I had questions on if I would be able to enlist or not because of some trouble I got into when I was younger and was told it wouldn't be an issue. I gotta go to Fort Pierce and talk to the recruiter Monday, take the ASVAB. I figure what the hell, US is going to hell in a handbasket at least I can go live in another country and keep my citizenship. :bigthumb:

lol, try and get into AECF. That way you can maybe shoot for going to basic and training with me. :D

So long as you get a ship date around May 27, 2009 you're set. The alternative to that would maybe be the Buddy Enlistment Program.

You know, I totally forgot to call you and talk you out of it, DAK. Maybe we could make it a conference call and I can talk both of you out of it.

A lot of people are joining the military lately. My theory/opinion is that it is due to current economic conditions. Any validity to that?

You know, I totally forgot to call you and talk you out of it, DAK. Maybe we could make it a conference call and I can talk both of you out of it.

Too late now, sucka. lol, I've already had my talks with others (including my cousin who went in under my same field and went IT/who's still in and about to get out) and I'm pretty sure that this is the route I wish to take in life. Besides, if you had anything truly different and important to say, I'm sure you would have called me.

It's not going to be easy (now that I have a clear view of how shit runs in this particular branch), but I'm sure I'll be ok. And if I do find out that I hate it, well 6 years down the line I just get out. As it stands, I'll be jobless at the end of the month and with the economy the way it is, who knows if I'll be able to get something worth my time.

At least this way, I get out of the states for awhile and don't have to deal with the bullshit here. Plus, my plan is to bring back an R33 or another equally cool mode of transportation on the Gov's dime. :bigthumb:

I think you can still retire pretty early with a pension in the miltary, it's really not a bad gig if you're an officer

I believe it's 24 years. At least that's what I'm told about the Airforce.

I say do it. Get out there, see the world, learn from it. I can guarantee you there's a lot more than the crap you've grown up around. You'll work 40 hours a week whenever you're out of basic, get paid to travel usually, and get opportunities the business world won't offer.

And don't forget to bring a lot of chap stick........you know.....for all that ass you'll be kissing......

Too late now, sucka. lol, I've already had my talks with others (including my cousin who went in under my same field and went IT/who's still in and about to get out) and I'm pretty sure that this is the route I wish to take in life. Besides, if you had anything truly different and important to say, I'm sure you would have called me.

It's not going to be easy (now that I have a clear view of how shit runs in this particular branch), but I'm sure I'll be ok. And if I do find out that I hate it, well 6 years down the line I just get out. As it stands, I'll be jobless at the end of the month and with the economy the way it is, who knows if I'll be able to get something worth my time.

At least this way, I get out of the states for awhile and don't have to deal with the bullshit here. Plus, my plan is to bring back an R33 or another equally cool mode of transportation on the Gov's dime. :bigthumb:

Well, the one piece of advice I will give you then is this: Whatever schools they offer you, take them. You get out of boot and go to A school, if you get offered a C school after that, take it.

I went from boot to Hospital Corps school, and when Corps school came to an end, I took Advanced Lab C School. That got me 18 months in San Diego with no duty, no watch, no nothin'. There is NOTHING better than spending your first two years in student status. Whatever school you get offered, you take it. Seriously. Stay out of "the real Navy" as long as you can. You'll thank me later.

I believe it's 24 years. At least that's what I'm told about the Airforce.

20 years is retirement age. The most you can stay in as enlisted is 30 years, for for that, you have to be MCPON.

A lot of people are joining the military lately. My theory/opinion is that it is due to current economic conditions. Any validity to that?

School and money, I am a boat builder by trade and the economy has killed me. Cant pay your bills, cant buy my boat.

I hear that. Hence why I was looking at OCS myself. Get a paycheck and a good reference.

Well, the one piece of advice I will give you then is this: Whatever schools they offer you, take them. You get out of boot and go to A school, if you get offered a C school after that, take it.

I went from boot to Hospital Corps school, and when Corps school came to an end, I took Advanced Lab C School. That got me 18 months in San Diego with no duty, no watch, no nothin'. There is NOTHING better than spending your first two years in student status. Whatever school you get offered, you take it. Seriously. Stay out of "the real Navy" as long as you can. You'll thank me later.

No problem there, chief. I predict my schedule will go as follows.

May 27, 2009
Bootcamp - 8 Weeks -> July 22, 2009
Great Lakes, IL --19 weeks for initial schooling -> Dec 2, 2009
FC (job I want), Great Lakes, IL -- 11 weeks -> Feb 17, 2010
ET, Great Lakes, IL -- 13 weeks -> March 3, 2010

As you can see, I'll be gone for quite a bit.

Ya know, in HS, I HAD to take the ASVAB. I don't know why... maybe you guys know? Was my school in cahoots with the armed forces? Dunno...

Scored 95 percentile. :D

keep in mind that either the ET or the FC rate requires a 6 year enlistment too--you cant sign up for 4 like most people do. But either of them would kick ass for your future--you will be trained on hardware that you simply could not find anywhere else in the world. FC needs a security clearance too, since youre working on weapon systems. That would look shit-hot on a resume.....

