Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.
The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".

Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

I need to mod this section...Said Winnie the Pooh, volunteering to guard the honey pot...

You'd just delete everything you didn't agree with. Why don't you just start your own religious forum?

I don't think you get it. No one wants to "debate" Religion with you. They just want to post something to offend you and then watch you run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

You're cheap entertainment. Nothing more.

can we get worthless crap like this deleted?



How is it worthless? He's citing published material, just like you do.

I personally doubt that it's true, mostly because I think advocates for the legalization of marijuana want to believe Jesus, FDR, Napoleon, and the frickin' Easter Bunny all use marijuana to try to give it any form of legitimacy they can. It's like homosexuals who have to turn every single issue into a gay rights thing. Regardless, everyone has a point of view, and theirs is just as valid as yours.


I need to mod this section.

Request denied. :)

you're not the owner of this forum :)

Yeah, but I do have a little bit of say. Not much, but probably enough to deny you turning this section into your little kingdom... It's good to be a supermod. :)

funny, Jim, I've heard the EXACT same thing about you....in fact you've been referred to as an "internet prima donna"That's pretty funny, coming from you.

You've been on the RX-7 Club forum for over 4 years now and you haven't started a single memorable technical thread in the 3rd gen. forum. In fact, all you've managed to do is get yourself banned numerous times while sermonizing and arguing about religion in between. Of course, I guess that's to be expected on an car forum... :rolleyes:

I have very little patience for those go out of their way to blaspheme what I (and others) consider sacred.Then keep it to yourself and quit trying to shove it in people's faces. Be a nutso Christian on your own time.

no thread on the third gen section is "memorable" to you, except your own ego-stroking pontifications.Don't rupture yourself trying to use big words Mark.

you're a legend in your own mind...I'm a legend in a lot of people's minds, actually. You're just a pain in their asses.

I've been waiting for a thread like this!

Good show.

I think God created people like you just for the sheer enjoyment of watching the inevitable (and exceedingly painful) humiliationWeak.

:sleep:

Kevin,

I couldn't care less about this sub-forum being "my little kingdom"....however, I have very little patience for those go out of their way to blaspheme what I (and others) consider sacred....I wouldn't do that to anyone and expect the
same

and I think Mr. COsborne shares my view



Hey Mark, there's a phone call for you... It's hypocrisy on line one.

You would never do that? Calling what I believe a fairy-tale isn't blaspheming? Calling Islam the Devil's handiwork isn't shitting all over other people's beliefs?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Mark, we all know you far too well. I don't even know how you can try to pull that shit around here.

Now... Allah is another name for God. Not your God, granted, but God nonetheless.

So wouldn't saying that Allah is a false God still be blasphemy?

Whats blasphemous to one may not be blasphemous to another.

And you're stating your opinion as fact again. I can quote lots of holy books, that doesn't make them facts.

Thats the point of faith: you don't need support for faith.

Ah, but you see that requires that your OPINION be right.

It is your OPINION that Jesus held the truth. It is the OPINION of the Dalai Lama that Siddartha Gautama held the truth.

Its one thing to discount crackpots like Anton La Vey, who was seen as odd even by his followers. Its quite another to say that you ARE RIGHT because an old book says so.

Your OPINION will be FACT when God reveals itself to the world in a form and with an agenda that supports you.

Until then it is OPINION based upon an old book and your own personal faith.

Notice that I do not say you are wrong for holding this OPINION. I don't agree with you, but I admit that you may be right. Maybe your way of seeing it is, in fact truth.

In which case I ask only that you mock me during my eternal damnation.

I'll be terrified of hell (I am now) and feeling very blessed to be in God's kingdom, if I do make it...You won't. That's a foregone conclusion.

and you will?I'd have to believe in heaven first, wouldn't I?

However, I'm quite certain that if there is a heaven, your name isn't on the guest list either.

what you believe won't effect what occurs the moment after deathThe call to the mortuary?

Of course the Quaran borrows personalities from the bible.

Mohammed claimed that it was the word of God, passed to him because God was tired of everyone getting it wrong.

Rather like that wacky Joseph Smith guy actually.

These radical christian people just irritate the shit out of me. Here's some food for thought...

