Living in that shithole with the heat can do things to people.

http://www.fungod.com/coppermine/albums/coolvideos02/stoning.wmv

This is a nasty video of what happens when u cheat and get caught.

NWS

Fucking savages.

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*shakes head*

It's rough, but they are of a lesser kind then the rest of us.....

No chance for reform, it's mess up with GOD even in the slightest and you're dead.....

The really pathetic thing about that video is the cheesy music and religious message at the end.

back in the day, stoning was the punishment for adultery in western societies as well.

interesting sidenote: rape law was originally designed to protect women from being condemned to death by stoning when a man forcefully had sex with her against her will.

at least thats what my crim law prof said.

It's rough, but they are of a lesser kind then the rest of us.....

i respectfully disagree.

You know, I will say this about stoning to death, cutting off hands for stealing, etc...

Don't do anything wrong, and you don't have anything to worry about.

Let's say Congress passed a law tomorrow that would institute cutting off someone's hand for theft. Anyone who immediately opposed it saying it's inhumane, unjust, whatever, is a goddamn thief.

It's like I tried to explain to Lemonade on the 7club when he was bitching and whining about probation, etc... If he hadn't done anything in the first place, none of the consequences would have happened.

Sometimes shit happens if that law passed then you'd see alot of people with missing hands since you know there'd be that one fucktard who would quietly put something in your bag or pocket just to see that stupid look on people when the alarm goes off. One of my brothers friends use to drop shit into old people's bags just to see them almost have a heart attack and try to explain why they were trying to shoplift.

Let's say Congress passed a law tomorrow that would institute cutting off someone's hand for theft. Anyone who immediately opposed it saying it's inhumane, unjust, whatever, is a goddamn thief.

or a liberal :rofl:

you know this, but it'd be unconstitutional by way of cruel and unusual punishment.

your view is very utilitarian. we punish because it serves as a deterrent.

but don't you feel it would be wrong on some level to issue extreme punishments for crimes? don't you feel that it's more just to tailor the level of punishment to match the culpability or moral condemnation with which society views the crime?

or a liberal :rofl:

you know this, but it'd be unconstitutional by way of cruel and unusual punishment.

your view is very utilitarian. we punish because it serves as a deterrent.

but don't you feel it would be wrong on some level to issue extreme punishments for crimes? don't you feel that it's more just to tailor the level of punishment to match the culpability or moral condemnation with which society views the crime?

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back in the day, stoning was the punishment for adultery in western societies as well.

The guys behind getting Intelligent Design into schools want adultery to be punishable by death in the good ole US of A.

And We Shall Call Lots Of Random People "the Enemy" Thats It Theres No More To It, George Ronsonbergr Has Spoken Perdiod, Ampersand

The guys behind getting Intelligent Design into schools want adultery to be punishable by death in the good ole US of A.


Got any room up north? God I dont think I could stand all the whiny liberals, but the laws are so lax.

Where Is Grand Wizard Hornsbys Posts?! Grand Wizard Hornsby Is Getting Mad!!!

Where Is Grand Wizard Hornsbys Posts?! Grand Wizard Hornsby Is Getting Mad!!!

Maybe Grand Wizard Hornsby can read A) the comments I left when I deleted them, and B) the PM I sent him which explains that those comments in this forum are not acceptable or tolerated.

Look, I am NOT religious at all. I have zero use for it. But, the rules are the rules. You want to talk shit, go to Smacktalk. In this section, you will behave yourself, or you will be denied access.

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The guys behind getting Intelligent Design into schools want adultery to be punishable by death in the good ole US of A.

those crazy fuckers. i say we tar and feather them!:firedevil

Maybe Grand Wizard Hornsby can read A) the comments I left when I deleted them, and B) the PM I sent him which explains that those comments in this forum are not acceptable or tolerated.

Look, I am NOT religious at all. I have zero use for it. But, the rules are the rules. You want to talk shit, go to Smacktalk. In this section, you will behave yourself, or you will be denied access.
yOU SIR, ARE NOT AMERICAN!! YOU'RE HELPING THE ENEMY!!!

does anyone else find it ironic that Islam actually did start out as a religion of peace, but it was only until Al-Queada stepped in that it became, well, batshit insane?

although i suppose you could counter that the Arabic tribes who helped forward Islam weren't exactly peace-lovers... but once an Islamic tribe conquered a nation, they were very tolerant of other religions; the Qu'ran even supported forgiveness of sinners, and not by stoning.

does anyone else find it ironic that Islam actually did start out as a religion of peace, but it was only until Al-Queada stepped in that it became, well, batshit insane?

although i suppose you could counter that the Arabic tribes who helped forward Islam weren't exactly peace-lovers... but once an Islamic tribe conquered a nation, they were very tolerant of other religions; the Qu'ran even supported forgiveness of sinners, and not by stoning.

