Black survivors of Hurricane Katrina said Tuesday that racism contributed to the slow disaster response, at times likening themselves in emotional congressional testimony to victims of genocide and the Holocaust.

The comparison is inappropriate, according to Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla. “Not a single person was marched into a gas chamber and killed,” Miller told the survivors.

“They died from abject neglect,” retorted community activist Leah Hodges. “We left body bags behind... The people of New Orleans were stranded in a flood and were allowed to die.”

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Angry evacuees described being trapped in temporary shelters where one New Orleans resident said she was “one sunrise from being consumed by maggots and flies.” Another woman said military troops focused machine gun laser targets on her granddaughter’s forehead. Others said their families were called racial epithets by police.

“No one is going to tell me it wasn’t a race issue,” said New Orleans evacuee Patricia Thompson, 53, who is now living in College Station, Texas. “Yes, it was an issue of race. Because of one thing: when the city had pretty much been evacuated, the people that were left there mostly was black.”

According to a recent Gallup poll, NBC News’ Kerry Sanders reported on Tuesday, six out of every 10 black New Orleans residents said if most of Katrina’s victims were white, relief would have arrived sooner.

Discussions about race began almost immediately after Katrina hit on Aug. 29. On Sept. 9, according to NBC News, President George W. Bush told the public, “The storm didn’t discriminate and neither will we in the recovery effort.”

But victims disagree.

“I blame local. I blame state. I blame federal,” Katrina victim Doreen Keller said at Tuesday’s hearings. “I think we got disappointed by every rank of government that exists.”

‘I just don't frankly believe it’
Not all lawmakers seemed persuaded.

“I don’t want to be offensive when you’ve gone though such incredible challenges,” said Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn. But referring to some of the victims’ charges, like the gun pointed at the girl, Shays said: “I just don’t frankly believe it.”

“You believe what you want,” Thompson said.

Shays also questioned a claim that the federal government unleashed this tragedy on New Orleans’ black residents on purpose.

“I was on my front porch,” Diane Cole French said at the hearings. “I have witnesses that they bombed the walls of the levee.”

“I don’t know if that’s theater or the truth,” Shays responded.

‘We have to acknowledge it’
The hearing was held by a special House committee, chaired by Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., investigating the government’s preparations and response to Katrina. It was requested by Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

“Racism is something we don’t like to talk about, but we have to acknowledge it,” McKinney said. “And the world saw the effects of American-style racism in the drama as it was outplayed by the Katrina survivors.”

The five white and two black lawmakers who attended the hearing mostly sat quietly during two and a half hours of testimony. But tempers flared when evacuees were asked by Miller to not compare shelter conditions to a concentration camp.

“I’m going to call it what it is,” Hodges said. “That is the only thing I could compare what we went through to.”

Of five black evacuees who testified, only one said he believed the sluggish response was the product of bad government planning for poor residents — not racism.

Here we go.

Everyone has an opinion, yet know one's been to the battlefield.

Even if this was'nt about race. An orginization created for this specific event failed...and was'nt even prepared in the first place.

Someone needs to be fired. Accountability?

oh yeah, I forgot who this administration was.

Here we go.

Everyone has an opinion, yet know one's been to the battlefield.
And the world turns. Would it be safe to assume you've been to the disaster area?

mmmmm...yes, for a little, then to Oklahoma for training.

mmmmm...yes, for a little, then to Oklahoma for training.
A little is a fence answer. What did this experience entail?

My mother was down there extensivly for work. She was a niggar hater when she went down, and she came back a niggar hate.

My mother was down there extensivly for work. She was a niggar hater when she went down, and she came back a niggar hate.

What happened to the "r" when she came back? Her hate just happened to come down a letter? :dunno:

Anywho, interesting peak of racial threads and topics today.... Back to old business, I suppose... lol

My mother was down there extensivly for work. She was a niggar hater when she went down, and she came back a niggar hate.


oh noes... and she lost ther "r" too.
I'll call her...I know where she left it.:moon:

What happened to the "r" when she came back? Her hate just happened to come down a letter? :dunno:

Anywho, interesting peak of racial threads and topics today.... Back to old business, I suppose... lol


I forgot the R. She hates niggars more now than ever. She has no compassion for them whatsoever.