So if I live my life by educating myself, get married, start a family, and rear my children to the best of my ability and ensure that they are "productive" citizens of society(doctors, educators, etc.), i'm going to hell because I don't believe in your water to wine bullshit? :rolleyes:

If God is going to punish me for not believing some fairly tale bullshit(Noah and and the arc, Water to wine, Moses parting the red sea), then he can keep his green pastures and streets of gold as far as i'm concerned.

A lot of these same people who are so "christian" like have more issues than the people who just concentrate on reality. And i'll be damned if I give up 10% of my hard earned dollars to hear someone tell these radicals what they want to hear once a week.

then he can keep his green pastures and streets of gold as far as i'm concerned.



Actually, the pope reported backl that heaven wasn't that opulent.

no, it's not blaspheming, it's the plain truth....what you believe and what you are (a witch) IS a false religion, and it's straight out of hell

offensive? yes, to you....but not blasphemous....get a dictionary, I just owned you, again

the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity

And from earlier in the thread:

I couldn't care less about this sub-forum being "my little kingdom"....however, I have very little patience for those go out of their way to blaspheme what I (and others) consider sacred....I wouldn't do that to anyone and expect the same

Why don't you get out your dictionary and look up "contradiction".

So, me saying that the Bible is a fairytale story book is blaspheming, but you saying that pagan beliefs are a fairytale isn't?

As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is just as much bullshit as you claim any pagan beliefs are. The only thing is, I don't give a fuck what you think of my religion (or lack thereof), but you get your panties in a twist about what we think of yours.

Hypocrite? Yep, you sure as hell are.

These radical christian people just irritate the shit out of me. Here's some food for thought...

So if I live my life by educating myself, get married, start a family, and rear my children to the best of my ability and ensure that they are "productive" citizens of society(doctors, educators, etc.), i'm going to hell because I don't believe in your water to wine bullshit? :rolleyes:

If God is going to punish me for not believing some fairly tale bullshit(Noah and and the arc, Water to wine, Moses parting the red sea), then he can keep his green pastures and streets of gold as far as i'm concerned.

A lot of these same people who are so "christian" like have more issues than the people who just concentrate on reality. And i'll be damned if I give up 10% of my hard earned dollars to hear someone tell these radicals what they want to hear once a week.

Well said.

Plus, I refuse to believe in or worship a God that rules through fear. "Believe, or rot in hell!!!!"

wow, great thread

God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humbleIn case you hadn't noticed, you're anything but humble. Good luck with the burning in hell thing.

wow, great threadYeah, just what this forum needed... the religious asshole the RX-7 Club forum didn't want.

In case you hadn't noticed, you're anything but humble. Good luck with the burning in hell thing.



:werd:

like so many, you consider yourself "good" and generally "moral", and fail to recognize your own depravity, relative to God's righteousness...

Staring in the mirror while you type that?

actually I am a humble person, many could attest to that....no one here has met me

what's miscontrued as "pride" on this forum is merely supreme confidence and boldness in the truth


Looks alot like pride and obstinance from here.

actually I am a humble person, many could attest to that....no one here has met meWhy would anyone want to?

what's miscontrued as "pride" on this forum is merely supreme confidence and boldness in the truthYou've said that before, but it still smells an awful lot like pride in the level of your own dedication.

2 Corinthians 3Maybe you should consider not quoting from the Bible every chance you get. You act as if you get a personal call from God if you don't quote some scripture in at least three or four posts a day. That's probably chief among the reasons why no one wants you around. Quoting ICR and other web sites would be right up there too.

Try being "just one of the guys" for a change. You'd be surprised how many people would be more tolerant of you if you weren't so insistent on playing Super Religious Asshole all the time. Of course that leaves us out, because we already know you.

Pride and confidence are twin brothers.

Indeed it might be said that pride is a case of overconfidence.

Besides, you can't be confident and meek at the same time.

I've always read that to mean they booted Jesus for talking big talk, but not backing it up with evidence.

That whole passage is him speaking graciously about the miracles he has performed elswhere. Then saying that he's not going to do anything there.

Well no shit they didn't believe in him. Thats like tying a sandwich on a string and pulling it across the freeway in front of a hungry man. Of course he's going to be pissed and not like you.

Christ did not perform many mircales in Nazareth, because of unbeliefFunny, you'd think that would have been the perfect opportunity to get off a few good miracles and set the record straight for once and for all...