"yeah, I am an expert on the Aegis weapon system...."

Thats the field to get into as well--my wife has her masters in computers and while it isnt exactly the same as what youre looking at, the career choices are nearly endless for her. A lot of people make the mistake of choosing a "fun" rate or MOS....like the infantry guys, they think they can play G.I. Joe for a few years....and then the reality of the shitty conditions hits them. And then, when its time to get out, they have no real training that they can bring to the civilian job market.

Well, it's really 8 years standard for everyone (4 years Active, 4 inactive *in case of war and all that jazz*) from what I understood at MEPS, so adding 2 more years onto that (6 years Active, 2 years inactive) isn't really that big of a deal to me since I'm getting a job that I really do want to learn about.

And yes, I AM looking forward to that Aegis training. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_combat_system

Ya know, in HS, I HAD to take the ASVAB. I don't know why... maybe you guys know? Was my school in cahoots with the armed forces? Dunno...

Scored 95 percentile. :D

My school did the same. Then, I started getting calls from recruiters.

And I scored a 99. :D

Same thing with my school except I declined to take it. My school mascot was an Admiral and the school had a pretty strong Naval and Marine connection.

I got an 86, myself. But then again, I haven't fucked with math or anything on the Calc level since 2002. (Funny story, I failed Calc my senior year and had to take a summer class. Since my school didn't offer SS for it, I actually had to go to college in order to get the credits for math. Thus, I had to go to college to graduate high school.)

And considering my school never had shop class or anything involving electronics, I believe I did quite well for myself. :D

I had questions on if I would be able to enlist or not because of some trouble I got into when I was younger and was told it wouldn't be an issue. I gotta go to Fort Pierce and talk to the recruiter Monday, take the ASVAB. I figure what the hell, US is going to hell in a handbasket at least I can go live in another country and keep my citizenship. :bigthumb:

First bit of advice I'd give you is *not* to take everything your recruiter tells you as gospel. Think of them as used car salesmen, except instead of selling you a car somebody else didn't want anymore, they are selling you the rest of your life...

Do your own research, get "in the weeds" with regards to your options and know enough about what you want to do that you inform them about details for your enlistment that they had no idea existed/were possible.. Trust me. Do that and you will be thankful in two years, I was.

Feel free to push any possible rates (job's) to me for vetting. I spent 3 1/2 year's "in the fleet", spent last summer in Afghanistan working with Army/NATO Special Forces guy's, was chosen to screen for the Navy's highest tier SF team (didn't make it because a little birdie (aka: the DICK chief at the command I left from) told them I was an introvert, when that couldn't be further from the truth.. I'm still pissed!), and have worked at a Joint Command. I'm not saying that to measure e-cocks, just saying that I've had a decent taste of just about everything short of sub/nuke life you're likely to encounter in the Navy...

lol, try and get into AECF. That way you can maybe shoot for going to basic and training with me.
I'm not sure what AECF is, but unless revn winds up in the same division as you there won't be any time to chill/hang-out at RTC =\ Unless of course you guys go to church together, but that would be kinda fucked up :bigthumb:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjob1/a/aecf.htm

:bigthumb:

And I'm on indefinite hiatus from churches/religion, so I guess that's a no-go. lol

I see.... so it's the job field that FC's and ET's are in. Gotcha. I take it that's the 19 week initial training?

Yessir, at least that's the way I comprehend it.

First bit of advice I'd give you is *not* to take everything your recruiter tells you as gospel.

First thing I tell everyone about Navy recruiters: Half of what you hear are lies, the other half just isn't true.

Anything they say, get in writing. They lie like OJ Simpson on trial for murder.

A lot of people make the mistake of choosing a "fun" rate or MOS....like the infantry guys, they think they can play G.I. Joe for a few years....and then the reality of the shitty conditions hits them. And then, when its time to get out, they have no real training that they can bring to the civilian job market.

Truer words were never spoken. That's exactly what I did when I first went in. The recruiter actually tried to talk me out of it, but back then all I had on the brain was "Airborne Infantry". Sooo....that's what I got.
At first it was great. I loved it. Got to run around and play killer, made the jump in Panama in '89, went to Korea for a tour which included 4 months on the DMZ back then, blah blah blah. Then one day it hit me- I was in the field and looked around me and the only thought that came was "wow, look at that old fuck over there. Been in almost 20 years and his back is fucked from walking around for that long". Then, more and more it hit me that if I was going to stay in, it would be in another MOS.

Who do grunts hate most of all? Aviation pukes, of course. So, naturally, I went in that direction and have been loving life ever since. When I get out next year, there are plenty of jobs waiting for me around the world under contract for roughly $100,000- $180,000 (mostly the middle east), or some right here at home. That's pretty good for a dipshit like me and my education level.

I loved the grunt stuff, but I don't regret switching for a second. Good luck to all who are going in or thinking about it, and thanks to those who already have.

Well the recruiter is coming to the house Thursday at 10:00 AM to talk jobs and have me take a sample ASVAB. Im just ready to do it and get the waiting over with.