A little is a fence answer. What did this experience entail?

A little seeing damage but mostly talking with victims and volunteers.
I did'nt think I had the stomach for it but was actually kind of clear-headed. All those video games and t.v. has de-sensitized me I guess.

A little seeing damage but mostly talking with victims and volunteers.
I did'nt think I had the stomach for it but was actually kind of clear-headed. All those video games and t.v. has de-sensitized me I guess.

I'm sure you loved it. You roll around on the floor with the bottom feeders in your free time, why not volunteer to hang with the homies.

I forgot the R. She hates niggars more now than ever. She has no compassion for them whatsoever.

To be honest, I don't blame her....

I'm not too fond of niggars myself....

i can't believe they're comparing it to the Holocaust. i mean, i know it was terrible, catastrophic, but i don't the Katrina victims had their heads shaved and numbers carved into their arms to distinguish them as a subclass of humans. and i don't recall reading anything about them being put to work, beaten, abused, marched into gas chambers, and forced to watch their family murdered pointblank in front of them.

What do you expect?

i can't believe their comparing it to the Holocaust. i mean, i know it was terrible, catastrophic, but i don't the Katrina victims had their heads shaved and numbers carved into their arms to distinguish them as a subclass of humans. and i don't recall reading anything about them being put to work, beaten, abused, marched into gas chambers, and forced to watch their family murdered pointblank in front of them.

No, but like the victims of the holocaust, there was a forseen problem...that was ignored until it was too late.

What do you expect?

not sure. blaming white people (who doesn't?), of course, blaming the government, naturally, but going so far as to equate themselves with a genocidal movement? i mean, the Holocaust caused the death of 6 million Jews alone, 10 million victims altogether, and the aftereffects it had on survivors were devastating. sure, Hurricane Katrina was a disaster, but nothing so bad as what happened back then. just being selfish, whiny, emo brats.

No, but like the victims of the holocaust, there was a forseen problem...that was ignored until it was too late.

what was the foreseen problem with the Holocaust? that Germany would initiate a mass killing of its Jews once the rest of Europe refused to take them in? or that Europe had used the Jews as scapegoats for everything from the Black Plague to the Great Schism? i'm no scholar on the subject; enlighten me.

I blame them for not being productive enough to buy a car that would at least go 200 miles.

America knew, and was late on the scene.

America knew, and was late on the scene.


Maybe its that no one really gives a flying fuck about a bunch of handoout seeking, worthless Shaivo's.

Vin Diesel's favorite vegetable...is Terry Shaivo.

I personally place the blame squarely on the folks who managed New Orleans disaster management plan. They are the idiots in the first degree. They were warned about the consequences of large category storm. They were warned what would happen if the levee system failed. They knew they would be faced with this crisis.

They…fucked up.

Even a poor ass state like West Virginia managed through some hellacious flooding a couple years ago. A vast region of the state was impacted with maybe one fatality? The National Guard was immediately called out with local agencies first, then the Red Cross stepped in and finally- FEMA followed to take applications and set up long term shelter and welfare.

New Orleans is no exception. They (the locals) simply have to respond first. They knew what had to be done to save people before hand- they simply failed to execute their own plan.

I see no racism in this series of events, unless some of you wish to call Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco a stupid white ho.

They (the locals) simply have to respond first.
With no money? They knew what had to be done to save people before hand- they simply failed to execute their own plan..
#1. What plan?
#2. What plan?

I see no racism in this series of events, unless some of you wish to call Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco a stupid white ho.

Maybe not racism but class warfare yes. They knew one thing. All the help they could give would go to people who most likely could not pay them back for a long time, but when someone spends 50 years paying off a house and there job is gone too, you have to accept the reality that alot of older established citizens will have to start from scratch.

or, you can pick our governments strategy. Wait a week or so till as many people as possible die out and help those who can be helped with less aid...

...which is dirty....smart, but dirty. These guys( Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco, FEMA on up) are too dirty for me.