Israel WILL BE the focus of world events in 2006 and beyond.Well, one of them, at any rate, and only because the races and religions in that area of the world have never been able to get along. China will be the main focus of world events in the coming years. The ongoing soap opera in the middle east is just a B-movie by comparison.

interesting that Revelation predicts China and her allies will field a militia of 200,000,000 soldiers that will march into Israel in the future

only until recent times was such a militia even possible

unrest in the middle east will be central to world events, until a world leader rises to power from the E.U. and brings a religious and political solution to the problem

in that sense, old Europe (the "revived Roman Empire") will be a dominant power


I'll make sure I have my popcorn and beer handy.

interesting that Revelation predicts China and her allies will field a militia of 200,000,000 soldiers that will march into Israel in the futureReally? Perhaps you can quote that section of the Bible, because I must have missed it. In fact, I don't remember CHINA being mentioned anywhere. I guess this is another one of those "you have to read between the lines and squint" truths?

unrest in the middle east will be central to world events, until a world leader rises to power from the E.U. and brings a religious and political solution to the problemOr until someone sends enough people over there to make them knock it the fuck off...

Really? Perhaps you can quote that section of the Bible, because I must have missed it. In fact, I don't remember CHINA being mentioned anywhere. I guess this is another one of those "you have to read between the lines and squint" truths?


You didn't get the most recent translation? After a few beers you can roughly make out "Made in China" in Aramaic.. ;)


Or until someone sends enough people over there to make them knock it the fuck off...

Or one little bomb and one glass parking lot later. :shocked:

they are referred to as the "Kings of the East" (China and her allies)....look it upSee, there you go again, confusing interpretation with truth.

Considering the localized population at the time of the writing of the Bible, the "Kings of the East" could have been the goat humpers a couple villages away.

200,000,000 of them?Any large number could have been substituted. It's irrelevant at that point anyway.

there weren't that many people on the entire planet, by a long shotIt wasn't exactly being prophesied to take place on the next Sunday...

interesting that Revelation predicts China and her allies will field a militia of 200,000,000 soldiers that will march into Israel in the future



Let's see the Bible verse this is coming from.

200,000,000 of them?

there weren't that many people on the entire planet, by a long shot

Yeah, because we know the guys that dreamed up the Bible never exaggerated. Of course, 6000 years ago, people were living to 700+ years old. :rofl:

Quick little google search:

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.
2 And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the
earth have power.
4 And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.
6 And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth
from them.
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces.
8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of heir wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war.
10 And they have tails like unto scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men five months.
11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue
he hath the name Apollyon.
12 The first Woe is past: behold, there come yet two Woes hereafter.
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 one saying to the sixth angel that had one trumpet, Loose the four angels that are bound at the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, that had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.
16 And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates as of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone: and the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceedeth fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three plagues was the third part of men killed, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths.
19 For the power of the horses is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails are like unto serpents, and have heads; and with them they hurt.
20 And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 and they repented not of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of heir fornication, nor of their thefts.

Show me how that ties into China, because I don't see it. Is this the correct verse Marky?

Fun fact about this little chapter... It was also the inspiration for Charles Manson!

There may be far more than "200 thousand thousand" Chinese, but I doubt the final battle will be fought without a few thousand MIGs. I don't suppose the fact that the writers of the Bible missed that detail would be any reason to cast doubt on the "200 thousand thousand" figure... assuming they all showed up and there were no illnesses or relatives suddenly visiting from out of town who must be entertained... or the rest of it. No reason to dry up the Euphrates if the horsemen are all in MIGs.

"Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked."

See, every once in awhile, you'll stumble on some useful advice. Watch out, or you'll lose your pants.

you have to remember that the first 3-1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation is chartacterized by world peace (beginning with peace in the middle east!), and. most likely, some level of disarmament and/or a move away from fossil fuels....the world will be caught completely off guard by these events

Except you and your band of Super-Crusaders. I'm sure you'll be vigilant in your watch. :rolleyes:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/MariC.htm

"Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth....to you it will be for meat.... And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)

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Alright JC!!! :D

Revelation 9 introduces this vast army

The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God. It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

then Revelation 16 (NIV) expounds on who they are, and where their power originates (satan)...just fyi, the beast is the future world dictator who rules from Rome, and the false prophet is the false Messiah in Israel

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the Kings from the East. Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.


Ok, the Euphrates river starts in Turkey and runs down through Iraq, so using your bizarre logic, then the middle east (mainly Iran/Iraq), Russia, and China are allies?

