 mph, you could claim that, in the context of your statement:

a) 65 mph is "close enough to 85 mph to still be accurate: after all, nothing can be determined exactly."
b) "65 mph" was obviously meant to mean "65 mph relative to another car going 20 mph that I forgot to mention but I obviously implied because my statement is obviously literally true."
c) An hour was shorter back then.
d) A mile was longer back then.
e) The bystanders, the police, and the Swiss Olympic timing experts are all mistaken, lying, or just plain evil.

Of course this whole mess could have been avoided simply by not making a testable claim in the first place, but sometimes it's unavoidable, even for an apologist.
By applying this technique to the Bible, you can easily show everything in it is literally true. When you apply it to science, you get step three.

Step Three: Ignore or re-interpret the last 600 years of scientific knowledge

Many of those who attack the Bible will try to use science to show that parts of the Bible aren't literally true. When someone does this, you have several courses of action available. You can:

a) Claim science is wrong.
b) Claim science has always agreed with Bible.
c) Redefine "literal" (via step two) so you can claim the Bible doesn't actually say what the attacker claims.

While many apologists automatically choose the first option, the second and third are equally valid. For example, when a Bible attacker tries to attack Genesis by saying "it isn't possible that there was a global flood because of scientific reasons x, y, and z," you can:

a) Claim that science is wrong and can't explain anything, and therefore reasons x, y, and z are just designed to trick people.
b) Claim there is plenty evidence of a global flood and science will one day prove it and answer x, y, and z, and therefore science totally and completely agrees with the Bible.
c) Claim that the Bible doesn't say the flood was global, therefore reasons x, y, and z don't apply.

As an apologist, you are free to choose any of these, depending on the objections raised. You should also be willing to accept all three of them if the situation dictates.
This leads us to our next step.

Step Four: Learn to believe two or more contradictory ideas simultaneously

You, as a Bible apologist, should be able to believe any number of mutually contradictory ideas. For example, you should have no problem believing that the Old Testament represents the unchanging word of God, and, at the same time, believe that the New Testament represents the unchanging word of God. This seemingly impossible feat is accomplished by combining everything we have learned above.

As in the "science" example above, it is quite easy, for a Bible apologist, to believe that science is wrong because it disagrees with the Bible, and at the same time believe that the Bible is right because science agrees with it.

Lets look at each section in detail:

Science is wrong because it disagrees with the Bible.

This is obviously true since science says evolution has occurred and this disagrees with the Bible. Since the Bible is the divine word of God, and is literally and absolutely true, science has to be wrong.

The Bible is true because science agrees with it.

This is obviously true. Science shows us some things written in the Bible actually did happen, and that some of the miracles in the Bible are explainable by scientific means. If we add to this our ability to re-interpret scientific theories such as biology, physics, math, statistics, relativity, history, archeology, and quantum mechanics, our ability to support the the Bible with science increases exponentially.

After all, science is manmade, the Bible is divine. You, as an apologist, are trying to show that the Bible is the literal word of God, so you have to assume anything that appears to challenge it is automatically wrong, and anything that appears to support it is automatically right.

Some "new age Christians" might try to use the "twist the definition of literal" rule to say that Genesis allows for evolution if you read it just right. This is incorrect.

Use this step to believe in the Trinity.

Step Five: Acknowledge the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies contained in the Bible

As a Bible apologist, one of your main occupations is to locate and be amazed at all the wonderful and fulfilled prophecies contained in the Bible. After accepting the first four steps, this step should present no problem.

The prophecies you will find in the Bible are not always in the form of "Event X will happen in the future", and are never in the form of "Event X will happen at 12:30 on December 8 102 AD in the city of Jerusalem to Jacob who owns that bakery on 1st street" (which is what many non-apologists incorrectly expect), but these facts shouldn't slow you down: you are an apologist, mere facts can't stop you. We'll just apply steps one through four to reveal the prophecies.

a) Because of step one, we already know the Bible is the divine and literal word of God, so now we can use this knowledge to automatically assume all the prophecies in the Bible have been fulfilled, thus supporting the literal Bible further.
b) Using step two, we can make virtually any phrase found in the Bible some sort of prophecy.
c) Thanks to step three, we can bend facts around to fulfill even the most tenuous of prophecies
d) And finally, step four allows us to believe that the prophecies have been fulfilled, and yet still deal with other people's perception that they haven't.

What you'll be looking for, mainly, is phrases in the Old Testament that can be twisted around (via step two) so they remotely resemble something found in the New Testament.
So when you see a phrase like "Do not break any of the bones" in the old testament, you, as an apologist, should easily be able to read that as a prophecy if you just try. Since none of Christ's bones were broken, we know that "Do not break any of the bones" must have been a prophecy, even though it was referring to slaughtering a sheep and didn't mention anything about being a prophecy of Christ.

It's very important that you don't try to use this same technique with other religious texts, only the Bible. While it's true that you may find the same kind of "prophecies" in other religious and even secular books, those are not true prophecies since they are not in the Bible (see step one). You may find it helpful to avoid reading any books that aren't explicitly pro-Christian.

Those of you with a background in logic (joke) may find the idea of supporting a proposition with that same proposition a bit strange, but because we already know the Bible is literally true, we can use the Bible to support the Bible.