Blame it on the Native Americans.

They was doin' da rain dance and forgot to set the timer..........

http://www.jollyroger.eclipse.co.uk/indian_rain_dance.jpg

BTW, what's with all the racial posts?

Geez............

:)

who should i blame for me waiting 10 minites for my MC Donalds meal to be "cooked"? the black workers? or..the white manager?

who should i blame for me waiting 10 minites for my MC Donalds meal to be "cooked"? the black workers? or..the white manager?

The white manager. He could of hired competent blacks but he gets a kick outta seeing black people fail...like all white people.:hide:

who should i blame for me waiting 10 minites for my MC Donalds meal to be "cooked"? the black workers? or..the white manager?
LOL where the fuck did oyu find a mcdonalds with a white manager?

i blame the local government. i'm sure most of you remember the vast quantities of school buses that could've been used to move people; but instead sat flooded to hell parked in neat orderly rows.

the federal government is not supposed to be the first responder. we need to get rid of this notion that the federal government is an all powerful all responsible entity. federalism FOREVER!

if they couldn't get out because of economic conditions, then either:

1. there is a serious deficiency in our social structure because the governemnt is responsible for the well-being of all its citizenry. freedom v. security.

2. there is a reasonable requirement on everyone to be responsible for their own survival.

we're teetering in the direction of #1, but i'd prefer if we went in the direction of #2. more freedom, less security.

The white manager. He could of hired competent blacks but he gets a kick outta seeing black people fail...like all white people.:hide:



But the blacks that are inept will start to whine about discrimination.

Afterall, they need to keep thier knuckles soft and supple from dragging it around all day on the transfat-coated tiles...........

i blame the local government. i'm sure most of you remember the vast quantities of school buses that could've been used to move people; but instead sat flooded to hell parked in neat orderly rows.

the federal government is not supposed to be the first responder. we need to get rid of this notion that the federal government is an all powerful all responsible entity. federalism FOREVER!

if they couldn't get out because of economic conditions, then either:

1. there is a serious deficiency in our social structure because the governemnt is responsible for the well-being of all its citizenry. freedom v. security.

2. there is a reasonable requirement on everyone to be responsible for their own survival.

we're teetering in the direction of #1, but i'd prefer if we went in the direction of #2. more freedom, less security.

Terrorism.
9/11
Terrorism
Osama Bin laden
9/11
9/11
Terrorist cells
Sarin nerv gas
See that's how fox news gets people to go for #1.
Just repeat that over and over until every freedom is gone for "security".

i hate Fox News. they're so painfully biased. but it's besides the point.

i'd have to agree with Tom. i don't think this is a racist issue like they're making it out to be. as far as we know, Katrina wasn't a sentient entity with a blatant racist streak conspiring with Bush to decimate the poorest, blackest area of America. and the federal government can't be expected to be everywhere, all the time, helping every single person in every part of America with all their ability. there are other things to deal with. that's why the Constitution gave states the power it did, so they could handle their own problems. it's true the presidential administration could have responded a tad quicker, but we all know Bush isn't all that quick on the uptake. maybe if the locals had been a little more concerned with getting out when they saw a hurricane coming instead of finding someone to blame for their levee system busting; or if the local government had tried a bit harder to, i dunno, warn the citizens or fix the levee system beforehand or find a possible evacuation solution besides acting like chickens with their heads cut off, maybe this whole "Katrina killed so many of us because we're black!" bs would take a much needed rest.

then again, i'm no political expert. maybe there are other motivations the public isn't seeing.

LOL where the fuck did oyu find a mcdonalds with a white manager?
where? lol. the mcdonalds down my block. they used to have white workers but all of a sudden they have all black workers except for the manager. lol.:dunno:

Katrina victims need to learn one thing:


DON'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING HOUSE UNDERWATER.

BTW, what's with all the racial posts?

Geez............

:)

As if you didn't know or have a hand in it.... :rolleyes:

lol


I personally place the blame squarely on the folks who managed New Orleans disaster management plan. They are the idiots in the first degree. They were warned about the consequences of large category storm. They were warned what would happen if the levee system failed. They knew they would be faced with this crisis.