Good luck amigo :D

I know you'll do well

Im considering Master of Arms as what I want to do once I get in. The Marines used to be the MP of the Navy but now the Navy has its own force. Plus when I get out I can get a job with little to no effort in law enforcement. While Im in I get to ride around in small boats with machine guns and possibly kill uppity Hodgeys. Fun times.

I think the military raised the age limit to something like 37 just a few years ago- at least the Army did anyway. I can't remember the exact age right this second though so I'll have to check it to be sure.

29 isn't really all that uncommon any more since '02 for recruits.

Im considering Master of Arms as what I want to do once I get in. The Marines used to be the MP of the Navy but now the Navy has its own force. Plus when I get out I can get a job with little to no effort in law enforcement. While Im in I get to ride around in small boats with machine guns and possibly kill uppity Hodgeys. Fun times.

Be sure that's what you want to do.. The deployment side is cool, but with IA's now just about anybody can go down range and do that. Be sure you know where the majority of your time will be spent (the MA's on my ship were mainly there to run urinalysis, muster restricted personnel (ship's "criminals") and respond to quarterdeck/ssdf watch's).

At work so can't write much... building big things atm =P

Revn, do Shore Patrol instead. I too was considering MA, but Fenda's right; it sucks ass.

Better yet, don't listen to Vert, cause he's got no idea what he's talking about.

Shore Patrol is NOT a rate. It's a collateral duty, something that people with "real" jobs do on the side. Kinda like when I was on the ship and my collateral duty's included (all at different points) Damage Control Petty Officer (DCPO), Stretcher Bearer - Team Lead, Ships Self-Defense Force (SSDF), Fire Party, etc., etc...

I never said Shore Patrol was not a rate. Let's read what I fucking said numb nuts: "DO-SHORE-PATROL-INSTEAD" (instead of being an MA, since it will have at least as much benefit; if not more).

Now I have no idea what I am talking about? Sailor Suzie, how many years in law enforcement do you have? Better yet, how many years in hiring law enforcement officers do you have? Do you know the skills required for a career in law enforcement? Will Shore Patrol aid in this? Will it look as good or better than being a MA for 'X' number of years? I strongly suggest you think before you fucking answer a question so judgmentally next time. I respect your serving the country and all, but if it looks like an asshole, smells like an asshole...

Revn, go in as whatever rate and/or designation you want; something technical, a cook, et al. but work on skills that would be necessary as a law enforcement officer. Managing others, analytical skill, reasoning, dispute resolution, etc.

aren't you a little old at 29 to just now be getting in? I had the opportunity to be an officer right out of school

I call shenanigans, last I remember it's nigh impossible to become an officer without a bachelors degree. Sure, there's Officer Candidate School, but that's only AFTER you have a degree.

Your opportunity probably involved enrolling in ROTC while you went to college or attending a service academy, which isn't all that special when you think about it. lol

Oh, and I'm 24 and just going in. 5 years ontop of that is nowhere near "too old" for the Navy.

Active Army - 42
Army Reserves (Including National Guard) - 42
Active Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve (inlcuding National Guard) - 34
Active Navy - 34
Naval Reserves - 39
Active Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserve - 29
Active Duty Coast Guard - Age 27. Note: up to age 32 for those selected to attend A-school directly upon enlistment (this is mostly for prior service).
Coast Guard Reserves - Age 39.

I call shenanigans, last I remember it's nigh impossible to become an officer without a bachelors degree. Sure, there's Officer Candidate School, but that's only AFTER you have a degree.

Not entirely true. You can go in as an enlisted rate, active duty if you are ENROLLED to finish your bachelors degree. I was considering doing that. It's like a deferred commission program or something...can't remember the name offhand. I was going to do that (and get paid from the Navy), work full time, and do my school at night gig, but the Officer Recruiter I was speaking with wasn't of much help.

Your opportunity probably involved enrolling in ROTC while you went to college or attending a service academy, which isn't all that special when you think about it. lol

Hey now...

Oh, and I'm 24 and just going in. 5 years ontop of that is nowhere near "too old" for the Navy.

Active Army - 42
Army Reserves (Including National Guard) - 42
Active Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve (inlcuding National Guard) - 34
Active Navy - 34
Naval Reserves - 39
Active Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserve - 29
Active Duty Coast Guard - Age 27. Note: up to age 32 for those selected to attend A-school directly upon enlistment (this is mostly for prior service).
Coast Guard Reserves - Age 39.

Army likes the old fuggers. Let's sign Mark up!

Bachelors Degree Completion Program. That's what it was!

http://www.units.muohio.edu/sfa/navy.htm

Not entirely true. You can go in as an enlisted rate, active duty if you are ENROLLED to finish your bachelors degree. I was considering doing that. It's like a deferred commission program or something...can't remember the name offhand. I was going to do that (and get paid from the Navy), work full time, and do my school at night gig, but the Officer Recruiter I was speaking with wasn't of much help.

