I don't know if you've ever pulled this one out but, Jesus will be in Hell watching the suffering of those condemned:
Rev 14:9-11
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.â€
no, those in the Kingdom will be able to observe those suffering in the Lake of Fire from a distance, as an everlasting reminder
just as Abraham could observe those suffering in hell when Lazarus called to him
I don't know about that, YZF, the phrase is "in the presence". Also, how do you see that "those in the Kingdom" will also be able to see? Is this idea shown elsewhere besides the Lazareth story?
It's certainly no place for a logical thinking person though.
honegod
07-26-2007, 02:40 PM
it wouldn't be heaven if ysr couldn't watch me suffer and share with god the sweet savour of me as a burnt offering.
11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever.
If anyone worships the beast ... he will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
It's irrelevant. We can spend our time arguing semantics, or worshiping the Lord. In His name, we pray, and in his forgiveness, we endure, forever.
"and they will say 'who can make war against the beast'"...........
War will not be necessary. Good shall prevail, as Good created all that allowed evil to exist. How can the pot place limits on its crafter?
honegod
07-31-2007, 03:21 AM
sort of the idea of cursing mankind was to eliminate evil, restoring the perfection to heaven that satan stole by his rebellion.
but the law of conservation of evil demands that the evil must exist somewhere, so eternal Hell.
hell MUST communicate to heaven or the law would be broken.
so heaven will NEVER be free from evil,
so creating hell in the first place is evil,
putting the creator of hell and owner of all evil on the Throne.
"and they will say 'who can make war against the beast'"...........
I wonder how long before the new purges start.
sorta' gives a new meaning to "see you in hell ! "
Yeah that's kind of strange. Although if the Creator wanted beings who had freely chosen (using their gift of free will) to follow the path of righteousness, it seems reasonable to conclude that the byproduct of such free will would be willing rebels.
It's God's universe, He calls the shots. Who wouldn't want to be on His side, when it's clear that he stands for perfection?