Umm, have you ever taken a look at what Christians did to forward their religion? It makes Islamic fundamentalists look like a bunch of fucking pansies.

yOU SIR, ARE NOT AMERICAN!! YOU'RE HELPING THE ENEMY!!!

And I am also a mod here and will edit your posts as necessary.

Umm, have you ever taken a look at what Christians did to forward their religion? It makes Islamic fundamentalists look like a bunch of fucking pansies.

well, considering most of what Christians did to forward their religion was actually motivated by secular/political/economic interests (i.e. taking back land from the Ottoman Turks during the Crusades, conquering new land under "Puritanism", etc) while Muslims actually tried to make as many people as possible see the "right way" of Islam...well, the comparison is a little biased, i suppose. but you're right, some of the shit they pulled really does make Islamic fundamentalists look less than manly. i just think the motivations are different. most of Christian domination was for land or money (see Reformation popes) but Islam has always been about following the Prophet.

well, considering most of what Christians did to forward their religion was actually motivated by secular/political/economic interests (i.e. taking back land from the Ottoman Turks during the Crusades, conquering new land under "Puritanism", etc) while Muslims actually tried to make as many people as possible see the "right way" of Islam...well, the comparison is a little biased, i suppose. but you're right, some of the shit they pulled really does make Islamic fundamentalists look less than manly. i just think the motivations are different. most of Christian domination was for land or money (see Reformation popes) but Islam has always been about following the Prophet.

Ok, so that makes it all acceptable? :rolleyes: I don't give a FUCK what the motivation is, you murder people in the name of "religion", you're a fucking prick. How about those wonderful Christians who burned women at the stake, claiming they were witches? What was that for, overdue library books?

im confused. what exactly are you guys arguing about?

they burned them at the stake because they were scared they were witches.

people do crazy shit all the time. eliminating/damnifying any and all religion is not going to change that fact.

I heard that Christians killed more people in the name of god than any other religon.........

I heard that Christians killed more people in the name of god than any other religon.........

I could believe it....

Ok, so that makes it all acceptable? :rolleyes: I don't give a FUCK what the motivation is, you murder people in the name of "religion", you're a fucking prick. How about those wonderful Christians who burned women at the stake, claiming they were witches? What was that for, overdue library books?


i didn't say it was ok or validated. i just said they were different motivations, calm down. i don't condone it, i just like to know why.

and yeah, damning someone else's religion isn't going to change anything. i'm not doing that either.

...although Christians probably have killed more people in the name of God than most, now that I think about it. or at least been sent out to think they're doing it when it was really because the Pope/Emperor/King wanted land and money. funny since the whole Christian message is "Love thy neighbor." :dunno:

I heard that Christians killed more people in the name of god than any other religon.........

yeah, watch out. your friendly next door neighbor church goer might paint a bullseye on your back!

I heard that Christians killed more people in the name of god than any other religon.........

Yeah, I'd say that was very accurate. Sure, in the last 5 years, it seems the "Muslims" (and I use that term very loosely to describe those who have been manipulated by bin Laden) have been totally brutal, but Christianity and Catholocism have by far a more impressive record of bloodshed. It isn't as recent, but the numbers of people killed are significantly higher.

im confused. what exactly are you guys arguing about?

they burned them at the stake because they were scared they were witches.

people do crazy shit all the time. eliminating/damnifying any and all religion is not going to change that fact.

Nobody said anything about eliminating/damning any and all religion... I'm merely pointing out that MOST religions have a history of using violence to eliminate other religions.

Think about it: Religion, or the lack of tolerance for a different religion, have caused 90% of history's wars.

Nobody said anything about eliminating/damning any and all religion... I'm merely pointing out that MOST religions have a history of using violence to eliminate other religions.