Hey now...


lol, apologies if I was a bit off in my explanation, Vert. I just wanted to make it clear that there's still a few hoops one has to jump through to become an officer if you don't already have a degree. One cannot simply WALK into Officer status, like YZF seemed to be implying.

lol, apologies if I was a bit off in my explanation, Vert. I just wanted to make it clear that there's still a few hoops one has to jump through to become an officer if you don't already have a degree. One cannot simply WALK into Officer status, like YZF seemed to be implying.

With Jesus, all things are possible. :bigthumb:

Bachelors Degree Completion Program. That's what it was!

http://www.units.muohio.edu/sfa/navy.htm

Hmm, that's a pretty sweet deal...

Hmm, that's a pretty sweet deal...

Yes indeedy. I was looking at going in to cryptology, figuring I would be an asset as I speak/read/write Arabic and Farsi, but the officer recruiter was never available to answer questions I had, so I kinda just gave up.

You'll work 40 hours a week whenever you're out of basic
Had a bunch of friends in the "old navy." The one universal thing, no matter what their MOS, was they worked way more then 40 hours. The best saying I heard from any of them (aircraft mechanic) was "The Navy pays me for 24 hours a day, therefore they expect 24 hours of work a day."

Who knows if a computer job would be the same way, all the guys I knew were laborers.

Good luck guys :bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:

Better yet, don't listen to Vert, cause he's got no idea what he's talking about.

lol :owned:

I never said Shore Patrol was not a rate.

Which is exactly what caught my attention. You suggested that "Shore Patrol" offered the same level of training and qualification as a job dedicated to law enforcement. You, sir, could not be further from the truth. Shore patrol is a burden for the JO's and Chiefs. Imagine them all drawing straws to see who has to go "babysit the kids" in port tonight, as opposed to hanging out with their friends, or staying on the boat and getting some (much needed) sleep.

Let's read what I fucking said numb nuts: "DO-SHORE-PATROL-INSTEAD" (instead of being an MA, since it will have at least as much benefit; if not more).

It's called insinuation killer.

Revn, do Shore Patrol instead. I too was considering MA, but Fenda's right; it sucks ass.

This statement is insinuating that he should choose Shore Patrol (as a job) instead of MA, because being an MA sucks ass. My reading comprehension is fine, perhaps you should work on getting your message across correctly.


Back to what I said "Better yet, don't listen to Vert, cause he's got no idea what he's talking about."

Holy shit! I can make my letters bigger too!!! I'm sorry, was I shouting?

If you think that being on Shore Patrol for a handful of days out fo the year will offer more benefit to law enforcement than BEING A MILITARY POLICE OFFICER 24/7 for 4+ years than you're a much bigger idiot than I originally suspected. I'm beginning to see why you've never been picked up for officer (that's saying a lot)...

Now I have no idea what I am talking about?

You act like this is a new thing... I've been pointing it out for several months now.

Sailor Suzie, how many years in law enforcement do you have? Better yet, how many years in hiring law enforcement officers do you have? Do you know the skills required for a career in law enforcement?

Considering I joined the military after graduation, none. How long have I run security?? Totally different ball game. Do you know this? I'm guessing not. Who knows though... your experiences could be like Mark's girlfriend (that's non-existant until proof exists btw).

Will Shore Patrol aid in this? Will it look as good or better than being a MA for 'X' number of years?

That answer is a RESOUNDING "No!"

I respect your serving the country and all, but if it looks like an asshole, smells like an asshole...

You ever heard that old saying about the pot calling the kettle black?



All things aside, we've established in the past that you are simply a wanna-be when it comes to the military. You talk all your game about being an officer and what not. But when the smoke clears, and we boil it all down to the facts, you're "experience" is comparable to some middle schooler in JROTC.

****A bunch of stuff that pwnd Vert****


http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp351/Alenda_photos/ohsnap_man.gif

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aren't you a little old at 29 to just now be getting in? I had the opportunity to be an officer right out of school

Arentyou a little old at 53 to be on this forum?

Which is exactly what caught my attention. You suggested that "Shore Patrol" offered the same level of training and qualification as a job dedicated to law enforcement. You, sir, could not be further from the truth. Shore patrol is a burden for the JO's and Chiefs. Imagine them all drawing straws to see who has to go "babysit the kids" in port tonight, as opposed to hanging out with their friends, or staying on the boat and getting some (much needed) sleep.

Oh so being in the Navy is social hour now. Cool!

It's called insinuation killer.

Last time I checked the thesaurus, insinuate was a synonym of Ass-u-me.

This statement is insinuating that he should choose Shore Patrol (as a job) instead of MA, because being an MA sucks ass. My reading comprehension is fine, perhaps you should work on getting your message across correctly.

Nah, I'm sure the intent could have been understood by anybody not choosing to be a prick know-it-all. Thanks for playing though!

Back to what I said "Better yet, don't listen to Vert, cause he's got no idea what he's talking about."

Holy shit! I can make my letters bigger too!!! I'm sorry, was I shouting?

Nah, speak up next time.

If you think that being on Shore Patrol for a handful of days out fo the year will offer more benefit to law enforcement than BEING A MILITARY POLICE OFFICER 24/7 for 4+ years than you're a much bigger idiot than I originally suspected. I'm beginning to see why you've never been picked up for officer (that's saying a lot)...