Ok, the Euphrates river starts in Turkey and runs down through Iraq, so using your bizarre logic, then the middle east (mainly Iran/Iraq), Russia, and China are allies?
You want Mark to suddenly start using logic? That won't do at all.

i would like to know how 'the East' is automatically assumed as China and its allies. considering John wrote The Revelation from Patmos, in Greece, addressed it to churches within Turkey, and at that time there was little to no contact between Rome and her allies and China, how is it that these Kings of the East are Chinese? i mean, do we even know how far east these kings are coming from? they might well have been of Roman origin, or at least part of the extensive Roman empire because Diocletian (emperor at this time) was having a grand old time persecuting Christians all around Saint John.

yes, but how is it possible for John to even know of China and thereby write about it, if the first documented evidence of Jews in China (i.e. Jewish contact with the Chinese) was in the 7th century, hundreds of years after the death of Saint John?

um, just because a place exists doesn't mean everyone everywhere knew about it.

i believe the natives in the Americas weren't discovered till, earliest, the 10th century. and those civilizations had been around for centuries. Mayans, anyone?

Jews wouldn't have had access to China if it wasn't discovered by the rulers they lived under. ancient peoples weren't able to just spontaneously appear places; they had to march on war campaigns, conquering cities as they went and returning home periodically. Even Alexander the Great wasn't able to make it past India.

as usual, you're looking at it from a human perspective

As opposed to your godlike perspective?


John likely did not understand 99% of what he saw or heard

John was sort of like you I take it.


God is the author of scripture, which you probably reject anyway

Your scripture isn't even in its original dialect. how do you know the translation is correct? That's right you just assume it is because it's "god's word".

as usual, you're looking at it from a human perspective

John likely did not understand 99% of what he saw or heard in the vision, but he wrote down what he saw and heard ,from God

God is the author of scripture, which you probably reject anyway

i don't reject that at all, actually. not very nice of you to make so harsh an assumption. i am a believer, but i don't advocate being forcibly preached at by someone as arrogant as yourself--and i use this word in the sense that you absolutely refuse to even vaguely consider what anyone else says, whether or not it's Scriptural (for instance, a historical question: did the Israelites have access to China?)--who refuses to get off his high-horse. Jesus was humble. not a jerk.

Catholicism IS a branch of Christianity. it's called a 'denomination', look it up. any dictionary will tell you.

abrupt? hardly.

and since when is a wimp qualified as someone providing a viewpoint differing from your own, thereby initiating a provoking discussion? since when is a wimp someone who questions the presented opinion? as i understand it, a wimp is someone who nods quietly and acquiesces to the predominating thought regardless their own point of view.

that is your worthless opinion

no Bible scholar or learned pastor agrees with you!

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/catholic.htm

Wow, you have a website for everything! That whole not thinking for yourself thing must be a blast.

that is your worthless opinion

no Bible scholar or learned pastor agrees with you!

and i'm sure you've spoken to all of them.

the majority of believers believe that Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity, just not the denomination they choose to follow. Martin Luther never said that Catholicism wasn't a religion, but that it needed reform--he then formed a NEW DENOMINATION CALLED LUTHERANISM. look it up in a history book, it's called the Protestant Reformation. plenty of learned pastors agree with me, because it is a common fact. and how dare you call my opinion worthless, when you trot about refusing to acknowledge any thought system but your own? only a truly learned person can come to terms with the fact that NO opinion is worthless, regardless the degree to which it differs from his own.

well, friend, you're clearly of the close-minded and opinionated masses that refuse to accept any view but what they can see out of their squinting eyes. i feel very sorry for you. i know plenty of Christians who are perfectly willing to accept that there are other views and perspectives out in the world around us, yet they are still extremely devoted to God and live happy lives.

actually, i never said Catholicism WASN'T corrupted and responsible for thousands of deaths. i just said that it, nevertheless, is a denomination of Christianity, however twisted it has become.

pssst: "denominations" are another example of extra-Biblical man made teachings! the church is one!

ok. :dunno:

my discernment isn't under scrutiny here. your reluctance to accept other opinions floating around is. and who exactly are these 'great teachers'? i haven't heard of them except when you bring them up while regurgitating some website. but if they are as close-minded as you, then they clearly don't preach to as wide a congregation as you might think--not that many people are willing to simply disregard every other point of view in the world.

that is your worthless opinionI really couldn't care less what you think, you're wrongok, whateverClassic Mark. No wonder everyone thinks you're a douche bag.