Think about it: Religion, or the lack of tolerance for a different religion, have caused 90% of history's wars.

i agree. at least most religions come to be that way. in the beginning they seem to be pretty well-intentioned. it seems that after their "prophet" disappears all the good intentions go to pot.

so you're saying the muslims never fought wars over their religion or killed people who were not faithful to ALLLAAAH?

Think about it: Religion, or the lack of tolerance for a different religion, have caused 90% of history's wars.

i blame people

so you're saying the muslims never fought wars over their religion or killed people who were not faithful to ALLLAAAH?


No, I'm not saying that at all... I'm suggesting that many of today's holier-than-thou Christians are forgetting the history of violence and bloodshed that accompanies the Bible.

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The early Christian church was quickly perverted; Satan's best offense is to infiltrate the Body of Christ, and he did, quickly. True believers don't burn others at the stake or stone people to death. They don't give in to rage and make threats against other forum members or seek to destroy them with words.

"there is no greater commandment than love thy God and love thy neighbor" - following this statement is the hallmark of a true Christian believer. There are many fakes who would rather stick to the old testament (ie judiasm), and of course the catholic "church" came about quickly and became a state sanctioned force of social control, which persists to this day. It's easy to fool yourself thinking you are a Christian while focusing more on the judgemental aspect of biblical scripture than the essence of the saving gospel of Christ. A life of judgement brings judement back onto oneself, a life of saving faith in Jesus Christ brings salvation, and without love it won't happen. Violent Christians are fakes.

It's clear to me that those of you who have a predisposed disgust for people who call themselves Christian because of the evil acts of fakes in history who called themselves the same, comes from ignorance, not ill intent. Read the new testament to see the real essence of true Christianity, as taught by the messiah himself.

Bring on the hatred, I know how much you guys always loved me!

I'm glad you posted that because it brings me to an interesting question (I should probably start a new thread for it but I suppose if it gets long enough I can split it later); Why is it that the New Testament changes a GREAT DEAL of what the old testament had to say about retribution, the propagation of the faith, various social norms, etc. Why would social norms of the time even be included in a testament that I suppose was supposed to exist forever? If God is all-knowing why did He inspire the Old Testament and then revise (if not throw out entirely) it with the coming of the messiah? Shouldn't he have foreseen this? Please don't answer this with your primary reason as faith as I don't see the value of faith in a situation where you're trying to explain or defend a position. Thanks and please don't regard this as an attack or hatred. It's just a compilation of a couple questions I've asked myself.

I'm glad you posted that because it brings me to an interesting question (I should probably start a new thread for it but I suppose if it gets long enough I can split it later); Why is it that the New Testament changes a GREAT DEAL of what the old testament had to say about retribution, the propagation of the faith, various social norms, etc. Why would social norms of the time even be included in a testament that I suppose was supposed to exist forever? If God is all-knowing why did He inspire the Old Testament and then revise (if not throw out entirely) it with the coming of the messiah? Shouldn't he have foreseen this? Please don't answer this with your primary reason as faith as I don't see the value of faith in a situation where you're trying to explain or defend a position. Thanks and please don't regard this as an attack or hatred. It's just a compilation of a couple questions I've asked myself.

from what i gather, the Old Testament is a collection of stories that show how people were and were not supposed to live. God set down the commandments and then watched how people followed them, how the devil intervened, etc. a lot of them just preach absolute faith in God alone, not a specific value or commandment itself. theoretically, the New Testament could be said to be written because the Jews had gotten distracted from their "holy walk" or whatever it's called and a Messiah was required to bring them back to God. therefore, Jesus' message is a lot clearer; it's not a throwing-out of the Old Testament, it's a clarification, since the Old-Testament is mainly just character stories (Esther, Job, Ezekiel, etc.). historically, the New Testament was written at a time of social turmoil, when Roman emperors like Diocletian were terrorizing and persecuting the Jews, and pretty soon the Christians, in Rome, and many of them were either assimilating or converting to Roman culture/religion in order to remain alive. the New Testament served to solidify the values and beliefs of true Christians in the face of adversity. Jesus was the embodiment of these values and a mentor in a troubling time.

so things in the Old Testament, like the Ten Commandments, are still around in the New Testament, but Jesus made the definitions a little narrower, like "Love thy neighbor above all else." faced with the oppression and persecution they were subjected to at this time, a message of toleration was necessary and appealing.