So a Master at Arms; which you just said mostly runs urinalysis and Correction type assignments (shuffling 'bad guys' from one point to another and looking after their well being) is going to help become a law enforcement officer (not a correction officer)? Interesting. Shore Patrol which acts as a deterrent won't? Also interesting. I was never picked as an officer? Please man, don't act like you know shit about me, because you clearly don't. I know you have this complex that you think you are right most the time, but you really are not.

Considering I joined the military after graduation, none. How long have I run security?? Totally different ball game. Do you know this? I'm guessing not. Who knows though... your experiences could be like Mark's girlfriend (that's non-existant until proof exists btw).

Security. So a mall security guard has a leg up on the competition when going for a career in law enforcement? :bigthumb: I actually do know the skills required and those that are sought out for a career in law enforcement; considering I have processed for several departments. I'm sure that it wouldn't be news to you (since you are the resident MENSA member) that departments that do require degrees, normally do not want degrees in Criminal Justice or Penal Law or what have you. Certain skills are a bit more important to them than prior piss test experience, Chief.

That answer is a RESOUNDING "No!"

Once again, piss testing clearly aids a successful career in law enforcement. More so than actually 'patrolling.' Excellent logic.

You ever heard that old saying about the pot calling the kettle black?

Yeah, I have. You ever hear the old saying that those who know everything, know nothing? :bigthumb:

All things aside, we've established in the past that you are simply a wanna-be when it comes to the military. You talk all your game about being an officer and what not. But when the smoke clears, and we boil it all down to the facts, you're "experience" is comparable to some middle schooler in JROTC.

Clearly, you are the only fucking authority here on military careers and the only one able to give an opinion. I'll gladly let you influence Revn's decision for him without anyone offering further opinions. Since you don't like my opinion that much, I suggest you ignore my opinions in the future. It would surely look better than acting like someone who has a Mark Strong complex. That is, they don't agree so they are quick to go on the offensive. Insecurity much? You spew out countless amounts of bullshit about fucking Chinese food and whatever else that is the stupidest shit ever, but do I go in there and say "ZOMG! Chinese food has MSG and clearly shouldn't be eaten" or something retarded like that? No, because I clearly DO NOT give a shit. If your own insecurities lead you to view contrasting opinions as threatening or harmful to discussion (which has become obvious at this point) then I suggest you cry about it elsewhere.

In summation, your years of security detail enable you to be the expert here on law enforcement careers, as well as military careers, so my 3 years of processing with, cadeting with, riding along with, training with, attending academies with, et al. law enforcement agencies, haven't any merit in a discussion of opinions regarding a future career in law enforcement.

Hey seriously calm down guys, I decided to change my job to Naval Fry Cook so I can get a job running a McDonalds when I get out. Thanks!! :)

Hey seriously calm down guys, I decided to change my job to Naval Fry Cook so I can get a job running a McDonalds when I get out. Thanks!! :)

Free McChickens FTW?

Last time I checked the thesaurus, insinuate was a synonym of Ass-u-me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insinuate

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your senseless drivel if you can't even get a simple vocabulary word pinned down.

Thanks for playing?

I used to be a Seaman, now I just shoot it all over the old ladys ass. She doesnt find it too funny at this age.

Hey seriously calm down guys, I decided to change my job to Naval Fry Cook so I can get a job running a McDonalds when I get out. Thanks!! :)

Hehe, I'm just toying with the guy and laughing about it with the rest of the guys in my office.

I suppose I should stop, it's not very nice in the end :peace:

I used to be a Seaman, now I just shoot it all over the old ladys ass. She doesnt find it too funny at this age.

Speaking of...

When I was in "A" School we had a guy in the class named Richard Swallows. I shit you not! Poor old Seamen Swallows, Dick.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insinuate

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your senseless drivel if you can't even get a simple vocabulary word pinned down.

Thanks for playing?

insinuate - Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 :

155 Moby Thesaurus words for "insinuate":
accuse, adumbrate, allege, allegorize, allude to, arraign, article,
ascribe, assume, barge in, book, break in, break in upon,
bring accusation, bring charges, bring to book, bring to mind,
burst in, butt in, charge, charge in, cite, come between, complain,
connote, convey, crash, crash in, crash the gates, creep in,
crowd in, cut in, denounce, denunciate, drag in, drop a hint,
ease in, edge in, elbow in, encroach, entail, entrench, fasten on,
fasten upon, fill in, finger, foist, foist in, fudge in,
give a hint, give the cue, glance at, hang something on, hint,
hint at, horn in, impeach, impinge, implant in, implicate, imply,
import, impose, impose on, impose upon, impute, indicate, indict,
infer, infiltrate, inform against, inform on, infringe, infuse,
inject, inject in, inoculate, insert, insert in, insinuate in,
intercalate, interfere, interjaculate, interject, interlope,
interpolate, interpose, intervene, intimate, introduce,
introduce in, intromit, intrude, invade, involve, irrupt,
lay charges, lodge a complaint, lodge a plaint, lug in, mean,
mean to say, obtrude, perfuse, pin on, point indirectly to, pop in,
prefer charges, press charges, press in, presume, presuppose,
prompt, push in, put between, put in, put on, put on report,
put upon, report, reproach, run in, rush in, sandwich, set in,
signify, slink in, slip in, smash in, smuggle in, sneak in,
squeeze in, steal in, stick in, storm in, suggest, suppose,
take for granted, take to task, task, taunt with, tax, throng in,
throw in, thrust in, trench, trespass, tuck in, twit, wedge in,
whip in, whisper, work in, worm, worm in

http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/insinuate

:owned:

Lets keep to reputable sources please.