I live in a world of foolsPossibly, but that doesn't change the fact that you're still a douche bag.

i haven't yet delved into these 'great teachers' you mention; i prefer to read objective documents that can give me an outsider's unbiased point of view, then apply my own belief systems to it. conversely, have you read anything BUT the writings of these 'great teachers'? any historian's works, anthropologists, biologists, archeologists who have studied these fields and reached their own conclusions? have you explored any OTHER points of view not for how true or false they are, but for their merit and the pure desire to increase your knowledge and understanding of the world around you? i would love to say you haven't, but unlike you i try not to jump to harsh and generally incorrect assumptions ('you're an idiot', 'you're wrong', etc.).

and if you shouldn't be engaging in debates like this, then why are you?

but I'm the "douche bag" who's RIGHT, because I know what the Word says, in my 30 years of studying it....and that's all that matters to meNo, you're the douche bag who is prostituting your own religion to make yourself feel good.

This isn't about bringing the word of God to other people, and you don't comport yourself in anything even approaching a Christian manner. This is about you finding the nearest soap box so you can rant hellfire and damnation at other people to pump yourself up, and you haven't been able to quit since you started 4 years ago. You're not high on religion, you're high on yourself.

You want to know what's sad? That's sad. Your inability to leave the RX-7 Club forum after being banned repeatedly for your behavior is one of the most pathetic displays I've ever seen. When it comes right down to it, you're nothing without an audience to witness your posturing. Welcome to the rest of your miserable life.

That's the best you could come up with? I freely admit that I'm a self-centered egotistical asshole. Have I ever claimed or pretended to be otherwise?

You, on the other hand... Even JoeD had the dignity to leave after he was banned, but you? No, you've got to have your fix. You pimp God for your own glory Mark, and if it turns out that you are right about his existence, you'll pay for it.

Chew on that for awhile, chump.

i'm still on it, actuallyWhat do you want, a cookie? You've had more accounts than Eric Cheatham.

just sold your poorly researched nylon bushings for $650Didn't take long to sell them, did it. Ever done any research on suspension design and bushing materials? No, I didn't think so.

um, tell me, Jim, exactly how do I get ANY glory out of this?

am I missing something?

I'm hated, and called every name in the book....if anything I'm a masochistYou tell me. You're the one who can't seem to let it drop. You don't have to come on a new forum and pick up right where you left off on the last one, you know.

You love being the center of attention, even if it's negative attention.

I don't enjoy being hated, no one doesIf that's the truth, then why do you act the way you do?

It should be clear by now that you're the root of the problem. It's not like you showed up, went about minding your own business, and people suddenly just decided to take a disliking to you. You bring this on yourself. After FOUR FUCKING YEARS, shouldn't the pattern be blatantly obvious?!?

I also don't understand why you can't just ignore these threads if they really offend you that much.The threads don't offend me, Mark. I have no problem with religion. You offend me.

Jim 11:14

And Mark did arise like a boil on the ass of society.
And verily didst everyone hate his sorry cut-n-pasting ass.

Amen.

why can't others discuss the topic?In case you hadn't noticed, no one else is discussing the topic. When they try, you tell them they worship a false religion or something equally tactful. How is that a discussion? Even the people who would otherwise be on "your" side think you're an ass.

truth is, YOU like to be the center of attention....everywhereTrue, but you won't succeed that easily in shifting the focus off yourself. You wanted the limelight, so you earned everything that comes with it.

Israel is essentially the "center" of the world in the Bible...Europe is the west, present day Russia the north, Africa the south and China the east, from a global perspective (i.e. the prophets and Revelation speak of the entire world being drawn into war...culminating in Israel, Armageddon...Megiddo)

Wow, a book about Israel thinks Israel is the most important place in the world...

Oh, there's a surprise! What a huge surprise! I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from "not surprised".

that is your worthless opinion

no Bible scholar or learned pastor agrees with you!

And nobody other than a Bible scholar or learned pastor agrees with you... And since those two groups are outnumbered, oh, 10000 to 1, I think you should keep that tactic under wraps.