I'm glad you posted that because it brings me to an interesting question (I should probably start a new thread for it but I suppose if it gets long enough I can split it later); Why is it that the New Testament changes a GREAT DEAL of what the old testament had to say about retribution, the propagation of the faith, various social norms, etc. Why would social norms of the time even be included in a testament that I suppose was supposed to exist forever? If God is all-knowing why did He inspire the Old Testament and then revise (if not throw out entirely) it with the coming of the messiah? Shouldn't he have foreseen this? Please don't answer this with your primary reason as faith as I don't see the value of faith in a situation where you're trying to explain or defend a position. Thanks and please don't regard this as an attack or hatred. It's just a compilation of a couple questions I've asked myself.

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The early Christian church was quickly perverted; Satan's best offense is to infiltrate the Body of Christ, and he did, quickly. True believers don't burn others at the stake or stone people to death. They don't give in to rage and make threats against other forum members or seek to destroy them with words.

"there is no greater commandment than love thy God and love thy neighbor" - following this statement is the hallmark of a true Christian believer. There are many fakes who would rather stick to the old testament (ie judiasm), and of course the catholic "church" came about quickly and became a state sanctioned force of social control, which persists to this day. It's easy to fool yourself thinking you are a Christian while focusing more on the judgemental aspect of biblical scripture than the essence of the saving gospel of Christ. A life of judgement brings judement back onto oneself, a life of saving faith in Jesus Christ brings salvation, and without love it won't happen. Violent Christians are fakes.

It's clear to me that those of you who have a predisposed disgust for people who call themselves Christian because of the evil acts of fakes in history who called themselves the same, comes from ignorance, not ill intent. Read the new testament to see the real essence of true Christianity, as taught by the messiah himself.

Bring on the hatred, I know how much you guys always loved me!

Nice to see you back.

The only problem I have with your post is simple: It's really easy to point at everyone else and proclaim them as frauds. Catholic priests who molest little boys? Oh, they're frauds. Did you know they were frauds before they got caught. No.

It's really easy to judge after the fact. How do we know you're not a fraud?

i'M GOING TO BOOOMMBBB THAT PLACE!!! WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOUU?!??!?


-courtesy Jerky Boys

Nice to see you back.

How do we know you're not a fraud?

Thanks, I thought you hated me like meddle so I left. When a mod hates me or the general dipshit level gets too high at a forum I tend to take off. Glad to hear I'm not your enemy.

How do you know I'm not a fake Christian? Lol, wow, I'm surprised you asked. The thing that made me claim the violent self proclaimed Christians were fakes was the fact that they were violent, hateful, proud worshippers of their modified doctrine, not that of Jesus Christ.

You know I'm not a fake because I have never threatened you or anyone else on here, and I am a very peaceful person in the real world outside the forum. It is sort of a throwback to my former buddhist days when I was trying hard to keep myself on the good side of karma. Christianity has its own name for that: reaping what you sow. I'm not Yzf.

damn, we finally drew him out :)

Matthew 10

"So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Gee, this verse is more relevent to the topic, yet you chose not to include it...

I might add that Roman Catholicism is just rehashed false Judiasm....rules, cermonies, shadows, pictures....spiritually dead

Satan does whatever he can to keep people locked away in fortresses of error, blind to the Truth....he has a lie for everyone....myriads of religious systems, lies about origins, lies about God, lies about Christ, lies about human purpose and destiny....to the point where confusion reigns and no one knows truth from error anymore, and the Bible is "just a collection of stories"

tragic...

let God be true and every man a liar

If Roman Catholicism is just rehashed false Judaism, and it follows the Bible, then ALL religions that follow the bible are false, rehashed Judaism.

And it all is blatant plagarism from pagan beliefs anyway.

but God does, and that's all that matters, can you dig it, Kevin?

Matthew 10

"So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

No, I can't dig it. Why? Simple. You have thousands of churches to choose from... Literally thousands. How is a baa-baa little sheep like you, me, or anyone else supposed to figure out which church is a fraud, and which one is the "true path"? According to you, anything Catholic is out, so at least we can cut the number down by a third, but that's still too damn many churches to go to, too much trial and error to find "the way".

it's called discernment my friend, and it's not something anyone is born with

it's the product of a) the Spirit of God, working through the mind of a justified follower of Christ, and b) careful study of God's revealed Word

And how do you get to be a "justified" follower?