The Moby Project is a collection of public domain lexical resources. (from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby_Project))

"A collection of public domain lexical resources" says (to me) that any idiot can log in and add his/her input. Which is, apparently, the case in your example.

Try this one instead: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/insinuate

Yes indeedy. I was looking at going in to cryptology, figuring I would be an asset as I speak/read/write Arabic and Farsi, but the officer recruiter was never available to answer questions I had, so I kinda just gave up.

Wow, the Navy left an Arabic/ Farsi speaker/reader/writer hanging? Those are in pretty high demand these days.

Have you tried the Army? Last I heard they were paying a pretty hefty bonus for people that had those skills. Plus, it would be the same base pay anyway, no matter the service. It may not be your first choice but it still would be military with similar opportunities.

Wow, the Navy left an Arabic/ Farsi speaker/reader/writer hanging? Those are in pretty high demand these days.

Have you tried the Army? Last I heard they were paying a pretty hefty bonus for people that had those skills. Plus, it would be the same base pay anyway, no matter the service. It may not be your first choice but it still would be military with similar opportunities.

Not the Navy; just this particular officer recruiter. He didn't sound too enthusiastic during my inquiries. I could have took more initiative and contacted another officer recruiter, but this one was the closest to me and it was in Albany, NY which is ~100 miles away. The next closest may be in NYC which is ~100 miles away the other way. :-\

They are in demand these days. I almost signed on as an interpreter with a Military Contractor in Iraq back in 2004, but all the beheadings and other violence acted as a large deterrent. Sure, the deal includes an insane amount of money. I decided my life couldn't have a price tag put on it though. I would feel much safer in an ACTUAL branch of the military than with a contracting agency as well.

I never checked out the Army, but I did check out the DOJ and Homeland for opportunities. They are seeking Arabic and Farsi speakers, but they have a large pool to choose from. They want people with particular education backgrounds as well (they have a huge demand for those with accounting backgrounds) and normally want those with a Masters degree.

Thanks for the comments. :peace:

K then, was just a thought. Now that it's calmed down a little over there in Iraq, any interest in re-looking onto the contractor side of the job?

I'm thinking of hopping ship and moving to a contractor job as an aviation mechanic, but I'd have to make sure they let me live on post first, which I think they do. I wouldn't be too hot on living outside the gates.

DOJ would probably be a better bet because I'm not sure how HLS is gonna work out in the future. I'm thinking they will change dramatically over the next ten years or so and that usually means job cuts. Even though it was originally a Democratic proposal, they have been screaming about it's make up since Bush took the idea and turned into a reality. If Dems take control of the WH with Obama next month, I'm not sure how keen they will be in keeping it intact.

Either way, we need the help. Military or civilian, your help would be appreciated out there.

PS- Don't let a recruiter BS you with the mileage thing. They have Gov cars to drive and the gas is free. Even if they don't, they'll get paid for the mileage and per diem for any cost they incur. In fact, make them work for it. Call them and tell them you want to see them and make them do the drive- then cancel at the last moment.
Rinse and repeat at least weekly. Make the lazy bastards pay for their cushy jobs :)

K then, was just a thought. Now that it's calmed down a little over there in Iraq, any interest in re-looking onto the contractor side of the job?

I'm thinking of hopping ship and moving to a contractor job as an aviation mechanic, but I'd have to make sure they let me live on post first, which I think they do. I wouldn't be too hot on living outside the gates.

DOJ would probably be a better bet because I'm not sure how HLS is gonna work out in the future. I'm thinking they will change dramatically over the next ten years or so and that usually means job cuts. Even though it was originally a Democratic proposal, they have been screaming about it's make up since Bush took the idea and turned into a reality. If Dems take control of the WH with Obama next month, I'm not sure how keen they will be in keeping it intact.

Either way, we need the help. Military or civilian, your help would be appreciated out there.

I've given thought to the contractor job since it has calmed down. Only thing is I am not seeing the enormous compensation packages that they had in the past. As it became a safer, less hostile work environment, their salaries were drastically lowered.

I hear ya on HLS. All this talk by both Obama and McCain about spending freezes, etc. scares me. I applied for a position as a Deputy Sheriff in my county a couple years ago. Took the civil service exam, scored well, etc. Wouldn't you know it that my county exec instituted a hiring freeze for all new county employees? There went all the time and money for that it would appear. I applied for a position as a State Trooper here and they drastically cut funding for hiring new Troopers here. The governments getting cheap is dicking me over.