They…fucked up.

Even a poor ass state like West Virginia managed through some hellacious flooding a couple years ago. A vast region of the state was impacted with maybe one fatality? The National Guard was immediately called out with local agencies first, then the Red Cross stepped in and finally- FEMA followed to take applications and set up long term shelter and welfare.

New Orleans is no exception. They (the locals) simply have to respond first. They knew what had to be done to save people before hand- they simply failed to execute their own plan.

I see no racism in this series of events, unless some of you wish to call Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco a stupid white ho.

As always, you post exactly how I feel on the subject.... :)


...which is dirty....smart, but dirty. These guys( Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco, FEMA on up) are too dirty for me.

Wow, finally a part of your posts that I can agree with.... :D

As if you didn't know or have a hand in it.... :rolleyes:

lol






As always, you post exactly how I feel on the subject.... :)




Wow, finally a part of your posts that I can agree with.... :D

So you don't believe me when I say Steven Biko was exectuted by officials in Africa

^dude, stfu. did you forget that:

1) federal relief was hindered by blancos inaction prior to storm arrival.

2)the evac was manditory, those people cried about being left behind & "stranded" ... well they could have walked bummed whatever. You know damned well they were the people that said "no storm has ever made me leave... ill stay this time. that or they didnt sober in time. The reason they were mostly black at that point was because they were the ones expecting to be helped in the event. THEY GAMBLED AND LOST, THEY HAVE TO BLAME THEMSELVES.

3)Nagin had no plan, he didnt offer ANY solution but to cry like a bitch on a radio show to rally ignorant blacks to his cause and protect HIS monumental neglect.

^dude, stfu. did you forget that:

1) federal relief was hindered by blancos inaction prior to storm arrival.

2)the evac was manditory, those people cried about being left behind & "stranded" ... well they could have walked bummed whatever. You know damned well they were the people that said "no storm has ever made me leave... ill stay this time. that or they didnt sober in time. The reason they were mostly black at that point was because they were the ones expecting to be helped in the event. THEY GAMBLED AND LOST, THEY HAVE TO BLAME THEMSELVES.

3)Nagin had no plan, he didnt offer ANY solution but to cry like a bitch on a radio show to rally ignorant blacks to his cause and protect HIS monumental neglect.


1.) :werd:

2.) :werd: somewhat....

I still remember that dumb fucker who was on the news stating that he'd never leave his home over some stupid storm.... When it finally hit, he was back on the phone with them screaming for help because he was stuck in his attic.... Not to mention SO many other people thought it was just going to be another "maybe and if" storm of the season....

Some people definately couldn't be helped out in time, and some might just not have had the means.... But I know a LOT of those fuckers stayed behind on a gamble, if not just to snatch and grab afterwards....

3.) Oh, he had a plan.... http://www.theforumlounge.com/showthread.php?t=4539

^dude, stfu. did you forget that:

[QUOTE=burnoutking999]1) federal relief was hindered by blancos inaction prior to storm arrival.
Blanco hindered the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
ummm...cnn and anderson cooper were there the day after crying, wondering where the government was...
wait a minute...are you defending FEMA???

2)the evac was manditory, those people cried about being left behind & "stranded" ... well they could have walked bummed whatever.. So your saying if your mother was disabled and at home with no one to help her and you don't have a car, money and the streets are vacant around you, your gonna leave? You have no oidea how many people had no other option but to stick it out and stick together with family.

You know most people don't get about this situation. They don't understand how many Americans are below the poverty level. They see numbers and stats but they don't make eye contact.

Sure it makes sense on paper, but walk around down there for a while. You will have no answers. When you see the parking lots full of flooded busses what answers will you have? when you get the compiled complaits from 10 nations who wanted to send help and had evac teams and supplies on the borders and were not allowed to help what answers will you have?
What's your excuse for the Superdome? No security, no food, no water.
(what happened to "provide for the general welfare"...its the first sentance.)
If you say your going to help someone and are recieving millions to do so. one man can't stop you.

