My latest approach to undermining JW theology has been focused on an inconsistency shared by most christian sects and denominations, replacement theology. Replacement Theology is the idea that the "church" replaces Israel with regards to God's promises.

I have pointed out to one of my JW friends the connection between prophetic OT scripture sections such as Ezekiel 34, with Romans 11 and Revelation 7 & 14.

Follow my logic here, I think there is substance to my points. In the OT there are unconditional prophecies regarding Israel which are written directly to Israel. Check Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel. Specifically check Ezekiek in chapter 34. God unconditionally says he is going to regather and lead his flock. This only makes sense if he is explicity meaning the Jewish people. Romans 11:25 says that Israel's hardening will last until the full number of Gentiles has come in. Note, God is sovereignly working this out. The Jewish people's hardening will not be over until a condition is met that they do not have control over, that is, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Then Paul says "and so all Israel shall be saved". Moving onto Revelation 7 and 14. These chapters explicitly describe a group of God's witnesses that are 144,000 in number, are Jewish and are virgin men. Why does John go into detail to describe these guys as jewish if they are not in fact jewish?

JW theology hangs on replacement theology. Considering that the plain reading of Ezekiel 34 and Romans 11 suggest that God is going to work with the Jewish people again, a replacement theology advocate has to explain away a lot of information. If replacement theology is not correct, then by all means, the 144K are actually jews. If so, then there's no reason to conclude that only the 144K are elect and that the simpler understanding of the elect as all believers is only conclusion.

I agree.

Also, talking about JWs, I found some things on this list helpful:

http://www.goodcathinfo.com/ccarch55ques.htm

has anyone considered that JW are indeed Jews? Not the 'jews' that has a bloodline by Man, but Jews to God's eyes by their sin, offerings, faith.

Then are Jews only identified by the Blood line of David? What makes a jew a jew? by birth in a jewish family?

counting all the living and dead members of the Line of David...cant this number be greater than 114K?

if you are referring to Revelation 7, yes, the number is much greater than 144,000, those are the specially called Jewish men who are God's Witnesses at the onset of the Tribulation, when God once more works through Israel, as He did in OT times

So then bx7 point is to the err of JW, that they are waisting their time if they think they will be rewarded this special position. right?

I wonder how many Jewish men have already died a virgin so as to be martyred into this 114K count?

just hard to translate into anything sensible i guess.

er yeah...quite plain

i dont understand how JW can word themselves around this fact?

Pretty good read on the subject
http://www.bereanwatchmen.com/j.r.lawendowski/the-144-000-and-their-purpose.html

you never read the content of this link. I can prove this. Open your link and tell me word to word what it says. impossible to do

yeah. well the web page hosting your message failed you. or it was the hand of Satan, whom warp and skewed the pixels, to cause the words to smash into each other half way through the document. I swear. open it up. i ain't lying.

thats funny, it worked fine on my computer....

link isnt the problem. the page is a photo of something i guess.

funny