I'm at a point in the road where I say 'Fuck it.' I'm contemplating going in to enormous debt to attend law school and em thinking about going JAG for a few years so Uncle Sam can cover that debt. Someone has to defend Fenda on his charges of Animal Sodomy. :bigthumb: How I score on the LSAT is going to determine which card I play next.

Vert sure is a HSLD motherfucker.


Can I have your babies?

Hahahaha. Not gay unless the balls touch.

Vert sure is a HSLD motherfucker.


Can I have your babies?

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Yah so the guy in the Navy chatroom is a fucking dick. When I was 18 I got a notice to appear in court for Marijuana possession so he tells me it rules me out in the Police field. I ask him, "Well cant I get a waiver for that, The DoD has a policy on Cannabis use for the Army and they will allow you to become an MP". He says, "Yah the Navy has a policy, its called Zero Tolerance. You use, you get kicked out." So now Im thinking this guy isnt too bright or his reading comprehension is suffering somewhere. Then he adds this jewel to the conversation: "How are you going to be in the Police field when you break the law yourself?" I said, "Come on man, damn near everyone tries weed when they are kids." He starts getting all shitty about how not everyone smokes weed or experiments and blah blah blah blah. So I told him fuck it, I was gonna run for President. Apparently you can run the country and have tried pot but not play Police in the Navy. Fucking douche.


Oh the local Sheriffs Dept had no problem with the fact they had given me a notice to appear as a kid, They would hire me if I were to go through Police Academy.

Yah so the guy in the Navy chatroom is a fucking dick. When I was 18 I got a notice to appear in court for Marijuana possession so he tells me it rules me out in the Police field. I ask him, "Well cant I get a waiver for that, The DoD has a policy on Cannabis use for the Army and they will allow you to become an MP". He says, "Yah the Navy has a policy, its called Zero Tolerance. You use, you get kicked out." So now Im thinking this guy isnt too bright or his reading comprehension is suffering somewhere. Then he adds this jewel to the conversation: "How are you going to be in the Police field when you break the law yourself?" I said, "Come on man, damn near everyone tries weed when they are kids." He starts getting all shitty about how not everyone smokes weed or experiments and blah blah blah blah. So I told him fuck it, I was gonna run for President. Apparently you can run the country and have tried pot but not play Police in the Navy. Fucking douche.


Oh the local Sheriffs Dept had no problem with the fact they had given me a notice to appear as a kid, They would hire me if I were to go through Police Academy.

lol. Fucking people. It depends on the place you go. According to this checklist that the feds have if you are considering a job (this was for an FBI SA position), you can not have used weed AT ALL. I just do not know if I buy it though.

Yah so the guy in the Navy chatroom is a fucking dick. When I was 18 I got a notice to appear in court for Marijuana possession so he tells me it rules me out in the Police field. I ask him, "Well cant I get a waiver for that, The DoD has a policy on Cannabis use for the Army and they will allow you to become an MP". He says, "Yah the Navy has a policy, its called Zero Tolerance. You use, you get kicked out." So now Im thinking this guy isnt too bright or his reading comprehension is suffering somewhere. Then he adds this jewel to the conversation: "How are you going to be in the Police field when you break the law yourself?" I said, "Come on man, damn near everyone tries weed when they are kids." He starts getting all shitty about how not everyone smokes weed or experiments and blah blah blah blah. So I told him fuck it, I was gonna run for President. Apparently you can run the country and have tried pot but not play Police in the Navy. Fucking douche.

This guy was a recruiter?? Get back in there and get his Chief's name. That guy is a fucking idiot, and his attitude with a prospective recruit is unsat.

The Navy will NOT bar you from joining with prior usage. If you have used within three years you aren't allowed to be assigned to a Staff Billet (i.e. working for the Admiral) but that does not preclude you from the service. And as far as any background check goes, 7 years and you are good...

Hell, I *admitted* to smoking up on multiple occasions during highschool, they still gave me access to sensitive material. As an MA there is a VERY small chance you'd encounter that particular issue.

The Navy also has a policy where the DAPA is NOT ALLOWED to prosecute you (or submit your admittance as evidence in any court) if you come forward and admit doing something wrong (i.e. ~ I'm 18 years old and I have a SERIOUS problem with alcoholism, I just put on E-5 and I was out at a party this weekend where I tried some coke, My wife and I are having problems and sometimes I just can't help but hit her)... We WILL help our own if they come forward and ask for help. If you get caught and try to lie about it though.... We'll fuck your world all up.


Sounds to me like the guy you spoke with was just a shitbag. Ignore him and move on to the next guy (report him for being such an uninformed piece of shit too, make it apparent that he was giving the recruiting station a bad name. His ass will be sore as a result.)

lol. Fucking people. It depends on the place you go. According to this checklist that the feds have if you are considering a job (this was for an FBI SA position), you can not have used weed AT ALL. I just do not know if I buy it though.

One thing to consider... a lot of times when some agencies (not so sure on the FBI, they are kinda below my playground) will put out job openings where the requirements are tailored to one single person.