You know damned well they were the people that said "no storm has ever made me leave... ill stay this time. that or they didnt sober in time. The reason they were mostly black at that point was because they were the ones expecting to be helped in the event. THEY GAMBLED AND LOST, THEY HAVE TO BLAME THEMSELVES..
You mean the 500-1,000 who said that was the reason why they stayed...
Everything is so simple huh white boy?

3)Nagin had no plan, he didnt offer ANY solution but to cry like a bitch on a radio show to rally ignorant blacks to his cause and protect HIS monumental neglect.HIS neglect(which in actually was post-tramatic stress disorder) is nothing compaired to the Neglect on the federal level. He failed, FEMA did'nt even try(until it was too late.)

From thread I linked to in my previous post:

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his/her emergency operations center.

Post-tramatic stress syndrome? WTF?

Doesn't sound like a very good candidate to put in charge of numerous lives, especially if he's just going to freak out at the start of a disaster and blame the results on others....

E


I don't think you are getting it. We (meaning productive america) do not give a flying fuck about a bunch of handout seeking niggars. Plain and simple. If I owned fucking vacant hotel on a mountain top in the middle of NOLA, I'd still be turniong those black bastards away with gun fire.

I don't think you are getting it. We (meaning productive america) do not give a flying fuck about a bunch of handout seeking niggars. Plain and simple. If I owned fucking vacant hotel on a mountain top in the middle of NOLA, I'd still be turniong those black bastards away with gun fire.

LOL

Well, that's a bit extreme.... Still pretty much sums up the truth, though....

America's finally hit "Katrina Fatigue", and we really just don't give a damn anymore about those people.... Aid was offered, and to be honest, people aren't obligated to replace everything 100%....

The federal government is not an insurance company, and though the aid that was recieved was definately sub-par compared to other efforts we've had in other years, there's not much you can do but shrug your sholders and say "them's the breaks"....

Yeah, it's a tragedy that can only fully be felt via personal experience or loss, but the world is hard-knock.... Nothing's promised to you, nor should you expect to be fully taken care of....

It is indeed a matter of Natural Selection at that point, compounded by poor leadership and half-stepped actions to prepare....

Even the stupid niggars who insured their homes against flood damage won't get their homes back. Most of the broke dick fools had deductibles of 25% of the value of their home. "Niggar, we'll cut you a check for your home when you pony up $25k."

it's funny how humans can adapt.

for example, change a simple letter to create "Niggar"

Well, for arguement's sake once again....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9170157/

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL111205insurance.5706f7b1.html

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2005/11/18/62191.htm

http://www.fema.gov/nfip/myth.shtm

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicalcommentary/a/rebuild_new_orl.htm

Sorry for all the links, but they all have info worth reading....


NEW ORLEANS -- Many of the thousands of homeowners in the Lower Ninth Ward, one of the hardest-hit areas in the city, lacked flood insurance because the neighborhood in theory was supposed to be relatively safe, local insurance agents and residents said.

Most of the area sits outside the "high-risk" flood districts designated on federal maps used for insurance, and so, unlike homeowners elsewhere in this low-lying city, most in the Lower Ninth Ward were not legally required by lenders to buy flood coverage.

[QUOTE=burnoutking999]^dude, stfu. did you forget that:


Blanco hindered the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
ummm...cnn and anderson cooper were there the day after crying, wondering where the government was...WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT ANDERSON COOPER!

wait a minute...are you defending FEMA???(yes, they were hindered in their efforts to go in because blanco refused to sign the paper work allowing that to happen. the federal govmt can not just up and go into a state like that immediately. she also dissapeared for two days while this effort was being made and was unavailable... doing what to help? nothing.)

So your saying if your mother was disabled and at home with no one to help her and you don't have a car, money and the streets are vacant around you, your gonna leave? (it wouldnt take me that long to realize that something was going on!)