Another significant portion of the prophecies you will find are prophecies of things outside the Bible. The general idea is to claim that anytime the Bible mentions a town, village, nation, person, or event; it is a prophecy. So if the Bible mentions a nation called "Egypt", and there really was a nation called "Egypt", this makes that Biblical reference a fulfilled prophecy. As you can imagine, this means there are literally thousands of these prophecies. Many non-apologists will try to debunk these kinds of prophecies, saying that all ancient books reference thousands of physical locations, almost all of which really do exist. The answer is simple: they aren't from the Bible, so therefore they don't count.

One of the best types of these external prophecies is the prophecy of the destruction of a city. There are many of these in the Bible. Take the city of Sodom as an example: The Bible tells us that the ancient city Sodom was destroyed by God, and sure enough, after 3000 years, the city doesn't exist. It was so thoroughly destroyed that modern archaeologists can't even agree the city of Sodom ever even existed!

The most famous of these prophecies is the prophecy of the destruction of the city of Tyre: the Bible clearly says it will be destroyed and never, ever, be rebuilt, and if we apply steps two and three, we can certainly make this absolutely true. Non-apologists will likely say the city still exists, and there are over a hundred thousand people who live there, but this shouldn't concern you: you're an apologist! We'll just use our own definition of "literal" to say "sure it still exists, but it's not nearly as important as it was, therefore the prophecy was fulfilled. Really!" See?

Step Six: Learn that moral relativism is not true

Moral relativism, the belief that all moral decisions are dependent on the surrounding society and culture, is simply not true. If something is wrong, it is wrong for all people at all times.

Take slavery for example: we know slavery is wrong, and that the slave-holders are immoral, but 200 years ago people thought slavery was perfectly moral. If the moral relativists are right, those slave-holders weren't immoral, they were just following the morality of their times. But, since we know that slavery was always wrong, there must be an absolute morality as given by the Bible.

Step Seven: Learn that absolute morals can change depending on the situation or society

Many non-apologists will call this "stupid" or "a cop out". If this occurs, it's a good idea to question the morality and/or sexual preference of the attacker, but be sure to ignore any answers given, or at least re-interpret them in a negative light.

Now while it's true that slavery is, and always has been, morally wrong, this doesn't mean that slavery was always always morally wrong. There are many situations where the rules of the time and the culture of the society cause the absolute morality to be modified.

This means that while slave-holders in the United States were wrong to keep slaves 200 years ago, it wasn't wrong for people in ancient Israel to keep slaves, because in that society, slavery was simply the way things were done back then. This differs from moral relativism in several important ways:

a) Situational absolute morality is in the Bible.
b) Moral relativism isn't in the Bible.
c) The Bible.
e) Bible.

Following this same scheme, it is possible to resolve all the so-called "moral conflicts" in the Bible, all without ever saying the phrase "moral relativism".

You could also say something about how the pork thing is another case in which science has shown the Bible is right because eating uncooked pork is bad for you, but this is optional and entirely up to you.

So, when Bible attackers ask such mean-spirited questions as "If it was wrong for the ancient Hebrews to eat pork, and then Jesus said eating pork was no longer a sin, didn't morality change?" you can safely say "No: morality didn't change, the situation changed... in a way that doesn't involve any moral relativism of course."

All questions about the differences between the Biblical and the present morality of things like incest, adultery, racism, women's equality, child welfare, rape, murder, and genocide are also easily dismissed using this method.

Another method you may find useful is to claim the past behavior was seen as acceptable because a greater good was done. Thus, when God commanded people to murder and/or rape all the women and children of entire towns and nations, this was so those women and children wouldn't end up in hell, or be able to cause others to sin, or something else equally bad.

So murder, rape, and genocide were always wrong, but when God commanded people to do it back then, it wasn't moral relativism, so it was good. However, this only applies to the past: genocide, rape, and murder really are wrong now, so don't try them, no matter what greater good might come out of them.

You may want to re-read steps one, two, three, and four if you have any questions on this step.

Step Eight: Become comfortable with your own insanity.

During the process of becoming a Bible apologist, you may find yourself becoming quite insane. Don't worry, this is a normal, and even necessary, step on the road to true Bible literalism. Many people become frightened at their growing insanity at this stage and back off, saying it's impossible to reconcile the literal Bible with the world around us, or even with itself. But, alas, they are wrong. It is quite possible to do these things, but you must first become comfortable with your own cognitive dissonance. You must learn to believe all the impossible and contradictory ideas inherent in Bible literalism. Your blossoming insanity is the key to your future as a Bible apologist.

To help combat doubts, try sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "La la la la la la" repeatedly. If you post the ‘lalala’ part in a forum, go back and edit it out so no one can later ‘prove’ your insanity.

Congratulations! You are now well on your way to becoming a Bible apologist!

Though this guide doesn't try to be a comprehensive resource on Biblical literalism, we hope it has answered some of the non-apologists' objections, and helped you along the path towards Bible apologetics.

I actually have the shroud of venus, which is the bloody panties Mary put on after I took her virginity. How much do you think I could get on E-Bay?

The virgin mary is noteworthy, but she pales in comparison to even John the Baptist or the 12 apostles. The catholics seem to like to put up image after image of the virgin mary and Christ on the cross, but the spirit of Jesus and true repentence is what saves, not the virgin mary.

Have a great day, my long lost friend O meddle!