BOTH have to be there or satan is free (and able) to propagate his lies, and chaos follows, which is why you had false (hypocritcal) Judaism before Christ and why you have false Christianity (the Roman system) after Christ....Satan is always MOST successful by mixing a little truth with many lies....he doesn't go around waving a flag saying, "Look, here I am!! this is an evil, corrupt system, and wouldn't you like to join me in the path to hell?"

he's smarter than that....alot smarter....and he has deceived uncountable millions

Philippians 1

And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.

Revelation 3, one of Christ's direct statements to the seven churches:

‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

And again, the biblical quotes don't matter much to me... You can't use the book that worships Christ to prove that Christ should be worshipped.

Head's aching........... and no, not from new years.....

damn, we finally drew him out :)


i think i may have had something to do with it.......

the Law given to Moses, circa 1500 B.C. is "plagiarism" of pagan beliefs?? :smokin:

Again, the Bible is just a neat story to teach morals and values, just like Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Norse mythology, etc, etc, etc. It's all a rip off of the same stuff.

well, that is your worthless opinion, based on absolutely nothing

And who, exactly, decides that my opinion is worthless? You?

Tell me, Mark, what chapter and verse is this from? "Judge not, lest ye be judged"?

STFU. Thank you.

thankfully, you will be proven wrong

it truly amazes me when people randomly dismiss the Bible as "just another book", out of pure ignorance/laziness

And it amazes me when people devote their entire life to it out of pure ignorance/laziness.

is God, who spoke the heavens into existence, somehow too weak to perserve His Word? I suppose if you're another evolutionary atheist you just default to the moronic equation of nobody x nothing = the universe and hope life after death is a fantasy, like John Lenon

Greek mythology has been preserved for far longer than the Bible... What does that prove?

um....Greek mythology is not the most widely read text in the world (by far), translated into essentially every known language....duh

It was, however, during the time of it's peak, just like the Bible is now, during the time of it's peak...

furthermore, LONG before the Greek (or the Roman) empire, Israel existed, and the Law and pre-Flood history of the world was recorded in the Books of Moses

but just in case you've been living under a rock, the Greek empire and the Roman empire are long dead....meanwhile, Israel has been re-established and is a thriving nation, and the ancient city, Jerusalem, is the VERY CENTER OF CONFLICT IN THIS WORLD and CONSTANTLY IN THE NEWS

coincidence, huh??

BLIND!!

Yep, and in case you've been living under a rock, during the same times that the guys in Israel were living like fucking monkeys, the Greeks had running water, sewer systems, and philosophy. But yeah, we'll trust the wisdom of the Israelites. :rolleyes:

this is the "peak" time of the Bible, NINETEEN HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE SCRIPTURES WERE COMPLETED IN 90 AD??

you're missing the point: the point is that myths fade away, they come and go, but God's Truth remains because it is timeless, absolutely relevant to the human condition (regardless of how many toys/technology we have), and still changes lives

in fact when the Tribulation arrives, interest in what the Bible says will greatly increase...what is happening in Israel will set up the Tribulation, which is why it's no coincidence Israel was basically a desert from 70 A.D. to the turn of the 20th century, and over the last 100 years Jews have been flooding into that nation

this has nothing to do with Greek mythology, believe me, it's undeniable reality, and what awaits this old world is beyond terrifying

Isaiah 13

Listen, a noise on the mountains,
like that of a great multitude!
Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms,
like nations massing together!
The LORD Almighty is mustering
an army for war.

They come from faraway lands,
from the ends of the heavens—
the LORD and the weapons of his wrath—
to destroy the whole country.

Wail, for the day of the LORD is near;
it will come like destruction from the Almighty.

Because of this, all hands will go limp,
every man's heart will melt.

Terror will seize them,
pain and anguish will grip them;
they will writhe like a woman in labor.
They will look aghast at each other,
their faces aflame.

See, the day of the LORD is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.

The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.

I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.

I will make man scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.

Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.


bah....it'll never happen, right? the world will just go on forever :rolleyes:

*yawn* And you can actually PROVE all of this? No, of course not. You have your faith and your fairy tale, but you don't have an ounce of proof that one word in that book is true.

*yawn* And you can actually PROVE all of this? No, of course not. You have your faith and your fairy tale, but you don't have an ounce of proof that one word in that book is true.
Exactly what I was thinking....including the yawn.:)

well, that is your worthless opinion, based on absolutely nothing

thankfully, you will be proven wrong

it truly amazes me when people randomly dismiss the Bible as "just another book", out of pure ignorance/lazinessClassic. :bigthumb:

sadly, most human beings will be rejected

Yea, I guess its all depends on which masked avenger in the sky you buy into.