You have no oidea how many people had no other option but to stick it out and stick together with family.(if my mother was disabled and i was stupid enough to live in a place like that and saw the news story in the paper at the stand cause i was to poor to afford a tv or radio i would walk her, bumm a ride, whatever it took to get out of the way of a cat 5 storm. preparedness and determination is the key and not ignorance and malaize)

You know most people don't get about this situation. They don't understand how many Americans are below the poverty level. They see numbers and stats but they don't make eye contact.(i get this situation fine. i saw the damage, i live in florida fucker, my whole life. kate took most of the roof off the house i was in when i was 6. it was a 1/2 storm! you going there does not add any credibility to this, nor does the fact that they were poor add to their case. casualyies are infortunat but it wasnt anyones fault this storm came or that it was this powerful. no one was prepared and to say it was on purpose because of a white man is ludicrous... especially when the man immediately in charge was black. oh, wait thats ok because he was under pressure. i forgot. the president has no pressure right. you dont think he knows hes fucked up and that it was bad?)

Sure it makes sense on paper, but walk around down there for a while. You will have no answers. When you see the parking lots full of flooded busses what answers will you have? when you get the compiled complaits from 10 nations who wanted to send help and had evac teams and supplies on the borders and were not allowed to help what answers will you have?(it was a bum deal no other way around it. however the white man is not responsible for the relief effort of poor black america that is too unfortunate to leave for whatever reason. it is everyone of usses responsibility.)

What's your excuse for the Superdome? No security,(they were run off) no food, no water.(it was looted/and run off)
(what happened to "provide for the general welfare"...its the first sentance.)
If you say your going to help someone and are recieving millions to do so. one man can't stop you.( yes but prisoners and dumb poor people can. if you want to blame anyone it should be the looters and the local police who did not do their jobs on the count of rain.)


You mean the 500-1,000 who said that was the reason why they stayed...
Everything is so simple huh white boy?(yes it is, why do you feel the need to make it a race issue, black boy)
HIS neglect(which in actually was post-tramatic stress disorder) is nothing compaired to the Neglect on the federal level. He failed, FEMA did'nt even try(until it was too late.) then he shouldnt have had the job, rudy did ok and more people died in one hour than in two weeks in this situation)

"WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT ANDERSON COOPER!"
He beat the feds there. How? They've got cars too.

"the federal govmt can not just up and go into a state like that immediately"
They've done it before. I'm not talking about immediatly, how about after 3 days or 4? What was the hold up? The federal government can do whatever they please, what is anyon egonna do about it? Complaints go in the complaints box(which is actually a trash can). And you are defending FEMA?
How? The president can't defend FEMA. They fucked up, and actually admitted it(sort of).

"kate took most of the roof off the house i was in when i was 6"
*plays the world smallest violin for those who lost "most of the roof off the house" Would you be the same person if you had lost 3 or 4 family members, the house youworked 40 years to pay of and the job you spent 30 years working your way up?

"it wasnt anyones fault this storm came or that it was this powerful"
Than can we blame someone who was hired but unqualifed? How many times are people not going to address this issue?

"the president has no pressure right?"
Nope, he has know one to hold him accountable.

"the white man is not responsible for the relief effort of poor black america that is too unfortunate to leave for whatever reason"
The white man? I'm blaming specific people and orginizations. They(FEMA) are responsible for the general welfare of Americans in emergency situations.
Its their job.

"yes but prisoners and dumb poor people can."
They were such a small percentage that that argument is'nt even being made anymore.

why do you feel the need to make it a race issue, black boy)
I though we were in smacktalk for a second.

then he shouldnt have had the job
Your talking about the head of FEMA right?

"WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT ANDERSON COOPER!"
He beat the feds there. How? They've got cars too.

"the federal govmt can not just up and go into a state like that immediately"
They've done it before. I'm not talking about immediatly, how about after 3 days or 4? What was the hold up? The federal government can do whatever they please, what is anyon egonna do about it? Complaints go in the complaints box(which is actually a trash can). And you are defending FEMA?
How? The president can't defend FEMA. They fucked up, and actually admitted it(sort of).

My point is that she refused the help that was offered preemtively and then realized her mistake too late.

"kate took most of the roof off the house i was in when i was 6"
*plays the world smallest violin for those who lost "most of the roof off the house" Would you be the same person if you had lost 3 or 4 family members, the house youworked 40 years to pay of and the job you spent 30 years working your way up?