And, again, who exactly gave you the right to judge the worth of someone's opinion?

um, just because a place exists doesn't mean everyone everywhere knew about it.



Exactly, because the Israelites sure didn't know about North and South America.

Mark, you're running out of excuses.

who exactly gave you the right to judge the worth of someone's opinion?I know! I know! Mark did. He's the worldly representative for God until Jesus returns from his lunch break.

bold faced lie, JimAlways trying to shift attention away from yourself when things get too hot. Same old Mark.

you're a liar, and a biggotAs you're so fond of saying, look in the mirror.

So what happened that made you like this? Did daddy make one too many midnight visits to your bedroom when you were a child? After you developed a hankering for it, did the little boy next door tell you that you couldn't touch his pee-pee any more? Spill the beans, Mark. Enquiring minds want to know why you're so loony and a veritable powder keg of rage...

just calling a spade a spadeFunny how you seem to have a blind spot where your own actions are concerned. Wonder why.

I've also noticed how, over the years, you went from the guy on these boards who genuinely seemed to want to help people, to the incredibly cyncial, condescending, arrogant, pompous person you are nowMight have something to do with the 20-something know-it-all wet-behind-the-ears shitheads who now own most of the FDs and aren't willing to accept anything without challenging it first.

honestly I used to think you were someone to look up to and respect, and I think other people felt the same way...*Sniff* A single tear runs down my cheek...

I'm a better man than than you, JimSure you are, Mark. Sure you are. :bigthumb:

ok, whatever

call me when you've grown up in the faith a little....your discernment is sorely lacking

Calls us when you've grown up period. Your particular brand of intolerance isn't advocated in scripture regardless of how many sites you cut and paste.
catholicism is a cult that undermines and attacks the truth!

Sure it is. It's a cult. the original christian church is a cult. :rolleyes: How many people in that cult...errr...congregation of yours again?


in fact a future pope could potentially BE the antichrist...

Or it could be you.

I also don't understand why you can't just ignore these threads if they really offend you that much....we know you think the Bible is crap, we got it, why can't others discuss the topic?


I don't think the bible is crap. It's an excellent model for morality and doing the right thing. I think YOU are crap Mark. An intollerant little man going about castigating people for their beliefs that differ from yours.


truth is, YOU like to be the center of attention....everywhere

Says the man that pops up on forum after forum to cheapshot people for their ideology.

Why are you even here? It's not like this group of AGNOSTIC rejects is worth saving...oh yeah, it's because your message isn't about salvation, it's about hate.

correction, it's about the truth

God's pure truth, unadulterated by human tradition/doctrine, is the most important thing in the universe....without it, no one can be saved


Sure, Christ's message is about salvation. Yours is not. Yours is about intolerance and hate, and you hide behind scripture to do it. You're the very thing you hate, the wolf in sheeps clothing. Past the surface there's absolutely nothing Christian about you.

I don't hate anyone here, that is a lie

Please. :rolleyes:

I am intolerant of false doctine....and proud of it!

The concept you seem to fail to grasp is that you are incapable of judging what is and is not false. It's your way or the highway with you. Like I said, pride and obstinance. And I didn't mean it in an admirable way.

it's God's way or the highway


God's way Marky...not yours. Big distinction.

Jesus was down with weed???

SWEET!!!!

Jesus was down with weed???

SWEET!!!!

haha, that does seem to be the original point of this thread.

Satan's attacking the idea of JC smoking bud?

Insert US government for Satan?

so are you saying the Da Vinci code is fact or fiction? more to the point, are you saying that Jesus using marijuana is fact or fiction? clarify, please.

of course, both are complete fiction

the point is, myths about Jesus never stop, and "many false Christs" will appear in the Tribulation, "deceiving many"

how do you know they're myths? have you done the historical research? these people aren't saying that Jesus liked to sit around and get high all the time; they're saying that the plant he and many others used to make the anointing oil. you can't say people weren't anointed in oil. granted, some of their arguments to legitimize the recreational use of marijuana are a bit far-fetched for believers, like the miracles being hallucinatory reactions to the marijuana (personally, i have trouble swallowing that, but that's their argument), but the majority of this is an historicial examination of the uses of marijuana in Biblical times. it's not an attack on the validity of Jesus and Christianity, and the only reason it's under such scrutiny is because of the American government's war on pot and subsequent belief among the majority of Americans that weed is the devil's drug.

by the way, of COURSE the Da Vinci code is a work of fiction; it says it right on the book jacket. but the author did historical research, which was true, before writing it and then reached his own conclusions, which are the fiction part.