By this I mean that they have already chosen the person for the job, however in the name of fairness they need to put an application out to the public. The requirements can be so narrow however that it would cull out %99.998 of the applicants.

See what I'm saying?? There are occasions where you need to be in the club, gotta have the ring and know the secret handshake to get the job, however ANYBODY is allowed to apply...

Yeah. Or they have so many candidates for every one position, that they can be overly selective cocksmokers. :D

This was the Navy.com website, the forum to be exact. His ID is Mod1.

Meh, when I was speaking with the Officer Recruiter, prior drug use was one of the first questions he asked me. I told him I habitually smoked from when I was 14 til 17 or 18. He said "Okay. We'll put that down as 'more than 3.'" IIRC, many of those on Navy.com are not recruiters and are just enlisted members who have a commitment of giving some of their time to question answering. I had one give me a BS answer on something. I just can't remember what. Probably telling me that if I wanted to become an Ensign that the first step was the ASVAB or something.

Well it is on my record, misdemeanor conviction or marijuana and paraphernalia. What the fuck though, its weed.

Was the conviction in Florida? Florida has some pretty tough standards on drugs. What may be a violation in NY for possession, could be argued for intent to sell and a felony in FL. Was the charge originally a felony reduced to a misdemeanor? I know MOST police agencies will not Auto DQ for Misdemeanors (they will for Felonies) but it would certainly be looked at. I can't speak on the policy of the Navy, but my experience was that the officer recruiter I spoke with couldn't have gave two shits about it. He even joked about it as we progressed down the list. "Tried once? Twice? Man, you are killing me here. I'll just leave it as more than 3." I can't imagine standards differing for Enlisted and Officer.

Yah it was Florida, fucked up deal. My next door neighbor at the time was trying to get me kicked out of my house I was renting so she could move her mother in next door so she called the cops on me. The charge was and is a misdemeanor, they busted me on a baggie with a little under a gram in it and some papers.

Yah it was Florida, fucked up deal. My next door neighbor at the time was trying to get me kicked out of my house I was renting so she could move her mother in next door so she called the cops on me. The charge was and is a misdemeanor, they busted me on a baggie with a little under a gram in it and some papers.

A couple of hundred bucks and a half assed lawyer could EASILY get that expunged from your record as if it never happened.

Yah for anything civilian, Military can pull up anything even after it gets expunged.

Meh, don't sweat it. You just got some random faggot on the website that nobody who's really in even uses.

fwiw all active duty types use NKO, not Navy.com... Navy.com's uses end the moment you step foot in Great Lakes, IL.

Police can find it too even if it gets expunged.

Under a gram and a misdemeanor? Shit, that would have been ACD'ed up in NY; if it even made it to trial. I'm checking my car for leftover seeds next time I drive down to FL. Don't want to get 5-25.

Meh it was a little more than that. My landlord was selling the shit and the M.A.C.E. unit knew that. They also knew that I knew that. I wouldnt snitch on the landlord so they made sure that the charges stuck. It was bullshit and apparently it is gonna haunt me forever. Dont do drugs kids.

Police can find it too even if it gets expunged.

Under a gram and a misdemeanor? Shit, that would have been ACD'ed up in NY; if it even made it to trial. I'm checking my car for leftover seeds next time I drive down to FL. Don't want to get 5-25.

Shit you think that's bad? I was in Italy in '97 and when I first got there they had arrested 2 guys because they were carrying 2 seeds (I guess each guy had 1 seed, but I really don't know).....Seriously 2 friggin' seeds...no actual weed or anything else and they both got life sentences. I don't know the exact details of the case, but from what I understood it wasn't like a repeat offender kind of thing at all. I think that eventually they got the life sentence overturned, but they still had to serve massive jail time for 2 seeds.

But one seed could be worth MILLIONS!

Shit you think that's bad? I was in Italy in '97 and when I first got there they had arrested 2 guys because they were carrying 2 seeds (I guess each guy had 1 seed, but I really don't know).....Seriously 2 friggin' seeds...no actual weed or anything else and they both got life sentences. I don't know the exact details of the case, but from what I understood it wasn't like a repeat offender kind of thing at all. I think that eventually they got the life sentence overturned, but they still had to serve massive jail time for 2 seeds.

This reminds me of that story that I had to watch 1,000 video replays of and write papers about in college about the girl in Argentina or some South American country who is/was serving a life sentence due to some weed.

But drugs are good.

I was sick the past week and for the first time in my life, I got fucked up off of Robitusin (both pills and liquid syrup)! Completely inadvertent, but crazy none the less. It's like you're really drunk on hard liquor AND stoned on weed+tripping on shrooms+tired all at once.

My kinda weekend.

It was actually most noticeable saddly at work yesterday. It was almost like I was drunk at work...except better.

Well had my meeting this morning, cant do Master at Arms with my record. I called a friend of mine whos uncle is one of the big criminal defense lawyers in town and Im gonna go next week to get a printout of my record to get it expunged. According to the recruiter as long as he cant pull up anything Im good to go in what ever field (including the nuke program) that I want as long as I do good on my real test. I have to tighten up on my math big time though, its been a while.