Kate was only one storm that ive lived through. it was the earliest. the point was that i know what a small one can do. i live above sea level, sturdy home that my dad built with his own two hands and made it extra strong. i even laid brick at six. i own my own home now and have a big ass oak hanging over it. i carry enough insureance to cover the loss of my home and the two nearby that could be affected by my trees. If a cat 3-4-5 storm is on the way here i will go to my parents or panama city with my aunt, or to jacksonville with a freind. worst case i would get a hotel or someplace(in my car if i had too) to get out of harms way. all of this and I only make 21k a year right now. i culd live and support myself and my daughter/wife if i had too. Those people lived
1below sea level
2)known bad place for drinking murder and sex
3)ingnorant and poor with a the govornment will save me cause they owe me mentality.

fuckem, the way they acted was horrible. did you go to the dome? they were DEMANDING things and refusing what was not FIT for them. free food and clothes. get teh facts straight. this was not the poor and huccled masses but the dregs of society that got their bluff called!

"it wasnt anyones fault this storm came or that it was this powerful"
Than can we blame someone who was hired but unqualifed? How many times are people not going to address this issue?(yes we can blame the person you just described... Nagin and blanco)

"the president has no pressure right?"
Nope, he has know one to hold him accountable.(ok thats because you dont vote? he is accountable for every action and we are too. the govornment can only do so much. they are an insurance program more than a saving account. you dont just wake up one day and say ok its raining let me have my money. it doent work that way. sorry the world isnt perfect!

"the white man is not responsible for the relief effort of poor black america that is too unfortunate to leave for whatever reason"
The white man? I'm blaming specific people and orginizations. They(FEMA) are responsible for the general welfare of Americans in emergency situations.
Its their job.(wrong agian, fema is a backup for american releif not total solvency of disaters. we pay millions in tax dollars to the superfund in the same way. it cleans up spills and eco hazzards. it only accounts for a small percent of what is needed though because if we were to do everything right it would be too expensive. and as far as FEMA being the on to take the balme you are wrong alsoin the way that they are only a backup to the state and local moneys and resources that lack after they have exhausted all effort. i work daily with this and know what im talking about.)

"yes but prisoners and dumb poor people can."
They were such a small percentage that that argument is'nt even being made anymore.(they were the reason that supply convoys were held up in mississippi and waiting to go in whiole the police that didnt skip out were trying to find out the severity of the situation. dont bite the hand that feeds!!! it was very pertinant to this situation!

why do you feel the need to make it a race issue, black boy)
I though we were in smacktalk for a second.(yeah getting facts and ideas together before posting comes in handy doesnt it!)

then he shouldnt have had the job
Your talking about the head of FEMA right?(no acually i was reffering to nagin who sat on his ass and cried to the country to save face when he had advance warning and did nothing to prepare( or not enough).

Do either of you mother fuckers know how to quote text properly?

Do either of you mother fuckers know how to quote text properly?

Sure we do.:evillaugh

driving nuts reading it.......

*plays the world smallest violin for those who lost "most of the roof off the house" Would you be the same person if you had lost 3 or 4 family members, the house youworked 40 years to pay of and the job you spent 30 years working your way up?
I personally think its funny that people do all of that and expect some kind of assurance that it will be theirs for the rest of their lives.

Life is a bitch, thats all there is to it. I don't spend my money on all these motorsports toys I have and expect to get any of it back if I wreck. Oh, wait... thats different :rolleyes: since its a "high risk" investment. Kind of like building your home below sea level.

With no money?
#1. What plan?
#2. What plan?
Maybe not racism but class warfare yes. They knew one thing. All the help they could give would go to people who most likely could not pay them back for a long time, but when someone spends 50 years paying off a house and there job is gone too, you have to accept the reality that alot of older established citizens will have to start from scratch.

or, you can pick our governments strategy. Wait a week or so till as many people as possible die out and help those who can be helped with less aid...

...which is dirty....smart, but dirty. These guys( Ray Nagin a dumb nig**r and Gov. Blanco, FEMA on up) are too dirty for me.