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So you're telling me that Genesis 1:29-31 doesn't cover Mary J?

how is it an attack on the Bible? no one is claiming God or Jesus is any less all-powerful or miraculous; i'm certainly not, nor am i putting 'man-made myths' above the Bible. you need to stop making so many unilateral assumptions. many of these 'attacks' you talk about are examinations of the historical period in which Christ lived, hardly vicious condemnations of the power of Christ.

you keep saying you don't know why you're debating me, and yet you continue to try and tear me down and belittle me because i like to have a little historical background and not blindly yell Scripture at everyone around me while blatantly disregarding their disparate opinions and viewpoints as idiotic and undeveloped. perhaps i should be the one telling you to get a little more life experience; even Jesus loved his heretical neighbors, he didn't have to attack them.

I'm not trying to "tear you down", I can just tell you're a kid

no offense

i'm sure.

I'm still waiting for my answer.... :D

Ephesians 4

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

what does that have to do with you calling me a fool, ignorant, undeveloped, and immature?

Jesus healed amusing cannibals...

Discuss.

I want my answer first, then I can continue with the discussion.... :D

I don't even know why I debate an 18 year old kid

call me in at least 10 years when you have some life experience....at this point in your life you're all about looking under every rock...I've been there!

I've looked under every rock, and I can tell you at age 38 that THERE IS NO TRUTH OUTSIDE GOD'S REVEALED WORD, in terms of spiritual reality....PERIOD

And age is completely useless as a debating point.

Experience is even more worthless.

After all, Mark, A) you're old enough to know better than to act the way you do, and B) what good is experience if you don't have the intelligence or common sense to make use of it?

are you going back on your own argument here?

so one could be 18 or 19 to develop these answers, since you don't have to be 50 or 60? you can have 'life experience' at any age.

Jesus healed amusing cannibals...

Discuss.
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"don't have to be old, to be wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssse"

love that tune

Yet, you just used the fact that you are 20 years older than another forum member to prove the veracity of your argument...

So, Mark, what do you want to be for Halloween this year, the pot or the kettle?

I don't think the bible is crap. It's an excellent model for morality and doing the right thing.

Yep, it's an excellent way of teaching people morals and "right from wrong" in a somewhat interesting format. Just like Greek mythology, Norse mythology, Indian fables, etc, etc, etc...

Funny how they all do the same thing, but the Bible is the one that is exactly, 100% true, real life.

I don't know too many people reading Greek mythology in 2006,I do.

but I know many people read the Bible.I don't. Haven't cracked one open in years. I know what's in it, no need to read it again.

...and their lives are changed by itNot mine. Personal intelligence and education prevented that...

which is the primary reason why we believe, you can see the effect it has on your life!If you can't maintain a positive mental outlook without using the Bible as a crutch, that's pretty sad.

I wish I wasn't poor, I'd be using some cannabis to heal...


But seriously, back to the initial point of the thread for a moment. Why WOULDN'T Jesus have used cannabis to heal? He spent an awful lot of time saying how nothing made by God was unpure.

Is it simply a case of not wanting to sully his reputation for miracles by suggesting he used herbs?

Well, not necessarily the lame or the lepers.

But there were other instances of healing where I could see Jesus using herbs rather than miraculous power. Jesus always strikes me as a pragmatist.

Why use a chainsaw when a knife will do. That sort of thing.

I don't know too many people reading Greek mythology in 2006,

How about almost every high school kid in America?

but I know many people read the Bible....and their lives are changed by it,

And plenty that aren't

which is the primary reason why we believe, you can see the effect it has on your life!

About the same as a hemmorhoid

Well, not necessarily the lame or the lepers.

But there were other instances of healing where I could see Jesus using herbs rather than miraculous power. Jesus always strikes me as a pragmatist.

Why use a chainsaw when a knife will do. That sort of thing.

Basically.... :teeth:

I don't know too many people reading Greek mythology in 2006,

Well, call every junior high, high school and college in your area. I guarantee you students at ALL of them are currently reading mythology.

Man, I remember I did Greek mythology in middle school, high school, and college.

Oh yeah, Marky, one other thing: The Olympics are based on a tribute to the Greek gods as well.