So... Java isn't platform specific, and works with all major database programs via interfaces...

I'm hearing that Java is the language to pursue, becauase of the reasons listed above... most companies are wanting their programs written in Java...

What do you guys think?

[If you don't know anything about it, please, don't post]

On a serious note...

Our M&CS department has recently moved to Java from C++ as their programming platform here because of that exact reason. Apparently, companies want graduates who are profiecient with Java. And with JVM, java can run on anything, including cell phones and smart appliances. I'm sure i'm not telling you anything you don't already know though.

Java is a great programming language, but i've yet to learn it proficiently. I'm more of a VB.net guy myself, but i'm sure the syntax isn't hard to learn if you're pretty good at learning programming languages anyway.

Microsoft's .Net is trying to pursue the same path as Java with being able to run on anything, so i'd say it'd be good to be proficient with .Net languages as well as Java.

Java's really good about open source too...

and you don't have to run out and buy any SDK's... you can download eclipse which is an open source gui for java programming... read job listings for java jobs, lots require that you're very familiar with eclipse.

ive heard many companies code programs in java and then kill development and switch to something else after seeing how shit slow the application runs.

of course, anything is possible in the future. IMO get good with it anyway. OOP is OOP in any language at the end of the day, and java's nuances are by far much less complicated then other languages you'll invariably learn anyway. (C++)

I like everything about Java, except the speed.

Its more versatile than C++ certainly.

If they could make it faster I would love it.

I like everything about Java, except the speed.

Its more versatile than C++ certainly.

If they could make it faster I would love it.

The speed sux, but hopefully it'll get better sooner than later. When I run Java apps on my machine, it sucks up a good bit of power, and I have a fairly powerful machine.

C++ sux. I hate it with a passion.

JAVA is a good language to learn, and there is a high demand for it. However, don't get yourself "locked in" to one single language. JAVA is in high demand, but that doesn't mean that jobs for other languages don't exist.

To prove this:
Do a www.monster.com search in the larger cities near you.
Search all categories
In the keywords field, put all the languages you know separated by commas ie - "C++, Visual Basic, VB, SQL, HTML, JAVA"
Notice that I didn't use VB.NET, because there is still plenty of VB 6.0 jobs available. Key words VB and Visual Basic will pick up both.

There are plenty of JAVA jobs returned, but notice that there are many jobs for many other languages. Not saying you can't have a strong point or "forte", just not to lock yourself in.

I've read that a lot of java programs don't run as efficiently as they can because of programmers using variables that require more memory when initialized than they really need... 1000's those in a program add up i'm sure.

For example, float and double.

I've read that a lot of java programs don't run as efficiently as they can because of programmers using variables that require more memory when initialized than they really need... 1000's those in a program add up i'm sure.

For example, float and double.

That's bad programming, and I despise all who use unecessary datatypes.

I've read that a lot of java programs don't run as efficiently as they can because of programmers using variables that require more memory when initialized than they really need... 1000's those in a program add up i'm sure.

For example, float and double.
That is bad programming practice, be it JAVA or otherwise. I think I have a book at home that covers a lot of things for streamlining JAVA code. When I get home, I'll post the title for ya. I think I'll assign it as required reading for you ;)

Dot-Net fucking sucks. As far as java goes, it's nice that the same code runs on every platform, but man is it slow. Have you ever actually *used* a Java app?

Personally C++ is the way to go. Fairly easily compiled for different platforms.

the name of the book is "JAVA Performance Tuning". Published by O'Reilly and written by Jack Shirazi.

I picked this up the other day at Books a Million for $14.99, so far it seems pretty good.

I'm really having lots of fun with this now...

Experienced java programmers (5+ years) can get $75k-$100k a year and pwn jimlab.

Experienced java programmers (5+ years) can get $75k-$100k a year and pwn jimlab.Sorry to burst your bubble, but it'll take more than that to "pwn" me. I manage ~300 program managers and test leads who manage teams of testers and developers of their own...

Sounds like jimlab is into "upper management", which means that he is likely WELL into the 6 digit salary. Sorry king, but it will be quite some time until you can say you "pwn" him. BUT, $75 - 100,000 is pretty good for a programmer.

I knew that'd get some posts in here....

And my wife is a General Manager of a Marriott... :)

a single hotel?

a single hotel?That's typically how it works... she's 7 years younger than I am, of course.

Being proud enough of 20k to take a picture of it and show it off on the internet is not conducive of someone as wealthy as you insist you are.


Your wife manages a low end hotel = my cat shits in a litter box. Big deal.

I love word games on illstreet....

"Manager of a hotel" becomes "General Manager of a chain".