In answer to New Orleans not having money.. Umm- they have money. They are (as a city/state) are supposed to have set aside funding for things like evacuations, emergency personnel etc.. A portion of this revenue comes from their general fund, a portion would be repaid or covered by the Federal Gov't after a state of emergency declaration is made by the Federal Gov't (which it was).

In answer to the claim they "had no plan". Oh yeah they did! They've had one in place for years. Mandatory and forced evacuations, stocked shelters, yadda-yadda. They fucked up the evacuations. They let buses sit idle. They failed to equip emergency shelters. Hell- they even failed to have a disaster recovery back-up for an entire police force! They camped out at the Wal-Mart shopping center parking lot for Christ's sake!

Now tell me how this is NOT a local and state issue? Is New Orleans a Federal City? Is the Federal Gov't supposed to be a full, endless boars tit for them?

Furthermore- how can it be asserted as class warfare when the elected officials of those very same people you claim were victimized failed them so miserably?

FEMA gets no shining star for their performance in this matter. They were slow to respond for sure, but we need to realize their expected vs. perceived role in the matter. Was FEMA responsible for not getting residents out before the storm? No. Were they responsible for adequately stocking and providing security for evacuation points? No. Were they responsible for letting buses sit idle while flood waters came in? No.

It's not class warfare. It's idiots in action, quite frankly.

In answer to New Orleans not having money.. Umm- they have money. They are (as a city/state) are supposed to have set aside funding for things like evacuations, emergency personnel etc.. A portion of this revenue comes from their general fund, a portion would be repaid or covered by the Federal Gov't after a state of emergency declaration is made by the Federal Gov't (which it was).

In answer to the claim they "had no plan". Oh yeah they did! They've had one in place for years. Mandatory and forced evacuations, stocked shelters, yadda-yadda. They fucked up the evacuations. They let buses sit idle. They failed to equip emergency shelters. Hell- they even failed to have a disaster recovery back-up for an entire police force! They camped out at the Wal-Mart shopping center parking lot for Christ's sake!

Now tell me how this is NOT a local and state issue? Is New Orleans a Federal City? Is the Federal Gov't supposed to be a full, endless boars tit for them?

Furthermore- how can it be asserted as class warfare when the elected officials of those very same people you claim were victimized failed them so miserably?

FEMA gets no shining star for their performance in this matter. They were slow to respond for sure, but we need to realize their expected vs. perceived role in the matter. Was FEMA responsible for not getting residents out before the storm? No. Were they responsible for adequately stocking and providing security for evacuation points? No. Were they responsible for letting buses sit idle while flood waters came in? No.

It's not class warfare. It's idiots in action, quite frankly.


THANK YOU

The LA state and local gov. failed most of which is black.

The LA state and local gov. failed most of which is black.

WTF does that have to do with anything? lol

WTF does that have to do with anything? lol


See thread title.

Katrina victims blame racism for slow aid

See thread title.

Katrina victims blame racism for slow aid

Oh yeah, almost forgot... My bad... :)

:owned:

Blanco is black? :dunno:

I think that's why he said "most of".... lol

In any case, people need to blame the locals for this fiasco for sure.... No more of this FEMA and Bush bullshit...

I think that's why he said "most of".... lol

In any case, people need to blame the locals for this fiasco for sure.... No more of this FEMA and Bush bullshit...

Well yeah I'm saying it has to start with the most local government and go up. Not start with Bush and go down and if you look at it that way from local up it's mostly black leaders.

The bottom line is everybody got caught with their pants down and you can blame this on everyone who has been in office for the last ten years. Because there has been allot of up keep let go. But evacuation and first responders should have all been local. It is against the law for the FEDS to go over the state on something like that.

But saying it was racism is "crazy talk".

THANK YOU

The LA state and local gov. failed most of which is black.

+1, the responsibility is not federal. nagin(g) was fist in line to get the blame and he did what he could to get out... play the race card and rally a bunch of cut off and helpless individuals into a cause that did not exsist. Except for the enormity of the NATURAL disaster, that is!