The universe is just too big and entirely too complex to have come from absolutely nothing and form itself from nothing. Obviously if you're capable of thinking your way through any task, you can take half an hour and figure out there is a God.

Don't reply, just think.

yes, despite the overwhelming evidence of scriptural truth (at least to me), faith is required

faith is always required, no matter what you believe....if you think the universe creating itself from *nothing* or bacteria morphing into humans doesn't require faith, you're delusional, but that is the nature of whimisical human opinion:

you only know what you've been told/experienced in your (very) short life, and you only believe what you can perceive....you're just another standard human being

sadly, most human beings will be rejected

Yet somehow, you decide your faith is better than all our faiths? Where is your certificate from God saying that you get higher trade in value on your faith than I do on mine?

This is the issue that I have:

How do u or anyone know for sure, besides "blind" faith that (ur version of) the bible is the right one?

Afterall, didn't the catholic church exist prior to american christianity as we know it?

I've raised this question up in the "other" forum and have yet to get an answer that is objective and filled with facts as oppose to a subjective belief/faith that ur brand of bible is the number one stunna........

I have to agree that the "everyday person" completely misconstrues the Bible... Look at yourself, for example. You spout it, but don't live it. You proclaim it, yet go totally against almost all the teachings.

Most "devout Christians" I've met are hypocrites. You included. (Hint: Here's where you get mad and tell us all how you are going to smash our faces in, or shoot us with your shotgun, etc, etc, etc.)

I still think you'll go on a multi-state murder spree... Just remember, go west, young man!

Just an FYI, it was really annoying to me and at least one other person that the thread was titled "Muslim" when it is more appropriate to be titled "Islam", so I changed it.

so I flatly reject your pronouncements of judgment...And substitute your own reality.

you are judging because you're making personal statements about my character, and I always refrain from that, unless I'm falsely accused.Well, unless they're fags or infidels, right? :wink: :wink: :nudge: :nudge:

your's is the typical, oft-repeated, high brow condemnation/judgment/cop-outSo what do you call your typical, oft-repeated, high-handed, long-winded, and utterly predictable condemnation/judgement/regurgitation/tirades?

Two words: hypocritical bullshit.

take a few minutes and read the primer on Bible history in the "Forbidden Book" thread....answers most of these questions

the catholic church OPPOSED the Bible being made available to the common man, they still believe only the pope can understand it (as ridiculous as that idea is), not the every day person

so they martyred thousands in their lust for control/power....they even attempted to re-write the scriptures (!)

but God always preserves a remnant, and always preserves His Word against the forces that would seek to eliminate it....remember, God chose a FEW, not the majority, God doesn't need the masses, His power is "magnified in [human] weakness"....don't believe for one second that 70 to 90% of Americans are "Christian", absolute nonsense

Matthew 7

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Much of this "information", if not all of it is not first hand for u. It's information that has been passed on down and perhaps adulterated with a dash of hidden agendas.

I tend to question these sources and their merits based on these issues.

Even being raised Catholick, I have questioned practices such as collecting $$$$ for the needy.

The vatican seem to have a wealth of material goods, the richest religon on earth and yet, they need to collect $$$ for the poor, who I think is a victim of having too many kids where quality control is at a minimal, if that.

YZF, do u ever question ur beliefs and it's practices?

YZF, do u ever question ur beliefs and it's practices?

$5 says you already know the answer to that one

True, the Catholicks have a very colorful history of red, orange and yellow.

But the Christian Coalition (which I believe that u are a part of) is on the fast track to take helm of the Christian Jihadist role.

Just look at their support of attacking the mid-east.

Look at their medical practices where they place a palm on ur forehead and exclaim, "COME OUT!!!."

ur first 2 paragraphs goes back to my original point that how do we know what ur taught and what u read is the real deal?

talk to any islam and/or jew and they will think that ur the crack pot and have some neo-chritian book that was invented by the mentally ill.

and there will be a constant rebuttal going back and forth on who is right and wrong.

That's how religious wars start and why i got turned off.

besides, in hell, the pussy is hotter.

besides, in hell, the pussy is hotter.

And fresher on earth.......