While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said;
-" No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
-"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37)
-"God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

I LOLed when Jesus said that no one had seen or heard God ant any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God. :bigthumb:

that is what John said. However, below is what Jesus said

While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said;
-" No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
-"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37)
-"God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

I LOLed when Jesus said that no one had seen or heard God ant any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God. :bigthumb:

hmmmm what about this?
We all know Jesus performed many miracles, but he himself admitted that the power he had was not of his own, but derived from God.
-"Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19)
-"I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)

HA! So Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and therefore, Jesus is not God

Tuffer one for ya, brah. When speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge;
-"but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36)

Does not god know all? And gods knowledge is without any limitations, right? So jesus said, of his own admission, that he did not know when the day of judgment would be, and is clear proof that jesus is not all-knowing, and that jesus is therefore not god.

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not 'Three', Refrain, better it is for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him – that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)

i find it fascinating that holy books can differ from another. and what i feel is the same of these two at least are both have a love story about a powerful being needing a son.

not sure i buy that. a son is a spawn of

i think all holy books are flawed. I'm not surprised you found one in the big Q

While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said;
-" No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
-"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37)
-"God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)



I thought Moses had heard the voice of God. Bible guys, am I right on that?

I thought Moses had heard the voice of God. Bible guys, am I right on that?

You are correct, sir! That just blew my mine there! You just let the air out of the tire for the truck to pass through under the bridge. You just saved the company millions for putting less tomatoes on the salad, etc, etc, etc.!!!!!!!!111!!1AAAA!1!!!!!!

Moses saw god as well...
-"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." (Exodus 33:11)
-"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face." (Deuteronomy 34:10)

Of course, the fable contradiction ever present from the same author. This is why, imo, that the bible cant be trusted as a reliable source for spiritual matters due to Man's impure letters. Thus....:

-"Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put theein a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." (Exodus 33:20-23)

"I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me.

is not god the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and does he not call upon nor pray to anyone? but jesus, however, did acknowledged that there was one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed. remember this gem?
-"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17)
-"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46)

lol if jesus was god, then couldn't this be read "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?" that would be pure bullcrap if you asked me.

How about prayer?
-"Our Father,..." (Luke 11:2-4) was he praying to himself?
-"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt 26:36-39) Was jesus praying to himself again?

Soooooooo, jesus, of his own admission, and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped and prayed to another being as god, and Mark's quote of jesus talking about his father, god, is clear proof that jesus himself is not god.

um i think what has been said by czar is very valid and he has been extreamly civil in his questions and even quoting direct passages, to answer him with that last post is complete BS just because you don't know how to answer him, you know YZF it is ok not to know everything

Thanks for getting my back again Misty. but i count on mark to go off from topic and then smacktalk to divert attention to biblical failings.

then again, let's consider the source of the arguments here


actually, my source is from jesus. here, i found a pic to remind you where hence the words are from

http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3113&stc=1&d=1233532493

I told you i'll do shit like that when you revert to smacktalk in this section.

blah, you're a piece of shit, as always...and you've been decimated
why, because of this pic? once i find where he is buried, ill take a shit on him too.

http://www.theforumlounge.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3113&stc=1&d=1233532493

lol decimated. What good did that word do? probably made a bunch of puny xtains feel better. very well, i was not offended from it. But why should I worry? Jesus himself isn't god. My thread proves a lot of mistakes even from Jesus himself. He just doesn't have a good memory. if he did, then yes, he probably wouldn't have said the things he did if he remembered the old testament or what ever it was called back then. probably the 'Comic Book'. But I guess he was only a human with a boner for little boys. good game, Mark. Please post mor smacktalk. For I will continue taking a shit on your bible as you continue to do so.

jesus talked a lot about hell. since jesus isn't god, where this thread proved that jesus was just another dumb sand/Vigger, then it just means jesus was scaring his audience. he never saw hell. but he did see a good whipping that tore into his faggot skin and he bled. convincingly, like a human being.

there is no hell for you nor I. I am not scared. You are...i laff.

I'm out

lol not really. you like the abuse cuz you grew up to a dad that punked you with a different rhetoric than yours. you'll be back, I'll be here. it'll be home.

god bless,
love czar :bigthumb:

this is why debating ignorant hacks is such a complete waste of time...people who mindlessly cut and paste little snippets out of context and run off on a tangent



Dude, that's what you do with every single talk about the Quran. Hello, pot? This is the kettle. You're black.

Oh, but I'm not done folks. for the rest of you who will stay, Uncle czar has more indications that jesus was not god. perhaps the clearest indication we have that jesus and god are not equal, come again from the mouth of Jesus himself:
-"My Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)

When someone referred to him as a "good master" in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." lol jesus owns himself a lot, huh?

further more, jesus drew a better distinction between himself and god by quoting this lovely sentence;
-"I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) wow, just wow.

Oh, another point. almost forgot. jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said:
-"not my will but thine be done," (Luke 22:42)
-"I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) which our friend Mark just quoted earlier today. Not sure he realize he owned himself there. Oh yeah he did. that is why he reverted back to smacktalk. tsk tsk

Anyway, jesus did indeed admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative because he said he was directed to do so. Next, he did acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another. Both gave clear proof that Jesus was not the supreme one and therefore jesus is not god.

I need bolder xtains to dispute this. Any alive?
I rest my case.
jesus :owned:

the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible; thus shown here in this thread. If there is a god, he is One, not a watered down three. He is, and if not, should be, a perfect unity. That would be a god worthy of my worship.

God damn right this section is mine. better wipe your feet before entering.

i know a few passages in the Q that tells of jesus as only a son...not a god.

Muslim? yer an ignorant fuck. the qur'an its Islam. but if I am, it surely is none of your business.

And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'... yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159).

a witness here of the resurrection of jesus. claiming jesus' dad rose him from death. proves that indeed jesus isnt god.

you have often heard the claim that jesus is god, the second person in the "holy trinity". however, the very bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about jesus and as the basis for doctrine within christianity clearly belies this claim. I have offered bible passages for your inspection and I urge you to consult your own bible and verify that the above conclusions were not drawn out of context.

thus...